Don't make ASSUMPTIONS; try to Understand.

Hey Granny-

Not sure if I can answer all your questions to your satisfation but I'll try.

The swamp flucuates it's water levels like any other body of water. Deeper with lots of rain, and down to pure muddy soggy grass covered earth with drought. Our crawfish seasons length strictly depends on lots of water or the fishermen can't get their boats very far in to the swamps. As water recedes, so do crawfish.

The vegitation is there all the time, yes, though less abundant in the winter months, and certainly not as green and lush. Cypress trees are generally found in 1-2 feet or less of water. You never see cypress trees growing in the middle of bayous for a reason.

I would say the average depth of the swamp around the sinkhole is maybe a foot where there are trees, and possibly 2 feet in the open areas.

Duckweed, though having many benefits, is considered a nuisance to fisherman because it has roots that band together to form matts, and can clog an entire bayou in a week. I can't tell you how many dogs I have had go off the pier in my lifetime because they thought they were jumping on to grass/solid ground. It's not necessarily always duckweed in the swamp at all times. There is other vegetation. But in the bayous, it is strictly a seasonal thing, summer months.

The gap/crack in the earth thing enenews is spouting is a serious mistake to put in print, and a direct conflict of water the Shaw geologist is saying regarding expansion of the sinkhole. What makes enenews the expert over this guy? Why don't they give their source?

If you look through the pics on flicker, you can see all these little light green lines or rows all over the place. That is water with a thin layer of vegetation on it. Clear the vegetation away as easy as with a leaf blower (I've done it) and it takes on a whole new appearance.

The link is a wonderful 28 pic slide show of Louisiana swamp scenes through all seasons, clearly showing the vegetation, and the dying looking trees in the winter and how they change colors in the fall before getting to that point. In this slide show is photos of Lake Martin, a couple hours from here. Pay attention to each pics caption and time of year. Compare those trees to the trees around the sinkhole and off in the distance. I think it would go without saying that any tree that stays in a foot of oil for any period of time will die, but that doesn't account for all the rest blocks and miles away seen in the flicker pics and videos.


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I call it the truth! Nice overall summary Sin! Those that see it know there are more things you could have added, but I'm glad you didn't. That's plenty for them to think about and start researching to verify for now. Nice job!

You're very welcome Granny, truly my pleasure :) :Hugging:

They'll sink THEMSELVES if they even touch it now.

Thank you, I'm not sure right is good but thanks none the less SkinnyC :)

Question, what was/is the surface elevation of lake Peigneur, vs the surface level of bayou corne?

lake Peigneur 3 ft.

Bayou Corne is 7 ft.

I posted this on my sinkhole thread and thought you all would like to see it. Methane is becoming a major problem everywhere.

Last Edited by Earth Cries on 10/24/2012 09:38 PM

Thank you, Patassa! You answered all my questions very well. And I really enjoyed the slide show. Been a while since I've personally been in that country, but I loved it while I was there!

I really hope this crisis doesn't get as bad as I fear it could! All of you who call that area home are in my prayers.

www.fastcompany.com

BP's Cofferdam Container Failed, How Will They Stop the Gulf Oil Spill Now?


"BP's most promising idea was its Cofferdam Operation, a 98-ton steel and concrete containment chamber lowered on top of the damaged pipe that connected the drilling rig to the oil well. The chamber took two weeks to build. In theory, the 40-foot-tall chamber was supposed to capture oil and allow it to flow through a pipe to a barge on the surface. But the Gulf Oil Disaster Recovery Group reported on Saturday that the operation failed--ice crystals formed inside the container, clogging the pipe that was supposed to bring oil to the barge."

The last report I saw on the latest oil sheen in the GoM said it was nearly 20 miles long?? And it's supposed to be from oil leaking from the cofferdam?? Am I the only one who finds that hard to believe???

Last Edited by justanothergranny on 10/24/2012 09:51 PM

No Granny you're not...that story is total BS. There's nothing they can do, they've never been in this situation before. The only chance they had was nuking it early on. That's said w/ regard to them actually trying, I don't believe they ever tried. hint hint

Remember last week when that article came out and Sen Markey and others were insisting that BP send the rovers back down with the underwater cams? Haven't heard a thing since them. Guess BP does what it wants as usual. They do not want the world to see just how bad the sea bed is messed up there.

