If the Moon landing was real: How the hell did they take off FROM the moon? | |
nomuse (not logged in) User ID: 2380183 United States 08/26/2012 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. Pity that ain't true. [link to www.astronomycafe.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. Pity that ain't true. [link to www.astronomycafe.net] o.k. just because the murderous solar radiation turns the Van Allen Belt into a giant particle accelerator doesn't mean i'm wrong. that is simply the mechanism by which the Van Allen Belt attenuates the murderous solar radiation from the Earth. moron. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14143765 United States 08/26/2012 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. yeah, that's why nobody lives up North or South where it doesn't cover. Oh wait, they do. you forgot also that the ISS routinely passes through a low hanging part of the Van Allen belts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. yeah, that's why nobody lives up North or South where it doesn't cover. Oh wait, they do. you forgot also that the ISS routinely passes through a low hanging part of the Van Allen belts. well, as long as they stay *under* the umbrella of the Van Allen Belt, then, they are shielded from all the murderous solar radiation, now, then, aren't they. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14143765 United States 08/26/2012 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. yeah, that's why nobody lives up North or South where it doesn't cover. Oh wait, they do. you forgot also that the ISS routinely passes through a low hanging part of the Van Allen belts. well, as long as they stay *under* the umbrella of the Van Allen Belt, then, they are shielded from all the murderous solar radiation, now, then, aren't they. They are BELTS not SPHERES. They do NOT cover the higher latitudes yet people still live there. Therefore you are wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. yeah, that's why nobody lives up North or South where it doesn't cover. Oh wait, they do. you forgot also that the ISS routinely passes through a low hanging part of the Van Allen belts. and, neither the North nor South Poles are ever pointed directly in the path of the Solar Wind, so, the most they ever get is the Aurora Borealis, and we all know how that comes about.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. yeah, that's why nobody lives up North or South where it doesn't cover. Oh wait, they do. you forgot also that the ISS routinely passes through a low hanging part of the Van Allen belts. well, as long as they stay *under* the umbrella of the Van Allen Belt, then, they are shielded from all the murderous solar radiation, now, then, aren't they. They are BELTS not SPHERES. They do NOT cover the higher latitudes yet people still live there. Therefore you are wrong. no i'm not wrong, i am right. therefore, you are wrong. QED |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16439676 United States 08/26/2012 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LEM Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12905163 Built by Grumman Right here on Long Island, NY Only the top half lifted off Theres still damage to the landing sites from the exaust generated on liftoff the Moon is 20% of Earth's gravity. the LEM would have had to have 20% of the fuel in a Saturn 5 rocket to escape the Moon's gravity. the LEM couldn't possibly have had any more fuel than a 4th of July roman candle. the whole thing is a FAKE! The moon is 1/6 the earth's gravity. Plus you also have to consider other things like no atmosphere to push through, and that the weight of the LEM was a lot less than 1/6 of the Saturn 5 rocket. Plus a piece of what didn't even land on the moon, but was rotating around. I forgot what it was called. But the proof is in the calculations. Can you do the calculations to prove that they couldn't get off the moon? If they faked it, wouldn't it be easier to fake more than enough of the fuel they needed? I mean, if they're going to fake it, why fake it in a way that would show that they couldn't get off the moon. Again, the proof is in the calculations. You must know something since you're so sure, so give us the calculations as to why it couldn't get off the moon. |
What Now?! User ID: 1439688 United States 08/26/2012 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580 It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon. rtre I don't have the patience to read all the replies to your thread starter OP, so to everyone else, I apologize if some of my reply has already been covered. First, only 2 men landed on the moon, in the lunar module. One man stayed in orbit in a seperate ship in the command/service module. Second, lunar gravity is only 1/6th earth gravity, so lifting off was only 1/6th as hard, requiring only 1/6th the thrust that might have been needed to lift off from earth. So, what weighed about 12,000 pounds on earth only weighed about 2,000 pounds on the moon. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Third, to insure that the ascent stage's rocket motor would start when needed, and not strand two men on the moon, the fuel was a mixture of two components that were in seperate tanks until a valve was opened. The fuel and oxidizer were explosive when combined, so when they were, in a carefully designed reaction chamber, the resulting blast was directed out of an exhaust nozzle---no electricity needed for ignition. Mind you, most of this was calculated using a slide rule (you can look up what those were yourself). Computers back then were very new and primitive by today's standards. In fact the Apollo moon ships had less computing power than the average automobile has today. