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If the Moon landing was real: How the hell did they take off FROM the moon?

 
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they went into lunar orbit to join up with the CSM
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Now, that's interesting.

Joining up with an orbiting body (what was orbiting velocity and trajectory?), with no navigational equipment worth mentioning? That's quite a feat on this side of possible, but deep within the zone of improbable.

Those "lunar modules" were, more or less, just sealed cans of packed human meat, far from interplanetary spaceships that people usually imagine them to be.

How about this conspiracy theory then? They did go to the Moon, but they never landed there. It was all a show for the Soviets.
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are you saying that it's a conspiracy against the conspiracy, or what?

i'm getting confused, now...
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quite unbelievable how many here believe the most bizarre things and at the same time doubt this.

wtf
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ahahahahahah!!

wait, you believe them to land at moon?

ahahahhahah!!!

now that is funny.

let me know next time you see santa claus and nibiiiirruuu.
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quite unbelievable how many here believe the most bizarre things and at the same time doubt this.

wtf
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ahahahahahah!!

wait, you believe them to land at moon?

ahahahhahah!!!

now that is funny.

let me know next time you see santa claus and nibiiiirruuu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22399618


Yes, America really was THAT FUCKING AWESOME even way back in 1969.

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They weren't launching a Saturn V from the lunar surface, they were launching the ascent stage of the LM. And they didn't gave to excape the lunar graviry, they went into lunar orbit to join up with the CSM. Crew and lunar samples transferred to the CM, the LM ascent stage was jettisoned, and they then fired the CSM's SPS engine to head back to Earth.

If you're going to cry "fake", the least you could do is get the story straight. Research is your friend.
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your still need a shit-load of fuel to get that high up, moron.
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How hight up? In a vaccuum, there's no areodynamic drag to deal with, just 1/6g. And the CSM they were joining with was orbiting at about 60 miles up. It didn't take a lot of fuel to get up there, compared to launching into Earth orbit.
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can you say "shill"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247


Lets do the analysis:

Weight: 10,300 lbs
Thrust: 3,500 lbs
APS specific impulse: 311 sec
APS propellant mass: 5,187 pounds
Gravity moon: 1.624 m/s²
CSM speed = 3649.3 mph

Orbit assumed to be 100 km (numbers from 100km to 160km are listed and CSM could come to within 20 km of the moon)

Simple test is V = AT

Given the starting acceleration of 1G, the time is around 170 seconds.

The fuel consumption of 11.3 lb/s. 11.3*170 = 1921 lbs.

So they had more fuel than they needed - 2.5 times as much. Some of this was used to correct the orbit etc. etc. This is one reason Apollo 13 fared so well, they had fuel to burn.
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quite unbelievable how many here believe the most bizarre things and at the same time doubt this.

wtf
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ahahahahahah!!

wait, you believe them to land at moon?

ahahahhahah!!!

now that is funny.

let me know next time you see santa claus and nibiiiirruuu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22399618


Yes, America really was THAT FUCKING AWESOME even way back in 1969.

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Deal with it.
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So if we were that awesome back in the 60's, why have we not returned?

It amazes me how people believe they were able to broadcast clear, uninterrupted live footage all the way from the moon back to earth, when we could hardly get a clear live feed from the middle east without disruption, especially in the 60's.
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[link to www.skymania.com]

Scientists are worried about meteorites hitting the moon.


[link to www.nasa.gov]

"Every day, more than a metric ton of meteoroids hits the Moon"

"Clues to how often and how hard the Moon is hit lie in data from four seismometers placed on the Moon by the Apollo 12, 14, 15, and 16 missions during 1969-72. They operated until NASA turned them off in 1977. For years, the seismometers recorded all manner of tremors and jolts, including almost 3000 moonquakes, 1700 meteoroid strikes, and 9 spacecraft deliberately crashed into the Moon. All these data were transmitted to Earth for analysis.


"Here's what's interesting," says Cooke. "Of some 12,000 events recorded by the seismometers, less than half have been explained by known phenomena. There are thousands of tremors caused by ... no one knows what.""



Every site that wrote about developing a new EVA that could resist these high speed micrometeors are gone.
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your still need a shit-load of fuel to get that high up, moron.
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How hight up? In a vaccuum, there's no areodynamic drag to deal with, just 1/6g. And the CSM they were joining with was orbiting at about 60 miles up. It didn't take a lot of fuel to get up there, compared to launching into Earth orbit.
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can you say "shill"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247


Lets do the analysis:

Weight: 10,300 lbs
Thrust: 3,500 lbs
APS specific impulse: 311 sec
APS propellant mass: 5,187 pounds
Gravity moon: 1.624 m/s²
CSM speed = 3649.3 mph

Orbit assumed to be 100 km (numbers from 100km to 160km are listed and CSM could come to within 20 km of the moon)

Simple test is V = AT

Given the starting acceleration of 1G, the time is around 170 seconds.

The fuel consumption of 11.3 lb/s. 11.3*170 = 1921 lbs.

