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Things you may not know about Muslims: They love Jesus and expect his return | |
| Démodé Offer Upgrade  User ID: 20502104  Serbia08/26/2012 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I personally think that more and more of people on both Christian and Muslim side become aware of the above facts. As the things are going now, I expect this to be solid ground for political cooperation between Muslims and Christians - but not the Western Christians. Some moves have already been taken - just look at the Russia and Iran. Christian Orthodox countries and Islamic non-fundamentalists are about to make very very serious cooperation soon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737  United States08/26/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? |
| wakeupnow User ID: 16300499 United States08/26/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Islam and Christianity are much much more closer than Judaism and Christianity. Quoting: Démodé Unlike the Jewish, the Muslims believe that: - Jesus is The Messiah, The Christ and The Savior (same word translated in Hebrew, Greek and English - respectively) - Muslims await the second coming of Jesus (not Muhammad) as Jesus is "the prophet closest to the God" - Muslims believe Jesus did miracles - Muslims believe in Virgin Mary's miraculous conception - They believe Jesus was risen to Heavens as a son of God Muslims however have different impression of the nature of the God. In spite of their belief of miraculous conception by Holy Spirit they believe Jesus was only a man and have no idea on Holy Trinity. So, how's that now Christians have more sympathies for the Jewish than the Muslims? I could never understand that. Thanks for reading. In case you do not believe what I wrote about doctrine of Islam, maybe you'd want to hear it from the mouth of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, one of the greatest living Islamic scholars. Interesting part starts around 0:50:30 I think you are wrong...I know a few muslims, and they do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah...they also say he was not crucified....people get killed in the middle east who believe Jesus is the Messiah. Many are waking up,and turning to Jesus, the real Messiah, and not the muslim version.... |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? I believe it was "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22157434 United States08/26/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Islam and Christianity are much much more closer than Judaism and Christianity. Quoting: Démodé Unlike the Jewish, the Muslims believe that: - Jesus is The Messiah, The Christ and The Savior (same word translated in Hebrew, Greek and English - respectively) - Muslims await the second coming of Jesus (not Muhammad) as Jesus is "the prophet closest to the God" - Muslims believe Jesus did miracles - Muslims believe in Virgin Mary's miraculous conception - They believe Jesus was risen to Heavens as a son of God Muslims however have different impression of the nature of the God. In spite of their belief of miraculous conception by Holy Spirit they believe Jesus was only a man and have no idea on Holy Trinity. So, how's that now Christians have more sympathies for the Jewish than the Muslims? I could never understand that. Thanks for reading. In case you do not believe what I wrote about doctrine of Islam, maybe you'd want to hear it from the mouth of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, one of the greatest living Islamic scholars. Interesting part starts around 0:50:30 I think you are wrong...I know a few muslims, and they do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah...they also say he was not crucified....people get killed in the middle east who believe Jesus is the Messiah. Many are waking up,and turning to Jesus, the real Messiah, and not the muslim version.... I watched the video above and heard Sheikh Ahmed Deedat reading it from Koran - Jesus is Messiah. I believe he should be expert in this fiels. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22604343 United States08/26/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Islam Jesus (Isa) was a messenger of God and was given the ability to perform miracles, such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life etc., all by the permission of God not by his own power. And of course, he was a Muslim. Those who have put their faith in the word of men, defined as the word of God have placed their faith in a fallacy not in God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20022035 United States08/26/2012 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...why do they kill people who leave the faith?...why do they have "honor" killing ?...why do the forbid other faiths, in nations that are Muslim controlled?...why can I not bring a bible into Saudi Arabia?...it's not what I don't know, it's what I do know...there is a billion Muslims and most are fine people..but they have a real problem with a number of their leaders who seem very violent and intolerant of any independent thought...I do know that...and I don't hear enough Muslims telling the nutty ones to STFU...like the Westboro (sic?) nut jobs who are denounced by most/all Christian groups... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? I believe it was "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" He said both. Pay attention. Be informed before you disagree. Matthew 27:46 (KJV) 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? |
| alexisj9 User ID: 1376880  United Kingdom08/26/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Islam and Christianity are much much more closer than Judaism and Christianity. Quoting: Démodé Unlike the Jewish, the Muslims believe that: - Jesus is The Messiah, The Christ and The Savior (same word translated in Hebrew, Greek and English - respectively) - Muslims await the second coming of Jesus (not Muhammad) as Jesus is "the prophet closest to the God" - Muslims believe Jesus did miracles - Muslims believe in Virgin Mary's miraculous conception - They believe Jesus was risen to Heavens as a son of God Muslims however have different impression of the nature of the God. In spite of their belief of miraculous conception by Holy Spirit they believe Jesus was only a man and have no idea on Holy Trinity. So, how's that now Christians have more sympathies for the Jewish than the Muslims? I could never understand that. Thanks for reading. In case you do not believe what I wrote about doctrine of Islam, maybe you'd want to hear it from the mouth of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, one of the greatest living Islamic scholars. Interesting part starts around 0:50:30 It's all the propaganda plain and simple, the wars between Christians and Muslims have been on going since the crusades maybe even before, all the propaganda both groups have being spreading in all that time just add's to the problem and makes a resolution very difficult. |
