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Calling all Iconoclasts... Enter. The Truth of Our Origins.

 
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I studied several near death experience cases. In these cases people are coming across veridical information.

This is highly important. In these near death experiences, people will come across highly detailed and specific information, that was impossible to know about, but, that was later proven to be true down to the exact details after the NDE.

This proves the experience wasn't imagined, or merely a construct of the subconscious. Nor can chemical processes, explain, how they came across this veridical information.

When you piece all this information together, a reality of another dimension is revealed. This dimension, is described by only one religious book, the Bible.
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No. I practice spirituality more than any science.

All NDE's Ive read about, and had myself. Point to
the reality of Oneness, and reincarnation.

Heaven and Hell are what your subconscious mind creates
upon leaving the body. If you live a life of evil
service to self over others. You will only experience
your fears amidst waddling through the void.

However, You live a life of profound unconditional love,
you give more than take, and you are generally a loving
entity, The joys and adventures your soul will partake in
is just absolute beauty. Until you choose to incarnate
again.

I meditate, astral project, do Maharac sheild envisions...
It all points to the true God. Which is "Source" or
the "spirit" or "soul" of the Universe.

Every conscious thing in the universe, sees through
every conscious thing in the universe, Upon being loving,
and sensing God's omnipresence. You are unconditionally
tapping into the love shared by the entire universe.

The answer to the Great Question. "Why are we here?"

To love and create.

:love:
 Quoting: Heretic_333


Yes, many NDE, do point to a oneness, but if this is all you study you will mistakenly assume this.

Your assumption is false for a reason. There's three NDE, that was experienced by children. All three children went to heaven. In addition all three came across veridical information. This is strong evidence, that their experience wasn't merely imagined.

Now, these three kids were then revealed more info about the afterlife. What they found, that both heaven and hell exists.
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Hold on man, How would loving children describe something
so complex I have a hard time explaining it.

Of course they would use the only conceivable frame
of reference they know which is this "Heaven" they
heard about.


I dont study all NDE's that relate to one thing.

ALL NDE's relate to karmic oneness.

What is the reason I am false?

And yes they said heaven and hell exists. I also
say that. But its not the biblical illustrations
people have been drawing for thousands of years.

The more evil you are, the more unattached you are
to Oneness, the more unpleasant that state can be.

The more you love, care and protect, the more divine,
righteous, and amazing your experience will be.
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Veridical informaton, once again proves your explanation is obviously incorrect.
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Good post but a waste of your time to be honest. The bottom line is that the story changes as we move forward and always will.

Religion holds us back in the search for the truth, mainly for profit and control reasons.

Science from what ive seen has the balls to move with discovery and change its theorys.

Ive alwasy been a free thinker, in a way an outsider to both sides, giving me the luxury to form opinions from all inputs from my surroundings.

All i have ever seen is Religion causing pain and suffering whilst science is left to pick up the peices. Billions killed in the name of benevolent caring Gods, that one line just tells you whats wrong with religion.

You cans say the same about science, it has made it possible to kill on mass at the flick of a switch, but also to save on mass in its medical breakthroughs.

If i was to chose between one or the other to show us the way and to take us forward it would be science. Only for the reason take it strives for discovery and knowledge, whereas Religion still tries to controll the mind with archaic beliefs.
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Why do we have 5 fingers on each hand? What do we use them for? The little finger? What's it's purpose?
Why do so many species have 5 "fingers" too? Why not 4 or 6?
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How is that related to the evolution or the other theories
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We need opposing thumbs and whatnot.

Why this why that. I hope I made some of you
realize that we were a "quick fix" to a problem.

Were like the "Jerry" rig to a planetary problem. Lol.

People see evil in this. I say..

I would allow myself to be enhanced by DNA from the stars,
to help save a species in the billions, to one day fix
myself, and most likely commit the very same deed in an
understood natural way of life in the universe.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Yep that's what I was asking
Who knows - we might be bacteria from some as torpid that crashed into earth 250 thousand years ago
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Or we might be a very small particles from a giant organism.
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Technically yes.