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LEM Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12905163 Built by Grumman Right here on Long Island, NY Only the top half lifted off Theres still damage to the landing sites from the exaust generated on liftoff the Moon is 20% of Earth's gravity. the LEM would have had to have 20% of the fuel in a Saturn 5 rocket to escape the Moon's gravity. the LEM couldn't possibly have had any more fuel than a 4th of July roman candle. the whole thing is a FAKE! The moon is 1/6 the earth's gravity. Plus you also have to consider other things like no atmosphere to push through, and that the weight of the LEM was a lot less than 1/6 of the Saturn 5 rocket. Plus a piece of what didn't even land on the moon, but was rotating around. I forgot what it was called. But the proof is in the calculations. Can you do the calculations to prove that they couldn't get off the moon? If they faked it, wouldn't it be easier to fake more than enough of the fuel they needed? I mean, if they're going to fake it, why fake it in a way that would show that they couldn't get off the moon. Again, the proof is in the calculations. You must know something since you're so sure, so give us the calculations as to why it couldn't get off the moon. someone said that the command module was orbiting 30 miles above. now, how could that little bitty LEM possibly be holding enough fuel to overcome even 20% the gravity of Earth? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21770282 United States 08/26/2012 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580 ok.... 2 men. not much difference though; what about the technology of the time? the fuel required would have been hundreds of lbs, no? to take off from point zero. And where is the rocketry apparatus? who built it? please stop. the stupid is bothering me right now. its bothering you: thats called DOUBT. all this because the elitist dictatorship is failing; and has lost all credibility to dictate facts to us...ANYMORE. nope, no doubt. just your stupid is hurting my head at the moment. It will pass when I completely forget about you and your post in the next few minutes. the time I have wasted on you hurts my head I guess your one of those people who aren't accustomed to using their brains because most peoples heads don't hurt when thinking logically. You might wanna get that checked out. But don't be surprised when the doctor tells you,"relax you only have down syndrome and there's loads of opportunities out there for you , Look shiny keys... my keys are shiny.... Quick get this retard quarantined STAT! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22642230 Croatia 08/26/2012 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guys, youtube that famous interview after landing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22637174 Now, when you look that interview you look at the people who just achived one of the biggest things in history! So do they look/act like that!? No, they look upset, confused, even scared... like they guilty for something! I mean, there's no positive emotions there...only fake...look at their body language when they answering questions! Come On that |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guys, youtube that famous interview after landing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22637174 Now, when you look that interview you look at the people who just achived one of the biggest things in history! So do they look/act like that!? No, they look upset, confused, even scared... like they guilty for something! I mean, there's no positive emotions there...only fake...look at their body language when they answering questions! Come On that yeh, i smell a rat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22634579 United States 08/26/2012 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets do the analysis: Weight: 10,300 lbs Thrust: 3,500 lbs APS specific impulse: 311 sec APS propellant mass: 5,187 pounds Gravity moon: 1.624 m/s² CSM speed = 3649.3 mph Orbit assumed to be 100 km (numbers from 100km to 160km are listed and CSM could come to within 20 km of the moon) Simple test is V = AT Given the starting acceleration of 1G, the time is around 170 seconds. The fuel consumption of 11.3 lb/s. 11.3*170 = 1921 lbs. So they had more fuel than they needed - 2.5 times as much. Some of this was used to correct the orbit etc. etc. This is one reason Apollo 13 fared so well, they had fuel to burn. Just bumping this for the HBs who are having trouble understanding how the LM could launch and join up with the CSM. It's pretty simple, if you know a little math. |