So they had more fuel than they needed - 2.5 times as much. Some of this was used to correct the orbit etc. etc. This is one reason Apollo 13 fared so well, they had fuel to burn.
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yer cooking the books.
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quite unbelievable how many here believe the most bizarre things and at the same time doubt this.

wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658249


ahahahahahah!!

wait, you believe them to land at moon?

ahahahhahah!!!

now that is funny.

let me know next time you see santa claus and nibiiiirruuu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22399618


Yes, America really was THAT FUCKING AWESOME even way back in 1969.

flag waver

Deal with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22631821


So if we were that awesome back in the 60's, why have we not returned?

It amazes me how people believe they were able to broadcast clear, uninterrupted live footage all the way from the moon back to earth, when we could hardly get a clear live feed from the middle east without disruption, especially in the 60's.
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I was around then and we had live feeds from Vietnam that came in crystal clear
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Show me the math that proves what you claim OP.
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Can you show us the math that disproves it? Come on, let's see it.
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ahahahahahah!!

wait, you believe them to land at moon?

ahahahhahah!!!

now that is funny.

let me know next time you see santa claus and nibiiiirruuu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22399618


Yes, America really was THAT FUCKING AWESOME even way back in 1969.

flag waver

Deal with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22631821


So if we were that awesome back in the 60's, why have we not returned?

It amazes me how people believe they were able to broadcast clear, uninterrupted live footage all the way from the moon back to earth, when we could hardly get a clear live feed from the middle east without disruption, especially in the 60's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17362492

I was around then and we had live feeds from Vietnam that came in crystal clear
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to my mind, the greatest technological achievement of
the 20th century was the launching in Telstar on July 10, 1962, and everything that proceeded therefrom...
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Show me the math that proves what you claim OP.
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Can you show us the math that disproves it? Come on, let's see it.
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Oh people have been on the moon sure. Just not in the way you were shown.
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they went into lunar orbit to join up with the CSM
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Now, that's interesting.

Joining up with an orbiting body (what was orbiting velocity and trajectory?), with no navigational equipment worth mentioning? That's quite a feat on this side of possible, but deep within the zone of improbable.

Those "lunar modules" were, more or less, just sealed cans of packed human meat, far from interplanetary spaceships that people usually imagine them to be.

How about this conspiracy theory then? They did go to the Moon, but they never landed there. It was all a show for the Soviets.
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are you saying that it's a conspiracy against the conspiracy, or what?

i'm getting confused, now...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247

I am saying that the real conspiracy is not that Neil Armstrong never went to the Moon. He did go there, or near there as it were, but he never LANDED on it.

Think of it like this:
a) Joining up with an orbiting body - a big no-no for ANY technological power at that time, including the U.S.
b) Joining up with a body in STATIONARY orbit - possible, but what makes it very improbable in this case is that command module would've had to DECELERATE while approaching the Moon, drop off the lunar module, and than ACCELERATE again after joining up the module coming off the Moon. BOTH operations would've required ENORMOUS amounts of fuel.
c) All Moon missions of that time had to have been simple SLINGSHOT MANEUVERS around the Moon. There was no technology available at that time to land there AND get back. One could've landed on the Moon, of course, but they would've NEVER been able to return.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Whether it's possible to land on the Moon AND come back today, is something I would not speculate on. I have my suspicions.
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Im sure we have landed on the moon a million plus times. As for being shown the actual footage...doubt it. They dont want us to know wtf is really up there.

Op dont you think nasa and all the astronauts would have calculated the different in gravity before they landed? We have just been lied to about how it all actually happened. You think they sent human beings before robot to explore? Pff fk no...they im sure had all the basic math figure out due to the change in gravity lo g before they went.

Is your argument that was the first craft of anykind to land on the moon and that we had no idea the difference in gravity? Because im sure we did.
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You are wildly underestimating the technology employed in the moon landings. Yes, their computers are trash by our standards, but they were only THERE for things like calculating trajectories. Not to mention they were in contact with NASA which could do them there.

Nobody said landing on the moon and returning was easy. There's a reason there was a speech prepared if they did not make it.
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yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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Lunar aerodynamics? You're a fucking retard.
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yet we send up 3 men with NO REAL firsthand knowledge of lunar aerodynamics? just theory? doesnt hold water.
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Lunar aerodynamics? You're a fucking retard.
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I Think that's his actual medical diagnosis....
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It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2.

It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon.
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it took the Saturn 5 rocket to escape Earth's gravity.

the Moon is 20% of Earth's gravity.

so, it would take 20% of a Saturn 5 to escape Moon's gravity!

yer right: it's all a FAKE!
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Wrong. It took a Saturn V to escape Earth's gravity, THROUGH the atmosphere (adds friction), AND carry the craft necessary to get to Moon, land, take off again and come back. All that needed to lift off from the Moon was just what was needed to get from the surface to lunar orbit. The math works.
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Now we have anti gravity crafts so the moon and every other planet is piece of cake. The technology we have is not a measly 40yrs ahead of the general public like they say...more like thousands of years. So now we would have to assume teleportation...antigravity...time travel is all realistic.

Just not for us slaves.
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It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2.