But If you mean like "what if all
the planets and stars in the universe are the
particles and atoms of a creature" then that
was so 20 years ago. In like second grade.
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20 years is nothing. And the earth was flat years ago. I mean-at a subatomic level we are one and the same with the whole universe. Humans, animals, stars, planets...we are connected.
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Or we might be a very small particles from a giant organism.
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Technically yes.

But If you mean like "what if all
the planets and stars in the universe are the
particles and atoms of a creature" then that
was so 20 years ago. In like second grade.
 Quoting: Heretic_333


Asteroid Not as torid
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what?
 Quoting: Heretic_333


My original post said as torpid - was meant to say asteroid
It is a lot easier to lie when you are the only one who knows the truth than it is to find the truth when all you know is lies.

Remember people the revolution starts with you.
Sorry my mistake.
Revolution starts with R.
Change begins with.....nope that begins with C
Hold on I am sure I will get this.
Progress begin....damn.

Oh I got it
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If they are so much superior to us and so technologically advanced why the hell could't they come up with an easier way to mine gold? why didn't they genetically engineer a being more suitable for digging, seeing, and living underground in the gold mines? there would be far better choices for drone miners. why didn't they just say fuck this we're moving to earth? too many holes in everyones theories/guesses.
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Well the most reasonable reason I've heard for that is they couldn't take all that equipment with them. So, they needed to enlist the help of a local population.

To the genetic engineering part. Who knows? Maybe they tried and failed miserably. It wasn't possible with the ape brain to make it see in the dark.

The third possibility is. Maybe mining gold wasn't the only thing they set out to do. They were looking for more of a "Swiss army" species that could perform multiple tasks for them.
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Thanks for replying. those seem like plausible scenarios. But the one I keep coming back too is why didn't they just move here? I don't remember reading anywhere that they didn't breathe oxygen, been interested in the summerian legends for years.
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Well "why didn't they just move here?" Depending on who you ask, they did. Have you ever heard of all the underground alien bases? All the UFO sightings? All the light people who make predictions about the return of the Zetas.

My thought on the matter is, were a dangerous species. Also we have a wicked ego. I think the aliens know it wouldn't be in their best interests to descend down in front of the UN or the White House, and tell the people of the earth the truth. As a species we're not mature enough for that yet.
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When you start talking about underground bases, I think thats another fork in the road. like the phil shnieder dude? interesting stories but no meat to go with the potatoes. possible yes but no tangible evidence. then you get into the greys, reptillians, etc. I definitely don't want to get into the light bringers/zeta bs. as for ufo's I think 90% are misidentified military aircraft. I do think we could handle the truth but it wouldn't be as grand as we have envisioned.
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Well the most reasonable reason I've heard for that is they couldn't take all that equipment with them. So, they needed to enlist the help of a local population.

To the genetic engineering part. Who knows? Maybe they tried and failed miserably. It wasn't possible with the ape brain to make it see in the dark.

The third possibility is. Maybe mining gold wasn't the only thing they set out to do. They were looking for more of a "Swiss army" species that could perform multiple tasks for them.
 Quoting: reversefiction


Thanks for replying. those seem like plausible scenarios. But the one I keep coming back too is why didn't they just move here? I don't remember reading anywhere that they didn't breathe oxygen, been interested in the summerian legends for years.
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Well "why didn't they just move here?" Depending on who you ask, they did. Have you ever heard of all the underground alien bases? All the UFO sightings? All the light people who make predictions about the return of the Zetas.

My thought on the matter is, were a dangerous species. Also we have a wicked ego. I think the aliens know it wouldn't be in their best interests to descend down in front of the UN or the White House, and tell the people of the earth the truth. As a species we're not mature enough for that yet.
 Quoting: reversefiction

When you start talking about underground bases, I think thats another fork in the road. like the phil shnieder dude? interesting stories but no meat to go with the potatoes. possible yes but no tangible evidence. then you get into the greys, reptillians, etc. I definitely don't want to get into the light bringers/zeta bs. as for ufo's I think 90% are misidentified military aircraft. I do think we could handle the truth but it wouldn't be as grand as we have envisioned.
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I realize that man... My point was to answer your question on why aren't they still here. My answer is depends on who you ask.
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Awesome and brilliant. Great read, thanks
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Thanks for replying. those seem like plausible scenarios. But the one I keep coming back too is why didn't they just move here? I don't remember reading anywhere that they didn't breathe oxygen, been interested in the summerian legends for years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14083131


Well "why didn't they just move here?" Depending on who you ask, they did. Have you ever heard of all the underground alien bases? All the UFO sightings? All the light people who make predictions about the return of the Zetas.

