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Message Subject If the Moon landing was real: How the hell did they take off FROM the moon?
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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I am saying that the real conspiracy is not that Neil Armstrong never went to the Moon. He did go there, or near there as it were, but he never LANDED on it.

Think of it like this:
a) Joining up with an orbiting body - a big no-no for ANY technological power at that time, including the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


Stupidly wrong. Look up "Angry Alligator" some time. Orbital rendezvous WAS a tough nut, so they made sure to work on it a lot in Earth orbit. And (Apollo 10) in lunar orbit.

And, really, EVERY spacecraft that lands on another world is having to join up with an orbiting body.


b) Joining up with a body in STATIONARY orbit - possible, but what makes it very improbable in this case is that command module would've had to DECELERATE while approaching the Moon, drop off the lunar module, and than ACCELERATE again after joining up the module coming off the Moon. BOTH operations would've required ENORMOUS amounts of fuel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


What the fracking hell is a "Stationary" orbit?

Anyhow, your profile for the C/SM (not the CM at that stage) is dead wrong. It arrives at the Moon and performs a circularizing burn. It is thus in a low and stable lunar orbit. The LM detaches, comes in and lands in a path along the plane of the C/SM's orbit. The ascent stage lifts off and accelerates along that same plane. It is timed, also; they know damned well where the C/SM is the entire time.

The astronauts transfer, the ascent stage is discarded to crash back on the Moon, the SM engine lights to put them back on intercept with the Earth.

The delta-v for each stage of this operation is easy to look up (and slightly more difficult to calculate) and the propellant masses are documented. There are no mysterious and hidden maneuvers required.



c) All Moon missions of that time had to have been simple SLINGSHOT MANEUVERS around the Moon. There was no technology available at that time to land there AND get back. One could've landed on the Moon, of course, but they would've NEVER been able to return.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Whether it's possible to land on the Moon AND come back today, is something I would not speculate on. I have my suspicions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


Not gravity assist, actually. More like free-return trajectories -- an elongated ellipse with the apogee further out from Earth than the Moon is.

But I assume from the above that you are denying ALL landings, manned and unmanned, other than direct-to-impact such as the Ranger probes or the early Lunas.

But of course you are too pig-ignorant to be specific about whatever technology you think is missing.
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183



Anyone arguing orbital mechanics that doesn't know the meaning of the term "Stationary Orbit" automatically gains the rank of Chief Idiot.

We're done here, threads over.
 
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