It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon.
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it took the Saturn 5 rocket to escape Earth's gravity.

the Moon is 20% of Earth's gravity.

so, it would take 20% of a Saturn 5 to escape Moon's gravity!

yer right: it's all a FAKE!
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Wrong. It took a Saturn V to escape Earth's gravity, THROUGH the atmosphere (adds friction), AND carry the craft necessary to get to Moon, land, take off again and come back. All that needed to lift off from the Moon was just what was needed to get from the surface to lunar orbit. The math works.
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after you get 2 miles high, there ain't that much friction buck-o.
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More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that.
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Please cite your calculation for the "10 tons of lead". I'll bet you won't.

They went AROUND the majority of the belts.



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It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2.

It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon.
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it took the Saturn 5 rocket to escape Earth's gravity.

the Moon is 20% of Earth's gravity.

so, it would take 20% of a Saturn 5 to escape Moon's gravity!

yer right: it's all a FAKE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247


Wrong. It took a Saturn V to escape Earth's gravity, THROUGH the atmosphere (adds friction), AND carry the craft necessary to get to Moon, land, take off again and come back. All that needed to lift off from the Moon was just what was needed to get from the surface to lunar orbit. The math works.
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after you get 2 miles high, there ain't that much friction buck-o.
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and they don't hit 22,000 mph until they're really up there.
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We are sending robots to mars and people still don't think we could have sent people to the moon?
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you are talking 1960s dude.
use your brains. The computers back then are 1000x bigger than the IBM PC XT but less computing power.
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Anyone care to explain to me HOW did they manage to film the lift off from moon surface, with camera movement and zoom in and out?

And don't bother to tell me they used earth commands to do it - it was impossible back then.

Oh and there was a delay of 4-5 seconds for voice - so imagine for camera work.

anyone?
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How was it impossible? Please cite your sources. You even got the delay wrong showing just how little research you've done. Even with a delay, so what? Is it impossible to know the launch time, know the delay, know the acceleration and start panning at the appropriate time?
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shit man, I could launch an arrow off the moon with a bow and arrow (thousands of years old tech)

Moon has LITTLE GRAVITY

and NO ATMOSPHERE

does not take much to get OFF THE MOON


idiot.
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Anyone care to explain to me HOW did they manage to film the lift off from moon surface, with camera movement and zoom in and out?

And don't bother to tell me they used earth commands to do it - it was impossible back then.

Oh and there was a delay of 4-5 seconds for voice - so imagine for camera work.

anyone?
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Which mission? Earlier missions they filmed using a camera inside the LEM. Later missions a camera was left on a tripod outside and filmed the LEM liftoff using a remote.
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Remote huh genius?

Proof? Data? Who remoted it? HOW?

Some of you americans are smart as a rock.
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Ed Fendell in mission controll remotely controlled the camera. The slightest bit of searching would have found you that info. So sad that Google is broken for you.
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How hight up? In a vaccuum, there's no areodynamic drag to deal with, just 1/6g. And the CSM they were joining with was orbiting at about 60 miles up. It didn't take a lot of fuel to get up there, compared to launching into Earth orbit.
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can you say "shill"?
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Lets do the analysis:

Weight: 10,300 lbs
Thrust: 3,500 lbs
APS specific impulse: 311 sec
APS propellant mass: 5,187 pounds
Gravity moon: 1.624 m/s²
CSM speed = 3649.3 mph

Orbit assumed to be 100 km (numbers from 100km to 160km are listed and CSM could come to within 20 km of the moon)

Simple test is V = AT

Given the starting acceleration of 1G, the time is around 170 seconds.

The fuel consumption of 11.3 lb/s. 11.3*170 = 1921 lbs.

So they had more fuel than they needed - 2.5 times as much. Some of this was used to correct the orbit etc. etc. This is one reason Apollo 13 fared so well, they had fuel to burn.
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yer cooking the books.
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The scientific dictatorship can just dream up any abstract explanation, then look down their noses and it usually works..

but now; i have seen they operate in BAD FAITH... SO IMO all the histories, the media, the scientific disclosures are competely corrupted, to the point we cannot trust a goddamn word they say. Like hearing the "scientific" explanation of how fires brought down WTC7 or the magic bullet...
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Which mission? Earlier missions they filmed using a camera inside the LEM. Later missions a camera was left on a tripod outside and filmed the LEM liftoff using a remote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12905163


Remote huh genius?

Proof? Data? Who remoted it? HOW?

Some of you americans are smart as a rock.
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The camera was mounted on the front of the abandoned lunar rover and remotely controlled from Houston. The pan-up command was sent 1.3 seconds early to account for the delay. It's obvious from the jerky motions best observed from 32:30 that it's controlled by motors and that it can only do one thing at a time (pan down, pan right, zoom etc). There's footage from some EVA missions where Mission Control operated the camera while both astronauts move around in view. Next time read, don't guess.
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Yeah same camera that waited there to captured him going down the ladder...
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No, that camera was prepositioned on the MESA arm and released by Armstrong via lanyard before starting down the ladder. Also it was a completely different mission. How sad that Google is broken for you as well. This is becoming an epidemic!

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