My thought on the matter is, were a dangerous species. Also we have a wicked ego. I think the aliens know it wouldn't be in their best interests to descend down in front of the UN or the White House, and tell the people of the earth the truth. As a species we're not mature enough for that yet.
 Quoting: reversefiction

When you start talking about underground bases, I think thats another fork in the road. like the phil shnieder dude? interesting stories but no meat to go with the potatoes. possible yes but no tangible evidence. then you get into the greys, reptillians, etc. I definitely don't want to get into the light bringers/zeta bs. as for ufo's I think 90% are misidentified military aircraft. I do think we could handle the truth but it wouldn't be as grand as we have envisioned.
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I realize that man... My point was to answer your question on why aren't they still here. My answer is depends on who you ask.
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10-4 good buddy
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No. I practice spirituality more than any science.

All NDE's Ive read about, and had myself. Point to
the reality of Oneness, and reincarnation.

Heaven and Hell are what your subconscious mind creates
upon leaving the body. If you live a life of evil
service to self over others. You will only experience
your fears amidst waddling through the void.

However, You live a life of profound unconditional love,
you give more than take, and you are generally a loving
entity, The joys and adventures your soul will partake in
is just absolute beauty. Until you choose to incarnate
again.

I meditate, astral project, do Maharac sheild envisions...
It all points to the true God. Which is "Source" or
the "spirit" or "soul" of the Universe.

Every conscious thing in the universe, sees through
every conscious thing in the universe, Upon being loving,
and sensing God's omnipresence. You are unconditionally
tapping into the love shared by the entire universe.

The answer to the Great Question. "Why are we here?"

To love and create.

love
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Yes, many NDE, do point to a oneness, but if this is all you study you will mistakenly assume this.

Your assumption is false for a reason. There's three NDE, that was experienced by children. All three children went to heaven. In addition all three came across veridical information. This is strong evidence, that their experience wasn't merely imagined.

Now, these three kids were then revealed more info about the afterlife. What they found, that both heaven and hell exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22746382


Hold on man, How would loving children describe something
so complex I have a hard time explaining it.

Of course they would use the only conceivable frame
of reference they know which is this "Heaven" they
heard about.


I dont study all NDE's that relate to one thing.

ALL NDE's relate to karmic oneness.

What is the reason I am false?

And yes they said heaven and hell exists. I also
say that. But its not the biblical illustrations
people have been drawing for thousands of years.

The more evil you are, the more unattached you are
to Oneness, the more unpleasant that state can be.

The more you love, care and protect, the more divine,
righteous, and amazing your experience will be.
 Quoting: Heretic_333


Veridical informaton, once again proves your explanation is obviously incorrect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22746382


Truthful information? Did you use a wrong word?

Anyhow If I am obviously incorrect, it doesn't matter.

I live a life of peace and love, my spark of
consciousness strives to improve our understanding
of the universe. So that we may better world peace.
Our next step is to prove aliens exist, (which I am
working on now, very diligently I might add) discuss
their belief systems, and if possible learn from
them. Evil or malevolent beings are generally hive
minded, and leach off of our naivety.

If a shark bit your leg, the shark is not evil...

You had a leg, it was a shark... sometimes you really
can't condone what Evil truly is.

I like the term "Service to self"

Now benevolent beings I am 100% positive exist under
a common ground of spirituality. They live to help
and ensure ascension, and ask nicely for the "Service
to self guys to please mind their own business.

Moral of the story, I am sure both of us are going to
our own "Heaven". But my heaven still allows me to
pursue knowledge and wisdom. I gre up catholic, I still
remember my sleep paralysis nights, I remember the
fear of God gripping me when I asked questions to
no one in particular.

