If the Moon landing was real: How the hell did they take off FROM the moon?

In some alternate universe, maybe.

The bulk of the people "asking questions" are not interested in answers. They'd be DELIGHTED if no-one answered. What they want is confirmation.

Basic data on the Apollo Program, and the underlying science, isn't hard to find. It takes three things, tho; patience, work, and a willingness to learn something new.



Oh...and another perfect illustration of begging the question, supplied by yourself.

"..how they achieved this lift off based on guess work."

No, there was no lift-off achieved on guess work. That is a perfect framing of a "question" that includes the answer the questioner really desires.

Not sure if it is correct but I did read recently that NASA Astros' before take oof are often given a anti-sickness injection made from a preperation of Dexedrine(a Amphetamine) and Scopolamine of all things.

This may not be true but if it is,well.

Not true at all. The Russians had been kicking our ass in space. Yuri Gagarin ring a bell? Sputnik? First to orbit the earth? Then we suddenly leap frog past them, put 6 successful missions on the surface of the moon and bring them back, and the Russians NEVER land men on the moon? Makes no sense.

Look at earthly exploration. The Spanish were the first Europeans to land in the Americas. Did the English, French, Russians, etc. throw in the towel? Of course not. They came, too, albeit a little later. Why would it be any different with human exploration of a planetary body? The Russians wouldn't have thrown in the towel. They'd have gone, too, albeit later. But they didn't. Why not?

Remember, America had one asset the Russians didn't have during the Cold War: Hollywood.

Putin's a great leader; probably the best in the world right now. Russia has no debt, is awash in natural resources that Putin assured would benefit the country as a whole, instead of being gobbled up solely by the Oligarchs. And Putin is the only counter to the radical neocon agenda that has rabidly overtaken the halls of power in D.C.

As for Russians "stealing" things, it was 2 American jewish people who gave the Russians our nuclear secrets -- Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Oy vey!

Not to mention the giant gloves they wore. How would they be able to operate their cameras? They couldn't. It's been tried here on earth by investigators. Can't be done.

Personally, I think the story we've been given about the moon is bizarre for many reasons. And I find the actions of NASA after the fact add to the doubt.

It was mostly guess work muse.

I know of no unmanned Lunar launch practice runs using the same lander type.

It is a little silly to answer a question with 'they don't want answers' - of cause they do hence the bloody question.

I do remember them trying out the Lunar Module on Earth..it almost killed the pilot if I remember correctly.

Anyhoo' - Answers would be gratefully appreciated if you have any.

I like the yellow tinfoil on the LEM the best! lol

I like your line of thought.

Nice, so you're saying people have been on the moon.

Not to forget the exposure of the Film that should have occurred during the changing of slides.

I remember the Cinocam Film I had used to get Solar Burns here on Earth even with our protective Magnetosphere and Atmospheres - can't imagine what would have happened to a single Camera Film Slide on the Moon!?

The difference is, the New World had resources. At the time of Apollo, the only things that could be gained from the Moon were scientific knowledge about the Moon, experience in space operations, and bragging rights. And the Soviets had access to the first (as did the rest of the world).

They reconfigured to low orbit on the cheap and got very good at it -- only now is there any serious competition.



As far as the race goes, there is no denying the Soviets got a head start. America was at the time wandering into a nasty little slump where the average person didn't understand science, didn't want to understand science, and was suspicious of scientists. The Soviets had a dream of scientific agriculture (which didn't really pan out for them, because they didn't actually use science -- they used claims made in scientific language by people who agreed with the Party). Anyhow, they had a vision of scientific and engineering superiority and they got Sputnik up while the rest of the world was just thinking about it.

The US Army got very competitive in response but in the wrong way -- they were throwing up rockets right and left which mostly blew up. Fortunately the fledgling NASA took a smarter track...take the time to learn the basics and build an infrastructure.

More or less the lesson of the Wright Brothers...whereas many heavier-than-air experimentalists lunged right into prototypes (and many of them lost their own lives in the testing thereof) the Wrights sat down and spent years without a single flight to their names...time spent analyzing flight, building the first wind tunnel, and basically getting the groundwork done right.

By the middle of the Space Race the Soviets were playing mostly for the publicity; first woman in space (not going to get into here but it is a sad shame and commentary on the period that this was a gimmick and not a serious consideration by all parties), first two-man flight, etc. Which they were achieving mostly not by new designs or spacecraft improvements, but by straining the limits of the gear they had.

Meanwhile the US went from the tiny Mercury to Gemini -- a craft built from the ground up to fit two men -- and thence to the Apollo systems -- much larger and more sophisticated than anything the Soviets were throwing up, as active as the Soviets continued to be in trying to achieve a shrinking list of "firsts."

Maybe they could have made it, had they gotten their heavy lifter going. But Apollo was a MASSIVE project, and the Soviets couldn't afford a similar intensive effort. So they backed off as gracefully as they could. And, as I said earlier, got the last laugh. Because NASA got sucked into the Shuttle, which was crippled anyhow by penny-wise, pound foolish changes.

