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If the Moon landing was real: How the hell did they take off FROM the moon?

 
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Just because you're not smart enough to wrap your tiny brain around it doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

No one said it was easy but it was quite doable, all the problems were solved, and we got it done.
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Yes, im no rocket scientist.

But it took hundreds of men with 1000's of lb's of fuel to get off the earth... and centuries of trial and error...

yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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You're correct. Reality would dictate that they would explode and crash a few times before the technique had all the bugs worked out. Unless they faked it all, like beyonce lip syncing at the inauguration.
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Like armstrong winning all those bicycle races. Anybody with a brain knew he was using drugs.
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Fake is fake. Like the presidential elections always being so close when you know damn well they weren't.
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Time for somebody to send up a gigapixel camera instead of that Kodak Instamatic Japan sent up recently.

Which brings up, why didn't any film get ruined by radiation?
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That's a good question. Another good question, a related one, is how did they build cameras and make film, in 1969, to withstand the average daily temperatures on the moon (225 degrees Fahrenheit in the sun and -243 degrees Fahrenheit without direct sunlight). Also, how did the astronauts aim the cameras (which were mounted on their chests, so they had no way to look through a viewfinder to frame their shots) with such amazing accuracy, and focus them so precisely, to give us the perfect pictures they "brought back from the moon"? Good questions, all.
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Just because you're not smart enough to wrap your tiny brain around it doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

No one said it was easy but it was quite doable, all the problems were solved, and we got it done.
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Yes, im no rocket scientist.

But it took hundreds of men with 1000's of lb's of fuel to get off the earth... and centuries of trial and error...

yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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i am no scientist but i would think that less gravity = easier to get up.....
..why don't you take a seat over there
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Just because you're not smart enough to wrap your tiny brain around it doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

No one said it was easy but it was quite doable, all the problems were solved, and we got it done.
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Yes, im no rocket scientist.

But it took hundreds of men with 1000's of lb's of fuel to get off the earth... and centuries of trial and error...

yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580


You're correct. Reality would dictate that they would explode and crash a few times before the technique had all the bugs worked out. Unless they faked it all, like beyonce lip syncing at the inauguration.
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Agreed. I find it laughable that we're expected to believe that they never had one mishap when they supposedly landed on and then took off from the moon, with technology they could never have previously tested in that environment. Look at all the fuck ups NASA had just when testing the simplest of rockets leading up to the successful launches. But we're expected to believe they pulled off multiple moon landings perfectly not only the first time, but EVERY time? Bullshit.
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You don't even know the first thing about the subject.
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i know that in 1969 the only computers they had were
a couple-a-hundred single transistors silk-screened
onto a 4x4 inch fiberglass board, that didn't even work.
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The CPU's sent up with Curiosity are loosely the equivalent of stuff you were using in '96. In space, the latest and greatest isn't always the best suited for the job.

It isn't the size of your processor, it's how you use it.
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two great American technological fiascos:

1. the bozos that ground the mirror for the Hubble Space Telescope ground it to the wrong specs and didn't bother
to test it, and the mirror was no good when they launched it. (any highschool physics kid knows how to grind a telescope mirror)

2. the great "Patriot anti-missile defense system" that
we gave to Israel in 1990 couldn't shoot down any of
Sadam's Scud missiles because the bozos who made the
internal clock for the computer system screwed it up
and the clock was off by 1 microsecond (which was equivalent
to an 800 meter inaccuracy at target).
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#1, yeah you are spot on.

#2, you are completely wrong. The Patriot system was originally designed to shoot down long range high altitude strategic bombers. When Gulf War I hit, the software guys were able to quickly modify the "brains" to be able to shoot at intermediate range ballistic missiles. It didn't do a bad job considering it was doing a job it wasn't designed for.
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We are sending robots to mars and people still don't think we could have sent people to the moon?
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WHY HAVENT WE gone back then? its over 40 years old technology, the costs in the times would/should be MICROCOSM of what it was... hell, we should have cities up there....

i call bullshit on the moon landing. We would have gone back; yet most modern space operations have been ORBITING, and shuttes... the rea tech. 'man on the moon' is a soviet directed gov psy op.
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We did not go
OP is correct
Van Allen belts is all you need to know
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You mean the fact that they went AROUND the majority of them through the thinner outer edges? Yeah, that is all you really need to know.
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Just because you're not smart enough to wrap your tiny brain around it doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

No one said it was easy but it was quite doable, all the problems were solved, and we got it done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22631821


Yes, im no rocket scientist.

But it took hundreds of men with 1000's of lb's of fuel to get off the earth... and centuries of trial and error...

yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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The moon does not have an atmosphere buddy.
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Just because you're not smart enough to wrap your tiny brain around it doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

No one said it was easy but it was quite doable, all the problems were solved, and we got it done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22631821


Yes, im no rocket scientist.