I am free of that now, and now that I am free, I feel
I generally love everything more unconditionally.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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Genesis 2

King James Version (KJV)

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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Yep that's what I was asking
Who knows - we might be bacteria from some as torpid that crashed into earth 250 thousand years ago
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Or we might be a very small particles from a giant organism.
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Technically yes.

But If you mean like "what if all
the planets and stars in the universe are the
particles and atoms of a creature" then that
was so 20 years ago. In like second grade.
 Quoting: Heretic_333

20 years is nothing. And the earth was flat years ago. I mean-at a subatomic level we are one and the same with the whole universe. Humans, animals, stars, planets...we are connected.
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I meant 20 years ago (in 2nd grade) I wondered if
I was a white blood cell in another beings body.
(biologically) lol

Like you just made clear, what if we are the protons
(in ex.) to an omnipotent gargantuan consciousness.

That my friend is called Oneness.

Everything in the universe was created at the same time,
from the same light and sound.

We Are One. =)
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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I generally respond to any comment, but please guys,
can we limit the Religion and spirituality?

This thread is about disproving Primate Evolution.
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I've seen Lloyd's presentations and he does a good job laying out the fossil records. What hurts his theory the most is the lack of 'bigfoot' remains/bones. We should have found something by now. Hope we can get some substantial proof soon!!! I have never believed in darwin's version of things.
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next time use notepad and save often. then copy paste.
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Genesis 2

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24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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All creation stories come from the Sumerian Creation Epic.

The Enuma E'lish.

6 tablets of Action. 1 Tablet of Summation.

THE FIRST TABLET

When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven,

FFW to THE SIXTH TABLET

When Marduk heard the word of the gods,
His heart prompted him and he devised a cunning plan.
He opened his mouth and unto Ea he spake
That which he had conceived in his heart he imparted unto him:
"My blood will I take and bone will I fashion
I will make man, that man may
I will create man who shall inhabit the earth,
That the service of the gods may be established, and that their shrines may be built.


Anyways, nearly all creation stories, including
genesis of the Bible, are merely loosely translated
Ancient Babylonian.

The 10,000 year old Sumerian Creation Epic, is actually
telling the story of our Cosmogony.

Look in the OP, everything under "The Dawn of Sumer"
I note several of the world's most puzzling astronomical
and geological questions being answered by the ancient
texts most civilizations base their beginnings on.

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A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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I generally respond to any comment, but please guys,
can we limit the Religion and spirituality?

This thread is about disproving Primate Evolution.
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I've seen Lloyd's presentations and he does a good job laying out the fossil records. What hurts his theory the most is the lack of 'bigfoot' remains/bones. We should have found something by now. Hope we can get some substantial proof soon!!! I have never believed in darwin's version of things.
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Search GLP "The Truth of Our Origins" I have one post
dedicated to the whereabouts of Bigfoot.

The Panda analogy, (pandas were mythological creatures
till "Teddy" Roosevelt and his sons killed one sport
hunting accidentally, after researchers gave up after
60 years of government funded expeditions)

The patterson film breakdown, (and why there is no way
it can be someone in a suit)

The Zanna story, (A few people in their 90's in Russia,
claim to have had one as a slave, and it had kids, to
which one of them were dug up, but anthropologists
simply state "its just an extreme variation of the
human norm" )

The Minnesota iceman..

Also why cant we find bones? Some people don't even realize
that there is not a singe fossilized bone of a chimpanzee
in the world today. (having to do with ecological niches)

How we only inhabit 40% of the worlds landmass.

"were humans! we are masters of all we survey!"

But 20% of United States has not once been foot surveyed.

I can go on and on. They share the planet with us.

And once one is brought it, and is compared to "prehuman"
bones, the scientific community is in for a massive
rude awakening.

It will mean Humans do not have a physical place in
the natural scheme of life on Earth.

That like the problem geneticists came across ( that
we genetically don't exist 260k years ago) we just
suddenly appeared.

That what if all that crap the first ever civilization
was saying aren't in fact myths?

