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Little more t boone...and water

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Sold some of his water rights in panhandle to canada for $103 million

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In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there.
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Morning.... Something else that wants to make you say HUMMM?

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Videos from last nights meeting



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The Advocates coverage

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Seems there were far fewer speakers present at this meeting than we're on hand last time.....
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New gap developing far from sinkhole? Officials appear focused on area in most of today’s hi-res images!

[link to enenews.com]

It seems that the sinkhole is starting to make its big push into the Butane caverns next...time to buckle up people. Looks like it could triple or more in size very soon! This ride is about to get very bumpy according to those pics!

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Here, dr - still reading every post! Thanks to all the posters for the analysis and commentary.

I wonder if there will be an advance 'trigger' warning that could make people pay attention and let us 'watchers' know that it is time to make a hasty retreat? That's up to Mother Earth I suppose, your thoughts?
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Here, dr - still reading every post! Thanks to all the posters for the analysis and commentary.

I wonder if there will be an advance 'trigger' warning that could make people pay attention and let us 'watchers' know that it is time to make a hasty retreat? That's up to Mother Earth I suppose, your thoughts?
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"trigger" for what? you people never say what the
disaster is that you people think is going to happen.
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Thanks Patassa
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I lurk, mostly because I am glad to keep up on watching all this unfold but don't have anything of substance to add currently.
As above, So below.
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this thread seems to be dying off
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Here, dr - still reading every post! Thanks to all the posters for the analysis and commentary.

I wonder if there will be an advance 'trigger' warning that could make people pay attention and let us 'watchers' know that it is time to make a hasty retreat? That's up to Mother Earth I suppose, your thoughts?
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"trigger" for what? you people never say what the
disaster is that you people think is going to happen.
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the "trigger" is ambiguous. it could have happened, or never will
the "for what" is equally so
we are not dealing with absolutes, only attempting to look at pieces of the whole
we are like the blind men and the elephant, none of us can define the elephant yet.
this could be a "slow destroy" event that will never blow up, never tidal wave anyplace, but just sink, and sink, and sink for years
maybe everyones perception on cayces map is wrong in that the change comes very slow and creeping
small eqs settle, repeat and rinse
added methane introduces more co2 and water in the water cycle which cause more flooding/rain

observation takes patience, to not go nuts while watching requires faith

remember, sometimes the truth does NOT set you free, it makes you go nuts...and i am as wacky as the best...lol

dr
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New gap developing far from sinkhole? Officials appear focused on area in most of today’s hi-res images!

[link to enenews.com]

It seems that the sinkhole is starting to make its big push into the Butane caverns next...time to buckle up people. Looks like it could triple or more in size very soon! This ride is about to get very bumpy according to those pics!

hiding
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I know y'all don't want to hear this, but enenews, has it wrong, as is usual.

That is not a gap, but a ditch, or "slew", as we call them, that has always been there, but not so obvious with foliage from trees and duckweed being abundant. As the trees shed, and the duckweed is dispersed and dies, it is more obvious.

The flicker pics from Aug 25, and Sept 13th clearly show it. You can look through these pics and see not only that one, but others that form a drainage system. I just can't figure out why people so badly want only to think the worst about all of this, like it's not already bad enough.

Also, the butane tank is far on the other side of Texas Brine, and you can clearly see that "gap" makes a turn and starts heading for the road, and not past Texas Brines area, or road.

Aug 25

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sep 13

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sep 13 shows slew around BC with and without duckweed

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Thanks, Patassa, balanced and reasonable.
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Thanks, Patassa, balanced and reasonable.
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You're welcome. What's particularly interesting in these photos, is they show what I have said before....that ALL of that area is water. Swamp. You can see in the first photo where the sun hits the ground in the bottomleft....the reflection of water, as well as several lighter spots. All of that light green is simply a floating vegitation called duckweed. Sometimes it's marsh grass. But bottomline, is it's all water throughout the area. Even the so called grassy road, (pipeline corridor) which also has always shown water from day one.

The sinkhole is indeed expanding, and was predicted last night to expand to possibly 1500 feet, but in a westerly direction, which is toward the community, and not the butane tanks, although of course, it's only a prediction, and Dr Hecox admits this is all an unprecedented occurence. Now, THAT is what is scary.
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this thread seems to be dying off
interesting to see who's left
role call?...lol

dr
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Here, dr - still reading every post! Thanks to all the posters for the analysis and commentary.

I wonder if there will be an advance 'trigger' warning that could make people pay attention and let us 'watchers' know that it is time to make a hasty retreat? That's up to Mother Earth I suppose, your thoughts?
 Quoting: Tropicalgirl


"trigger" for what? you people never say what the
disaster is that you people think is going to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25958921


the "trigger" is ambiguous. it could have happened, or never will
the "for what" is equally so
we are not dealing with absolutes, only attempting to look at pieces of the whole
we are like the blind men and the elephant, none of us can define the elephant yet.
this could be a "slow destroy" event that will never blow up, never tidal wave anyplace, but just sink, and sink, and sink for years
maybe everyones perception on cayces map is wrong in that the change comes very slow and creeping
small eqs settle, repeat and rinse
added methane introduces more co2 and water in the water cycle which cause more flooding/rain

observation takes patience, to not go nuts while watching requires faith

remember, sometimes the truth does NOT set you free, it makes you go nuts...and i am as wacky as the best...lol

dr
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well, all you little morons keep wondering why your thread
is dying out -- maybe it's because what you have just
said sounds very very lame.
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the "trigger" is ambiguous. it could have happened, or never will
the "for what" is equally so
we are not dealing with absolutes, only attempting to look at pieces of the whole
we are like the blind men and the elephant, none of us can define the elephant yet.
this could be a "slow destroy" event that will never blow up, never tidal wave anyplace, but just sink, and sink, and sink for years
maybe everyones perception on cayces map is wrong in that the change comes very slow and creeping
small eqs settle, repeat and rinse
added methane introduces more co2 and water in the water cycle which cause more flooding/rain

observation takes patience, to not go nuts while watching requires faith

remember, sometimes the truth does NOT set you free, it makes you go nuts...and i am as wacky as the best...lol

dr


All conjecture on my part, of course:

The "trigger" was the breach of the fault line

The "for what" possibly depopulation/control of the coastal areas by the "elephant"

The "Elephant" is the government and all their cronies.