But it took hundreds of men with 1000's of lb's of fuel to get off the earth... and centuries of trial and error...

yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580


You're correct. Reality would dictate that they would explode and crash a few times before the technique had all the bugs worked out. Unless they faked it all, like beyonce lip syncing at the inauguration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2010868


Agreed. I find it laughable that we're expected to believe that they never had one mishap when they supposedly landed on and then took off from the moon, with technology they could never have previously tested in that environment. Look at all the fuck ups NASA had just when testing the simplest of rockets leading up to the successful launches. But we're expected to believe they pulled off multiple moon landings perfectly not only the first time, but EVERY time? Bullshit.
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Argument from incredulity.

Just because YOU can't figure it out, doesn't mean nobody else could. Reality is not determined by your lack of comprehension.
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Time for somebody to send up a gigapixel camera instead of that Kodak Instamatic Japan sent up recently.
 Quoting: MHz

You're betraying your hoaxie obsession with pictures.
Also your utter ignorance of remote imaging.

KAGUYA provided proof positive that the observations reported (i.e. the photographs) by Apollo 15 match the 3D topography of the landing site.
Information the conspirators could not have had without having been there.

Which brings up, why didn't any film get ruined by radiation?
 Quoting: MHz

They kept the film in metal boxes, so why in your opinion as a radiation-expert-on-the-internet would they?
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You're correct. Reality would dictate that they would explode and crash a few times before the technique had all the bugs worked out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2010868

What reality would that be?
The one you just invented?
Do you now anything about engineering?
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Let's all perform a little intellectual exercise, [..]
 Quoting: Argentinian Coward 33173009

As usual that whole diatribe did not contain a SINGLE FACT.

Your daydream of the "defenders" clinging to a faith is pure projection.

If these threads demonstrate anything it is that the Apollo Nutters know what they are talking about, they have more than a clue, while the hoaxies are utterly ignorant of space travel and the related disciplines.

It is the hoaxies who mindlessly, unthinkingly, credulously, sheepishly accepted an "official" dogma, the anti-establishment dogma shilled by crackpot youtubers and garishly coloured websites.
They did do no work on independent research or logical analysis, the only thing hoaxies ever put work in is denial.
Their believe is not based on facts and evidence, they believe it because they want to, it nicely fits their world-view.
Sheeple in the Cult of Unreason, brain-dead followers of the Church of Denial.
Sheeple of a different colour, but sheeple none the less.

As long as you lot are this confused and bewildered TPTB have nothing to fear from you, you have effectively marginalised yourselves.
Accusing the EvilGubment(tm) of the one thing they demonstrably did not do, nullifies any other claims you make.
This is why IF there's anybody on the internet paid to talk about the hoax they'd be hoax promoters.

The Apollo Nutters on the other hand are all different.
The only thing they have in common is an enthusiasm for space and a love of science and learning.
And an understanding that everybody is entitled their own opinions but not their own facts.
We've got atheists and Born-Againers, Republicans and greenies, rebels and conservatives, recovered woowoos and hard-boiled rationalists.
The reason we all tell the same story is because the facts don't change, the laws of physics don't change, history doesn't change.

The opinion that Apollo is historical is based on vast amounts of evidence, the opinion that it was hoaxed is based on gut feelings and disinfo.
And THAT is why after nearly 40 years hoaxism is a dying horse Conspiracy Theory, and THAT is why hoaxies always end up looking like fools in these threads.
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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. — Thomas Jefferson

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You're correct. Reality would dictate that they would explode and crash a few times before the technique had all the bugs worked out. Unless they faked it all, like beyonce lip syncing at the inauguration.
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You didn't do ANY research, did you?

And, yes...we blew up our fair share of rockets on the pad. All you have to do is read a little history.
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Time for somebody to send up a gigapixel camera instead of that Kodak Instamatic Japan sent up recently.

Which brings up, why didn't any film get ruined by radiation?
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That's a good question. Another good question, a related one, is how did they build cameras and make film, in 1969, to withstand the average daily temperatures on the moon (225 degrees Fahrenheit in the sun and -243 degrees Fahrenheit without direct sunlight). Also, how did the astronauts aim the cameras (which were mounted on their chests, so they had no way to look through a viewfinder to frame their shots) with such amazing accuracy, and focus them so precisely, to give us the perfect pictures they "brought back from the moon"? Good questions, all.
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How did they make an astronaut who could withstand these imaginary conditions of yours?

Idiot. What is this obsession with film, when a fragile human body is holding the camera?

You really don't know much about science, do you?
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Agreed. I find it laughable that we're expected to believe that they never had one mishap when they supposedly landed on and then took off from the moon,
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A lie. There were numerous well-documented mishaps along the Apollo missions up to and including Apollo 11, and quite a few before that during Gemini, Atlas, etc.

with technology they could never have previously tested in that environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33173009


Another lie. You think we can't make a vacuum on Earth? Not only that, all of the spacecraft, essential components, and critical operations were performed IN SPACE, prior to Apollo 11.

Look at all the fuck ups NASA had just when testing the simplest of rockets leading up to the successful launches.
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Reversed yourself there. First it was suspicious there were no failures, then it was suspicious there were failures? Have you ever worked around any kind of engineering in your life? Do you even know what a test flight is?

But we're expected to believe they pulled off multiple moon landings perfectly not only the first time, but EVERY time? Bullshit.
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And yet another lie. Ever hear of Apollo 13?