Which leaves us both practically neck and neck with Europe and China and Japan, with all of us having really nothing in the heavy lifter and not much for putting humans any further than LEO.

Which is there. There are often sunstrikes on the ends of the rolls -- if you look at the whole rolls at the Apollo Image Atlas you'll see them.

The Hassie magazines had an integral dark slide, by the by. Pushed into place before the magazine was detached. The magazine itself was extra-beefy and functioned pretty much like those envelopes you used to get for your film before going through the airport metal detectors.




And, yes...for flux and total energy, sunlight in the visual band trumps every other radiated energy or charged particle on the lunar surface. Sure, there is everything from extra-solar cosmic rays to secondary neutron radiation from the soil, but these are pittance to the raw energy of ordinary sunlight -- as far as exposed film is concerned!

Wow, did you seriously just say that?

ROFL, some of the statements people make here while trying to sound arrogantly intelligent are hilarious!

You guys are pure gold, I tells ya. Comedy writers couldn't come up with this shit!

So...you know of no unmanned test of a manned vehicle. Do you not see the problem in that? If you designed it to be landed unmanned, you'd be testing....a vehicle designed to be landed unmanned. It isn't a trivial change in the design. It isn't the same vehicle.

Aircraft have and still are tested manned. Because we intend to fly them that way after they'd passed testing. And test pilots die discovering that they aren't quite ready to fly (happened a lot more in the 60's, tho -- modeling has improved).

And what do you call something like Apollo 10? A test run of everything that can be done short of actually putting legs on soil? How do you reconcile the time and money spent on Apollo 10 with the assertion that NASA was content to fly an untested craft?




No. The answers are not hard to find. And they aren't asking in places where those answers are likely. Why are YOU, for instance, asking for technical details on a forum that concerns itself with UFOs and how many times Jesus can appear on toast? Why aren't you at one of the space enthusiast forums?




Sorry, but this is in error. The LM was designed to operate in 1/6 G, in a vacuum. There were numerous tests performed on Earth but free flight was never one of them. It couldn't be. It didn't have the strength to lift off under one Earth gravity.

The testing you may be thinking of (are thinking of) was testing of two elements; control systems, and pilots. They wanted to give the pilots as much practice as possible in similar craft. So they designed something that handled in a similar manner, even though the construction was radically different.

Which got through hundreds of successful flights, along with an accident or two. Which is pretty damned good for an experimental, one-use specialty aircraft.

Link please.

But I will match you with experience and video taken of an Apollo-era Hassie being used with replica suit.


Two things you are probably not aware of (because your sole research source, the Bart Sibrel video, didn't include them); the overgloves were removable -- the undergloves were tight-fitting neoprene -- and the Hassies were modified by having tabs welded on to the controls that needed to be manipulated. It could be done with a blunt object. And since they had zone focus, wide angle lenses, and three exposure settings inscribed on a chart (oh, and motor drives), it wasn't exactly fiddly work.

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Look how much the entire rocket weighed...how much did the LEM weigh?

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It's not rocket science & you'll never be one..

HAHA! Most concise truth I've ever read on GLP!

Goddamn it, with this moon landing already. Instead of watching their stupid TV, didn't anyone at that time get the idea of just pulling out a telescope and see for himself?

More Lies... just Lie and Lie and Lie...its reciprocating lielies

Why did the astronauts appear to move so slowly on the moon? With less gravity, wouldn't they be able to move faster?

this ^

They put the sound stage film of "moon walking" in slow motion.

Congratulations OP,

You've begun to use that least often exercised human organ; the brain. How the LEM took off from the moon is easier to explain than HOW IT LANDED. Just do a thought experiment for a minute on how you'd land a rocket regardless of gravity? Common sense tells you it would flip over. There are so many holes in the NASA story that a child could see through it. Actually, I've known from a child that the whole thing was a hoax. No adult could ever answer my question: "Daddy, how do you land a rocket?"

There are many other obvious holes in the NASA moon landing hoax:

- Cooling - how is heat transfer possible in space?
- Suits - how did those phony suits work?
- Power - how did they power things, batteries?
- Sound - how did they overcome the speech delay?
- LEM - how did that piece of tinfoil work?

What you are witnessing is the power of mind control. Every poster coming on here defending NASA is either a plant or is under a very powerful mind control spell and cannot think for himself. As you begin to examine this hoax with an open mind you will see that the evidence is all there. NASA FAKED THE MOON LANDINGS.

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Wag The Moon Doggie [link to davesweb.cnchost.com]
Mind Control, Fake Moon Landings [link to www.dailymotion.com]

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Then from there went to the Moon. They were SEEN leaving low Earth orbit. If they had stayed the craft would have been the brightest thing in the sky and visible to anybody that cared to look.

IF we had a way to use Helium 3 (we don't yet) we would still need to have a HUGE mining infrastructure and nobody has yet to want to pay for it.

Oh look someone who has NO IDEA how the military works! And of course didn't think about the FACT that they would have been visible in low Earth orbit and many people viewed them LEAVING low Earth orbit and tracked them on the way to the Moon.