SnakeAirlines User ID: 1086405 United States 08/26/2012 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's blatantly obvious that the kiddies know very little about anything... Last Edited by SnakeAirlines on 08/26/2012 05:21 PM "Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail" deanoZXT-07/20/2014 07:48 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14093481 United States 08/26/2012 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580 It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon. hey moran. one astronaut stayed orbiting the moon in the command capsule. grow a fucking brain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5327118 United States 08/26/2012 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am saying that the real conspiracy is not that Neil Armstrong never went to the Moon. He did go there, or near there as it were, but he never LANDED on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619 Think of it like this: a) Joining up with an orbiting body - a big no-no for ANY technological power at that time, including the U.S. Stupidly wrong. Look up "Angry Alligator" some time. Orbital rendezvous WAS a tough nut, so they made sure to work on it a lot in Earth orbit. And (Apollo 10) in lunar orbit. And, really, EVERY spacecraft that lands on another world is having to join up with an orbiting body. b) Joining up with a body in STATIONARY orbit - possible, but what makes it very improbable in this case is that command module would've had to DECELERATE while approaching the Moon, drop off the lunar module, and than ACCELERATE again after joining up the module coming off the Moon. BOTH operations would've required ENORMOUS amounts of fuel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619 What the fracking hell is a "Stationary" orbit? Anyhow, your profile for the C/SM (not the CM at that stage) is dead wrong. It arrives at the Moon and performs a circularizing burn. It is thus in a low and stable lunar orbit. The LM detaches, comes in and lands in a path along the plane of the C/SM's orbit. The ascent stage lifts off and accelerates along that same plane. It is timed, also; they know damned well where the C/SM is the entire time. The astronauts transfer, the ascent stage is discarded to crash back on the Moon, the SM engine lights to put them back on intercept with the Earth. The delta-v for each stage of this operation is easy to look up (and slightly more difficult to calculate) and the propellant masses are documented. There are no mysterious and hidden maneuvers required. c) All Moon missions of that time had to have been simple SLINGSHOT MANEUVERS around the Moon. There was no technology available at that time to land there AND get back. One could've landed on the Moon, of course, but they would've NEVER been able to return. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619 [link to en.wikipedia.org] Whether it's possible to land on the Moon AND come back today, is something I would not speculate on. I have my suspicions. Not gravity assist, actually. More like free-return trajectories -- an elongated ellipse with the apogee further out from Earth than the Moon is. But I assume from the above that you are denying ALL landings, manned and unmanned, other than direct-to-impact such as the Ranger probes or the early Lunas. But of course you are too pig-ignorant to be specific about whatever technology you think is missing. Anyone arguing orbital mechanics that doesn't know the meaning of the term "Stationary Orbit" automatically gains the rank of Chief Idiot. We're done here, threads over. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22406267 United Kingdom 08/26/2012 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if just one more big asteroid hits Jupiter, that will be Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247 the magic number adding the mass needed for the entire planet and atmosphere to collapse in on itself and become a thermonuclear fusion furnace (aka star) Good grief!! The lowest mass limit for a star is about 0.08 solar masses. This is more than 150 times the mass of Jupiter. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22633247 United States 08/26/2012 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if just one more big asteroid hits Jupiter, that will be Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247 the magic number adding the mass needed for the entire planet and atmosphere to collapse in on itself and become a thermonuclear fusion furnace (aka star) Good grief!! The lowest mass limit for a star is about 0.08 solar masses. This is more than 150 times the mass of Jupiter. hey, this is show business, man. don't be confusing us with the facts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5276524 United States 08/26/2012 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look up the recent episode Ancient Aliens, The Nasa Connection. the guys that were on that mission were confirmed 33rd degree free masons. most interesting episode of ancient aliens, not even an episode of ancient aliens really..more like a nasa disclosure LOOK IT UP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12790821 United States 08/26/2012 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is too much stupid in this thread to fix it all. I'll try anyway, though much (if not all) of this has been gone over ad nauseum throughout the rest of the thread. There were not 3 people on the moon, there were 2...Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. The third (Good Guy Greg), stayed in the orbiting command module. It was this command module that made the actual trip back to earth. The LEM touched down, and after the EVA and moon-walk, the top half of the LEM separated from it's base and lifted off the surface of the moon much lighter than it had landed (because most of the LEM was left behind) to rejoin the command module in orbit around the moon. Once Buzz and Neil were safely back aboard the command module, the LEM was jettisoned and the command module returned to earth. Since the LEM was attached to the command module at the time of launch from earth, the command module itself was considerably lighter since the LEM had become space debris at that point. So, whereas a large object went to the moon...a much smaller and lighter one returned from it. They had approximately twice the fuel needed to make the trip. |