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| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you wonder why there are so many similarities between Islam and Christianity...well, here's your answer~ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22157434 [link to www.youtube.com] I know that video. I find it strange to believe because Islam appeared before the Orthodox Church splits into Orthodox and Roman Catholic and before the Vatican City even established. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Islam Jesus (Isa) was a messenger of God and was given the ability to perform miracles, such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life etc., all by the permission of God not by his own power. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22604343 And of course, he was a Muslim. Those who have put their faith in the word of men, defined as the word of God have placed their faith in a fallacy not in God. Ill assume you are referring to Quran 2:79 as a verse where the Koran says the canon of the Bible is corrupted, "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!" My question is: If this verse refers to the corruption of the Bible, then why did Muhammad command Christians to follow the Bible they possessed in 600 AD in Quran 2:89; 7:157? And is this the only verse in the Koran that says the Bible is corrupt? (see also Quran 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If all Muslim's must reject the crucifixion of Christ based on the Koran and all Christians must reject Muhammad as a prophet based on the Bible, my question is: on exactly what basis do you believe Christianity and Islam are compatible religions? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21990535 United States08/26/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, right... They love Jesus so very much that they wrote "God does not beget and has not begotten" on the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem which, in case you can't recognize, is an explicit denial of the Jesus Christ of the New Testament. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So i guess they love Jesus when they are not busy honor killing someone or stoning rape victims to death? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20952020 Why do we always go for the extremes? Do you think that Christians who lash their kids or lock them in a closets are any better than that? How many Christians will murder someone this very night? For money, for power, for adultery? Or rape someone? Turn on TV man. Turn off TV man.  |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). My bible is in Serbian. And it was answered above. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). My bible is in Serbian. And it was answered above. He said what you stated above Luke 23:34 (KJV) 34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. He also said Matthew 27:46-47 (KJV) 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Was it as the bible states Eli or as muslims claim Allah? |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). My bible is in Serbian. And it was answered above. He said what you stated above Luke 23:34 (KJV) 34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. He also said Matthew 27:46-47 (KJV) 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Was it as the bible states Eli or as muslims claim Allah? Sorry I am late... The storm is about to begin... Matthew 27:46-47 - ILI, ILI (Serbian version meaning God, God) but it could be also mistaken with nick of Illias (male name - I am bad with English biblical terms) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19766215 United States08/26/2012 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). He was quoting Psalms 22. [link to mobile.biblegateway.com] |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im askIng honest questions here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 If all Muslim's must reject the crucifixion of Christ based on the Koran and all Christians must reject Muhammad as a prophet based on the Bible, my question is: on exactly what basis do you believe Christianity and Islam are compatible religions? Please read the OP - you'll find your answer there. If nothing - Muslim believe Jesus is Messiah. And Christians and Muslims are awaiting the same One. |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). He was quoting Psalms 22. [link to mobile.biblegateway.com] There too! TY. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). My bible is in Serbian. And it was answered above. He said what you stated above Luke 23:34 (KJV) 34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. He also said Matthew 27:46-47 (KJV) 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Was it as the bible states Eli or as muslims claim Allah? Sorry I am late... The storm is about to begin... Matthew 27:46-47 - ILI, ILI (Serbian version meaning God, God) but it could be also mistaken with nick of Illias (male name - I am bad with English biblical terms) I cant tell you how many Muslims have said personally to me that he said Allah instead of Eli. Regardless of what he said, it flies in the face of Islam because the Koran says he was never crucified. Therefore when a muslim makes this argument it is illogical to argue that he said either from the cross. Which brings me to my next question. The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place, therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. My question is: how can you escape the idea that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of Allah? |
| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muslims deny the deity of Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 Even I can admit that Mohammed was Islam's founder and prophet. However that doesnt mean I believe what he said was truth. Jesus said "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me". Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen he father". That said I have a question. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but muslims argue Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani". Which do you think is accurately recorded? This hasnt been answered yet. Allah or Eli (hebrew for father). He was quoting Psalms 22. [link to mobile.biblegateway.com] There too! TY. Also in Mark 15.34 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151737 United States08/26/2012 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im askIng honest questions here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1151737 If all Muslim's must reject the crucifixion of Christ based on the Koran and all Christians must reject Muhammad as a prophet based on the Bible, my question is: on exactly what basis do you believe Christianity and Islam are compatible religions? Please read the OP - you'll find your answer there. If nothing - Muslim believe Jesus is Messiah. And Christians and Muslims are awaiting the same One. The whole idea of Christianity is Man born into sin due to the fall of Adam Christ fulfilling the law by living a perfect sinless life Then dying on the cross to pay our sin debt as the ultimiate final sacrifice Then rising from thw grave thereby conquering death for us. If Islam doesnt believe in the fall of Adam or that Christ died on the cross then they dont even believe the tip of the iceberg when it comes to christianity. There are only two religions on earth and they are the same two that have always been here. Salvation by grace through faith. And salvation through works. Islam is works. Catholicism is works. True christianity is basd on faith. I think what you mean when you say Christianity is Catholicism. Catholicism is pagan polytheistic sun worship. See [link to www.youtube.com] |
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| Démodé (OP) User ID: 20502104 Serbia08/26/2012 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He said what you stated above Luke 23:34 (KJV) 34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. He also said Matthew 27:46-47 (KJV) 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Was it as the bible states Eli or as muslims claim Allah? Sorry I am late... The storm is about to begin... Matthew 27:46-47 - ILI, ILI (Serbian version meaning God, God) but it could be also mistaken with nick of Illias (male name - I am bad with English biblical terms) I cant tell you how many Muslims have said personally to me that he said Allah instead of Eli. Regardless of what he said, it flies in the face of Islam because the Koran says he was never crucified. Therefore when a muslim makes this argument it is illogical to argue that he said either from the cross. Which brings me to my next question. The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place, therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. My question is: how can you escape the idea that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of Allah? I'd ask you something, but no hard feelings please. Is there difference between Allah, God, JHWH, Yahwe, Got, Bog, Dieu? Wht's the Aramic for "God"? [link to www.hebrew4christians.com] |