Can it be stopped - probably not.

Is the sinkhole relevant?....absolutely! Many many scenarios in the past have been ignored...the sinkhole is the first one that has garnered any amount of information. We can't make it go away.

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What are the residents objective at this point? Do they just continue attending thes meetings every few weeks for the next few years?
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Lurking and reading every day.

Patassa - some questions for clarification:

THe pipeline right-of-way that is covered in duckweed - does it normally become less covered in green every winter, along with the other areas of swampland? In other words, is more water exposed during the winter than the summer? Are there any photos to substantiate this?

How deep would you estimate the water in the swamp and righ-of-way to be? I realize that the cypress trees grow in water, but isn't there a depth that is too deep for the trees to grow?

Just trying to get a true picture of what the area would be like naturally without the sinkhole.

Thanks.

And TeamReaper, thanks for all the research you have done. You have found and linked some unbelievable info for all of us to read.
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Disclaimer: I do not subscribe to any of the religious views nor do I intend to bring it to this thread however there is good intel here concerning cavern formation and Corexit/Synthia. Early2it was one of the first to report on this developing disaster in 2010, I keep up w/ his updates, among others.

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Great quake watch update by this gentleman, another highly recommended source:



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Forgot to sign back in....

once again, more mere vagueness. "trigger the fault line"?

what fault line? the New Madrid? this is the New Madrid fault zone: [link to upload.wikimedia.org]
and it's long long ways from Bayou Corne La.

and if you are referring to the flooding of the entire
Mississippi River Basin based on this kakamaimie scenario b.s.: [link to www.sott.net]
well then there is no hope for you.

so, once again, where's the beef?



Yes, the new Madrid fault and yes it is a "long" way from Bayou Corne....and, I'm not going to argue with you over my opinion.

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there are only 2 Big Problems that i see in all of this:

#1 is all of the natural gas that is percolating out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish.

#2 is that the "sinkhole" is strong evidence that the
roof of the Texas Brine Cavern is collapsing, and
if the Texas Brine Cavern collapses then that event
may trigger the collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome Complex.


and, that is all.
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Still here.
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blue bayou is in baton rouge (don't know if that has a connection) rice is fed to our crawfish on crawfish farmland and our swamp trees don't lose leaves nor do they look bare until mid december through feburary...those trees look like winter done passed on them. I was born and raised in the swamplands, that's not normal folks! 30 years in the swamp to be exact.... hope this sheds some light
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there are only 2 Big Problems that i see in all of this:

#1 is all of the natural gas that is percolating out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish.

#2 is that the "sinkhole" is strong evidence that the
roof of the Texas Brine Cavern is collapsing, and
if the Texas Brine Cavern collapses then that event
may trigger the collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome Complex.


and, that is all.
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and, the possible collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome would only mean the end of the Bayou Corne community.

whereas the natural gas (methane) percolating out of the
ground in Assumption Parish is a real threat that all of
Assumption Parish could be made completely uninhabitable because of it.
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blue bayou is in baton rouge (don't know if that has a connection) rice is fed to our crawfish on crawfish farmland and our swamp trees don't lose leaves nor do they look bare until mid december through feburary...those trees look like winter done passed on them. I was born and raised in the swamplands, that's not normal folks! 30 years in the swamp to be exact.... hope this sheds some light
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Thank you very much AC, your input is very valuable indeed!
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blue bayou is in baton rouge (don't know if that has a connection) rice is fed to our crawfish on crawfish farmland and our swamp trees don't lose leaves nor do they look bare until mid december through feburary...those trees look like winter done passed on them. I was born and raised in the swamplands, that's not normal folks! 30 years in the swamp to be exact.... hope this sheds some light
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Thank you very much AC, your input is very valuable indeed!
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yup. there is definitely petroleum and natural gas that
is percolating out of the ground in the area around Bayou Corne (which is causing stuff to die).

so, what else?
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there are only 2 Big Problems that i see in all of this:

#1 is all of the natural gas that is percolating out of the
ground all around Assumption Parish.

#2 is that the "sinkhole" is strong evidence that the
roof of the Texas Brine Cavern is collapsing, and
if the Texas Brine Cavern collapses then that event
may trigger the collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome Complex.


and, that is all.
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and, the possible collapse of the entire 1 mile by 3 mile Napoleonville Salt Dome would only mean the end of the Bayou Corne community.



whereas the natural gas (methane) percolating out of the
ground in Assumption Parish is a real threat that all of
Assumption Parish could be made completely uninhabitable because of it.
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Yes, but the sink hole break is 5000 ft. down and doesn't it border the gulf? It seems the ocean would rush into this land area and flood it?

I mean the salt dome breech....borders the Gulf of Mexico...

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