What if we were created?
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Or we might be a very small particles from a giant organism.
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Technically yes.

But If you mean like "what if all
the planets and stars in the universe are the
particles and atoms of a creature" then that
was so 20 years ago. In like second grade.
 Quoting: Heretic_333

20 years is nothing. And the earth was flat years ago. I mean-at a subatomic level we are one and the same with the whole universe. Humans, animals, stars, planets...we are connected.
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I meant 20 years ago (in 2nd grade) I wondered if
I was a white blood cell in another beings body.
(biologically) lol

Like you just made clear, what if we are the protons
(in ex.) to an omnipotent gargantuan consciousness.

That my friend is called Oneness.

Everything in the universe was created at the same time,
from the same light and sound.

We Are One. =)
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cheers
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I didn't understand some of it, but by god that is some interesting shit right there!
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I don't know if I can ever portray what truley boggles
my mind, so please listen to what I have to say glp.

Through the endless gauntlet of hurricanes, near death
experiences, freak deletions of my posts, I will try
To provide GLP with a very important origins post.

Please understand how much I have went though to create this.

I more than likely will lose power in less than 48 hrs.

In posts like this I generally brush people up
On what's accepted, then show proof of contradiction.

With the wind increasing in velocity, and decreasing
in temperature, I will get straight to the point.

Everything you know is WRONG.

The government is corrupt.

Science is invalid.

And religion is irrational.


Focus. Truth Seeker...


When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard

An emotional plague afflicts people whose belief
systems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts and
become enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs.
Wilhelm Reich

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
Ron Paul


For every PhD., there is an equal and opposite PhD.
Gibson’s Law

Anyone can pilot an improbability, but it takes a special
touch to fly and safely land an absurdity.
Kurt Kuzba

A genius is someone who aims at a target no one else
can see—and hits it!
Anthony Quinn

The main purpose of science is to investigate the
unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated.
Dr. Stephen Rorke

You can sum up the entirety of this document as being
the answer to the question.. "If Bigfoot exists, along
with 3 other types, then if all 4 early "prehuman"
bones belong to them
... How did we get here?

PLEASE NOTE:

We supposedly evolved from four types of "prehumans"

Now, thousands of reports every year from all
over the world make very clear 4 pertinent
distinctions in the appearance of these
bipedal hair covered creatures.

Let me be very clear... This contradiction has
the potential to bring everything we know about
Primate Evolution to a bone jarring, teeth shattering
halt.

Hominoids are one of two “fantasy” creatures
that can dismantle Evolutionary Theory in one
fell swoop (off-world aliens are the other).
The day a hominoid is presented to the world
for analysis—dead or alive—is the day science
can no longer prop up its evolutionary dogma.
When macroevolution clatters into history’s
dustbin, Divine Creation and Intelligent Design
will follow right behind it. Intervention Theory
will become the most plausible explanation for
how humans and all life came to be on Earth.

The supreme arrogance of religious thinking is that a
carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of ironsilicate
dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor
galaxy in an unfashionable suburb of (our) supercluster
would look up at the sky and declare: “It was all made
so that I could exist!”

Peter Walker

Statements made by alternative researchers like
me are automatically contradicted by scientists
insisting we are not simply wrong, but stupidly
wrong. They further insist we have no right to
challenge their cherished beliefs because our
only “credentials” are an unwarranted faith in
our ability to discern truth from nonsense.

[This doesn’t refer to all scientists. Some still
willingly risk reputation and security to explore
topics that defy dogma. However, they are few.]
Every point I discuss is supported by facts in
available research, but I am often criticized by
skeptics. Why? Because the issues I discuss are
long-lived sacred cows to mainstream sciences.

Creationists of all kinds, which includes the
smarter, more reasonable, and typically
wellcredentialed Intelligent Design proponents,
insist the only answer to questions about the
origins of life or humans is: “God did it!”

Darwinists of all stripes insist with equal zeal
that their pet theory of evolution best explains
how life originated. Their 150-year-old dogma
asserts: “It just happened—poof!—like magic!”
After the magic moment when life kick-started
itself into existence, it initiated a self-contained
and imperceptibly slow-but-steady growth into
ever more complex forms, until those reached
the apex of an arduous climb—humanity.