And only someone who had never done the slightest research on the program would describe Apollo 11 as being "flawless."
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who the heck was operating this camera?

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who the heck was operating this camera?

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Why don't you know?

Doesn't it tell you something that you have literally no idea?
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No, like so many on this thread, it just proves you know nothing of what you speak.

1. The mass of the Saturn 5 from Earth is no where NEAR the mass of the LEM.

2. The LEM did NOT use the same technology as the S5, it was a pure chemical reactionary motor.

3. You do not know your head from your butt and need to go back to HS to figure out basic chemistry and physics.

You all FAIL, on so many levels, that it hurts to even type this, much less type it again. Done.

Losers.


My head is also beginning to hurt from the above ignorance. The guy above is 100% correct in his statement with points: 1,2,3! OP is just simpy simpleton from simpletown......Looser, climb back under your rock!

I think GLP should stop wasting server space for this stupid crap coming from OP.

LETS LOOK AT SOME FACTS:
What I think you should do is the following:
1. You need to read a book or two or "one word at a time" take few math and science classes not advanced just HS level.
2. The LEM used chemical rockets (Hydrazine "burns w/o O2") to escape from the moon in a ZERO O2 space enviroment.

How to calculate the speed/thrust of Saturn V and LEM:

Speed it takes to escape EARTHS gravity (17,500 mph)
Speed it takes to escape MOONS gravity (2,917 mph)
Note, the moon is 1/6 the gravitational pull or Earth.

SATURN V: Total weight with, LEM, fuel 6.1 million lbs
THRUST PRODUCED 1st STAGE *"only": 7.5 million lbs per sec
THRUST PER LB BASED ESCAPE EARTH: 1.229 lb per second
THRUST PER LB BASED ESCAPE MOON: .2049 lb per second
Note, the moon is 1/6 the gravitational pull or Earth.

* Based on power from 1st stage only...this will give you the idea!

To prove you and your "wild assumption" worng I am positive that you can see that by doing the math above. Things needed design a rocket that burns on earth/space and achives needed thrust/speed we are good to go.

PS: I was a mathematics specialist for Boeing




I wish I could have said it better, but no need.

I'm pretty sick of this shit too.

Somebody PLEASE ban this dildo...
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More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that.
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Yes. They say because they weren't in the Van Allen belt long enough it was ok. That is false. Even twenty minutes is enough for fatal dose .
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More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that.
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Yes. They say because they weren't in the Van Allen belt long enough it was ok. That is false. Even twenty minutes is enough for fatal dose .
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Bare assertion fallacy.

Simple fact is that that NOBODY who has any data on the VABs, and that includes the private satellite industry which has a hundred billion worth of assets orbiting right smack in the middle of it, agrees with that.
It's a claim made out of whole cloth, not based on any facts.

And only a moran would suggest using lead to shield against charged particle radiation.
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yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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How is this thread still alive? All day? Really?
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More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that.
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Yes. They say because they weren't in the Van Allen belt long enough it was ok. That is false. Even twenty minutes is enough for fatal dose .
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Afraid not.

If you look at the standard model, and assume a completely unshielded human being (who would be dead in under a minute from being in vacuum, and dead in hours from being in direct sunlight, but anyhow!)

Well, using the flux for a quiet or average sun, you end up with ld 50/50 being on the order of several hours.

Don't believe me? Do the math yourself. Radiation dosage is a non-trivial problem but the simplification of whole-body dose helps a lot. Unfortunately, the energy maps exponentially versus the flux; the majority of, say, electrons in the outer belt are in the low MeV range (.1 to 10 MeV).

At those energies, penetration depth for ordinary human skin is in milimeters; measured depth for a 6 Mev electron beam in doped water is 25mm. So if you were naked, you'd get a good case of skin cancer (to go with the severe sunburn from hard UV from the Sun). But to the best of my knowledge, no astronaut has yet performed a space walk naked.





Search for AP8min (that's the older model, but easy to use) as a starting point for your analysis.
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who the heck was operating this camera?

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Ed Fendell, remotely, from Mission Control where he controlled the same camera throughout the EVAs.
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More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that.
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Yes. They say because they weren't in the Van Allen belt long enough it was ok. That is false. Even twenty minutes is enough for fatal dose .
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Prove it. Show the dose they should have had. Quantify your assertion using their trajectory and actual numbers. I'll bet you can't.
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Apollo 1 through 14. Yeah, it's long. But if you have the time to be entertained and informed its worth the read.

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who the heck was operating this camera?

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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!!!!!! It's the freakin camera crew in the studio. It is so simple no ever notices this...wow!scream:
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!!!!!! It's the freakin camera crew in the studio. It is so simple no ever notices this...wow!scream:
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"Simple" is a good word.

You might want to ask where the "simple" is, though, and who is being "simple."

And, maybe, if you had any ability at self-reflection, you might draw a conclusion from that finding.
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Apollo 1 through 14. Yeah, it's long. But if you have the time to be entertained and informed its worth the read.

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Still shilling your pathetic site, eh, Dave?

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