nomuse (not logged in) User ID: 2380183 United States 08/26/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More importantly how did they get through the Van Allen Belt to get to the moon in the first place. Would have needed 10 tons of lead for that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21186169 the Van Allen Belt shields Earth from the murderous solar radiation in open Space. even the ISS has to stay in low-Earth orbit (below the Van Allen Belt) to protect the astronauts from the murderous solar radiation. Pity that ain't true. [link to www.astronomycafe.net] o.k. just because the murderous solar radiation turns the Van Allen Belt into a giant particle accelerator doesn't mean i'm wrong. that is simply the mechanism by which the Van Allen Belt attenuates the murderous solar radiation from the Earth. moron. Two points. First, from the link; the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly means that the ISS does NOT spend its entire life beneath the VARB. It passes through the electron belt quite frequently, in fact. Not through the heart of it, but certainly enough to require amelioration. Second, that is not how the Earth's magnetic field interacts with charged particles from the Sun. It traps them for a period within magnetic field lines, essentially concentrating them. This gives the VARB a much higher average flux than the space outside of Earth's magnetosphere. The VARB plays no role in neutral particles, massless particles (aka gamma-ray photons), and high-energy extra-solar cosmic rays (they just punch right through). |
nomuse (not logged in) User ID: 2380183 United States 08/26/2012 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if just one more big asteroid hits Jupiter, that will be the magic number adding the mass needed for the entire planet and atmosphere to collapse in on itself and become a thermonuclear fusion furnace (aka star) An asteroid the size of 10 or 20 Jupiters, that is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7161893 Canada 08/26/2012 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was only the 3 astronauts, right? No rocket scientists. No reconstructed apparatus. And what about the operations of firing a rocket WITH 3 MEN AND FUEL, CAMERA'S etc FROM THE MOON? How the hell could any scientist speculate that 3 astronauts would be able to take off by themseves? From point zero, the amount of fuel needed? What about the times; we needed to send disinfo to the Soviet Union... 1+1 = 2. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6231580 It was fake. Recondition your mind: Aint NO ONE been on the moon. Actually the moon landing was faked, and it was also simultaneously done. I know that sounds incredulous, and nonsensical, but it had it's purpose. The purpose was to create a dialectic for public consumption, while at the same time confusing Russian competition to their full capabilities. Dr Beder explained in his files that the Apollo Program continued in secrecy from an alternative launch point using different propulsion systems. That alternative launch point was in fact Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, and the propulsion system was nuclear propulsion. Project Nerva, is a good starting point. Google Dr Beder files, they will come up as an expansive 400 page pdf. The farther you dig into them the more you will find he was telling the truth, and was talking about the Fort Knox Gold scandal going back to the 60's and prior. That the gold there was tungsten bars. Go figure that this became public so many years later. At this time, they have the capability attested to by some now deceased CIA agents to go to the moon in under 90 minutes. There is an entire secret base on the moon, and the parallel space program is alive and well. Dr Deagle of nutrimedical.com talks openly about it, being at one time one of the doctors who would take care of the astronauts in the parallel program. Being a pragmatic investigator some things he has talked about have come to light years after he talked about them, and were confirmed to be true. |
nomuse (not logged in) User ID: 2380183 United States 08/26/2012 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | someone said that the command module was orbiting 30 miles above. now, how could that little bitty LEM possibly be Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22633247 holding enough fuel to overcome even 20% the gravity of Earth? How does a Harrier carry enough fuel to lift off vertically and hover in place....against a full G? How does a MAN carry enough fuel on his own back to lift off and fly around and land safely again? |
nomuse (not logged in) User ID: 2380183 United States 08/26/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone arguing orbital mechanics that doesn't know the meaning of the term "Stationary Orbit" automatically gains the rank of Chief Idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118 We're done here, threads over. In the context in which you gave it, the term is meaningless. You don't even know enough to know that. No...Google-fu is not helping you here. There are such things as GEOstationary orbits (notice the addition of a meaningful particle to the name?) but to the best of my knowledge no-one has matched orbits with one of those satellites. They are not maintained, but are kicked into unstable orbits at the end of their service life. Now...care to explain what you meant by a "stationary orbit" that was easier to perform a rendezvous with? Or have you already forgotten your original claim? |