In contrast, Interventionists like me and my hero
Lloyd Pye, anchor our search for origins on
evidence rather than faith, on logic rather
than magic. We don’t think that God did it,
or that life spontaneously generated.

For us, evidence and logic point to the same
“outside intervention” Intelligent Designers
see. However, where they feel the only outside
source of intervention must be God (whom they
are careful to not mention by name), we suggest
another, bolder explanation: “They did it!”

Who are “They”? The currently favored term is
Aliens—non-human, non-Earth-based entities.
With Lloyd Pye's permission to cliff most
of his material, I will try to make a valid
point... That we, as a species are in
fact an oddball of mother nature.

The sad truth is that in every field of science,
Young Turks have to serve their leaders when
those leaders are the oldest, crustiest, and most
conservative members of the field. Then, when
those old “defenders of the faith” die out, what
were once Young Turks take over for them and
are forced to defend the same bankrupt faith.

Now, what about the origin of life? When did it
occur? How did it occur? The mainstream gives
two options and rejects a third:

(1) They accept as a possibility Undirected Panspermia.
This is the idea that life “drifts” across space carried
on asteroids or meteors that crashed into Earth.

(2) They support the idea that life originates by
Spontaneous Generation. This idea is that life
was created by sheer chance when a lightning
bolt struck a “warm pond” (a term coined by
Charles Darwin) filled with what came to be
called “primordial soup,” a form of witches’
brew containing the “building blocks” of life.

Experts insist that somehow, someway, those
original molecules managed to spontaneously
reassemble into ever more complex molecules
that somehow, someway, formed themselves
into the single cells of the earliest life forms.

The fact that spontaneous self-assembly into
complex molecules does not happen now, nor
can it be forced to happen in coherent patterns
in the most sophisticated laboratories on Earth,
should be an indication that this theory, like the
gravity-based one of cosmologists, needs work.
British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle summed up
the problem neatly when he said the likelihood
of a lightning bolt striking water to assemble
simple molecules into a life form was equal to
the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a
junkyard and correctly assembling a jetliner.

The third option, which the mainstream rejects,
is Directed Panspermia,
which is similar to
undirected Panspermia, except that the first life
forms were guided here by higher intelligence.
Thus, the mainstream hangs its hat on a miracle
worthy of God when a lightning bolt struck the
“primordial soup” to forge basic molecules into
simple life—or on a similarly unlikely miracle
that simple life forms came here on meteors.
The lightning-bolt-hits-primordial-soup theory
is still taught around the world, but not because
mainstream scientists regard it seriously. They
know as well as anyone how absurd it sounds.

Unfortunately, they have no choice but to fake
conviction about it because they have no other
theory to take its place. Some few scientists do
admit they have no plausible idea, but most of
them insist on riding the same old lame horse.
Like the equations of the cosmologists, which
required “miracles” to make sense, the same is
true for biologists. The same kinds of miracles
are fudge-factored in to explain life, when they
have answers that are as easy to grasp as the
difference between gravity and electricity.

In the same way cosmologists stick with the
mistake of gravity, biology’s mistake, the core
of its ossified dogma, is that every aspect of life
on Earth must be accounted for in a “natural”
manner, in strictly terrestrial terms. To explain
life by using “outside” factors is unacceptable,
so alternate ideas are automatically discounted.

Its like the "Guilty until proven Innocent" of science.

Despite automatic rejection, alternative ideas
for the origin of life make a much stronger case
than biological dogma. Such ideas also hew far
more closely to the actual facts of life than do
the fantasies created by imaginative scientists.
Life did not start by accident when lightning
struck a warm pond of primordial soup. Its start
was so unlikely, experts can’t begin to explain
it rationally, so rather than try...

they obscure it. Any way they can.

The Dawn of Sumer.

The first great city of the Human species.