Here they admit to "changes in the Gulf Stream..." ....seems a rare admission from a msm article:

"Another unknown is what caused the Gulf Stream changes, said Phrampus, an earth sciences PhD candidate at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas."

www.nola.com/business
10/18/12


BP says recent oil sheen in Gulf likely came from discarded equipment


"BP, in a statement announcing its findings, confirmed that oil was not leaking from the Macondo well or from the relief well that eventually sealed it.

The British oil giant spent three days this week using a remotely-controlled underwater vehicle to inspect the Gulf bottom and the wellhead area at the site, near Mississippi Canyon block 252, about 50 miles off the Louisiana coast, including the drilling riser that had connected the rig to the sea floor.


The inspection showed "small, intermittent drops of oil" leaking from an opening at the top and the side of the cofferdam. Samples of the droplets were collected to be analyzed as a potential match with the sheen.

The underwater inspection was BP's third since the well was permanently sealed in September 2010, five months after the Deepwater Horizon exploded, killing 11 rig workers and causing one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history."

Thanks very much dr, TR and Marsute, I appreciate your insights and opinions.

Well, I posted this on another thread and figured it would fit this quote

This is happening all over especially
Areas the gas companies are fracking

This is not good and a methane explosion can happen just about any where in the world.


Methane Making An Appearance In Pa. Water Supplies
This was from August 28, 2012 in Pennsylvania
Snip
A neighbor in Leroy Township, Pa., called Mike and told him to check the water well located just outside his front door.

"I said, 'I'll be down in 15 minutes.' I wanted to see the race," Leighton said. But as the horses were racing, Leighton's well was overflowing. Typically, there's between 80 to 100 feet of head space between the top of the well and its water supply. But when Leighton went outside, the water was bubbling over the top.

More on link
[link to www.npr.org]

Methane gas mixed with water generally turns red
but when certain metals are present it could turn black.
I think? Grin

Folks . . . this is telling.

Watch carefully for shills.

Whoops. Hightlighted link for above quote. Sorry

[link to www.npr.org]

This stupid thread is still going

Makes me think of Red Rain In India earlier this year was full of methane?

1 Min. video
[link to www.youtube.com]

Some interesting thoughts about BP and GOM here:
Thread: Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine (Page 1384)

interesting
I'd like to see his bouy data

dr

Is it time to TRY a mass email campaign to the Government officials of Louisiana? Governor, Lt. GOv. Reps., Senators?
Demanding answers and a plan of action.
I am thinking residents of LA would be the best to do this, as their status as residents would give them standing. But maybe a flood from across the US would be good too.
There must be something pro active that we can do.

ummm...incorrect
the volumn of area for water opened up would cause water to flow into the bayou. for the record, the salt formation is 10,000 feet deep.

have ya ever been to louisiana? the swamp rums ~150 miles and ends at the gulf
20 foot elevation is nill when the ground is so saturated as it is down there
angle of repose would allow the matterial to slough to an incredably flat angle

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

wet clay, and sand are 15 degrees
so go to a point 10,000 feet down, and come back at a 15 degree angle back to the surface, much larger than the simpleton 1 x 3 mile answer

learn some science

dr

as will I (for grandkids, too ...ok, yea I'm old...
which makes me twice as dangerous)

dr

Been reading the new posts every day, thanks.

Me too, and a lot of others I'm sure.

remember when the flow of water out of the gulf stopped
then mid atlantic basicly stopped

I am wondering

is that the point when water flow stated to move inland
either underwater into caverns or slowly supersaturating the coastlines?

fla record sinkholes could also coincide
wonder if cuba and the carib are seeing "geological stability" problems

or possibly the gulf floor slowly sinking could also give more free volumn to the gulf

raising sea bed would do the opposite, I'd think, we'd see the gulf stream increase as land displaces the water.

musings and things to ponder while doing some automotive work in the shop
(72 vw bug gets new wiring today)

guess I should be working on my military fire truck though, for evac purposes...lol

see ya'll later

dr

Thank you to you both

Both the Caribbean and Coccus Plates have been highly active since the disaster happened, think Haiti and to answer your second query most of the ocean basins are sinking due to Post Glacial Rebound.

You'll also notice a rise in the seafloor around the equator, this is due to earths rotation slowing by 24 seconds over the last 40yrs. Think of an ice skater spinning, as she slows her arms drop to her torso (middle/equator) and spread outwards from the centrifugal force, same idea here, she's expanded by 27 miles.