The Darwinian paradigm of simplicity, which
leads to ever more complexity, states that we
should be crawling out of the caves on bloody
hands and knees thousands of years ago. This
doesn't appear to be the case... We come sailing
out and build lavish cities. 1000's of world
firsts... First high-rise buildings, walls,
roads, wheeled vehicles, ocean going vessels,
agriculture, animal husbandry, laws, education,
schools, court systems, and the only one mainstream
gives them credit for which is literature.

We are all taught we come from the Egyptians, Greeks,
and Romans. It is clear they are all byproducts
of Sumer. We are only told the people of Sumer
invent writing, and case closed. They never speak
or teach about the things they wrote, or how
sophisticated they really were, because it doesn't
fit the current model of our progression of
intelligence. Even though things like their decimal
system called sexagesimal, is clearly more advanced
than ours when dealing with very large and small
numbers.

So in the late 1800's when we were translating
what these guys had to say, the "myth" pile had
gotten larger and larger. A man named Zechariah
Sitchin, who we all know went about his work in an
all or nothing fashion asked the great question...

"Who hands the myth to the first civilization"

In the 50's he jumped into the myth pile and published
a dozen books labeled the Earth Chronicles Series.

For all of you who just seen the name Sitchin, and
have your paste of the link sitchiniswrong.com
ready to post, I humbly request you provide yourself
an opportunity for advancement, and at least read
what I have to say before jumping to conclusions.

Lloyd Pye's Defense Of Sitchin.

Anyone who says Zecharia Sitchin is a fraud or mistaken in his translations of Sumerian texts, or anything in that vein, is busily grinding a heavily worn axe. They base all of their complaints on the fact that in certain key areas of the Sumerian writings, he deviates markedly from the "classical" translations, the vast majority of which were completed before 1947, before the terms "UFO" or "alien" came into common usage.

When the early translators came upon passages that could have been and should have been interpreted the way Sitchin interpreted them, they had no conceivable frame of reference for such terminology. Thus, they shoehorned it to fit into their own restricted world views, and because this nonsense was created by "experts" of that time, modern experts have inevitably been brainwashed by their education process to believe that no other translation is needed, much less preferable.

This intellectual claptrap has become established as the "preferred" and "accepted" translations that critics claim Stichin should have respected and stuck with in the way they are obligated to do. Sitchin rightly jettisoned the nonsense and translated the texts more like they were actually written, calling an alien an alien, so to speak, and this gross offense to modern academic sensibilities is what classic scholars considera sacrilege to their mindset.

I have no doubt that, in the fullness of time, historians will consider Zecharia Sitchin vastly more correct than any mainstream pundit in alive at this moment. Why? Because modern scholars endure years of intense training to consider the work of prior scholars sancrosanct, which turns out a virtual army of close-minded sycophants who, ultimately, will be dismissed as the laughable fools they are.

That being said, today we will go over the origins
of life from the Sumerian perspective. They have
many things they wrote about, but their story of
our cosmology at around 4 billion years ago is very
interesting to say the least. They had our Solar
system documented with Pluto as a moon of Saturn,
A planet called Tiamat in the asteroid belt area,
and the big no-no of shills everywhere, Nibiru,
who is captured by the sun in an elliptical 3600 year
clockwise orbit like a comet.

The Enuma E'Lish. The 6 tablets of action, 1 tablet
of summation,(Taken by many as the 6 days of creation
and the one day of rest) plausibly answers at least
a half of dozen great mysteries surrounding our cosmogony.

A planet going clockwise opposed to our counterclockwise
neighborhood has the potential of some serious Doom
folks. Although they describe Nibiru knocking into
Tiamat at one point in time, its last several passings
have been further and further away. So no I don't side
with the Nibiru Doom gang, but I am going to say that
the collision itself answers a lot of questions surrounding
modern astronomy and Earth geology.

In the collision of planets Nibiru and Tiamat, Nibiru
due to it being, colder, larger, and older, it held
itself together. Meanwhile Tiamat was torn in half, but not
completely obliterated. Just cracked open like an eggshell.

Those very few moments answers several of the most
puzzling questions known to man.

The asteroid belt. Volumes of inner viscous magma seeped
out and established what the Sumerians called the "hammered
bracelet" and Tiamat having been illustrated being
originally positioned in the crux of the asteroid belt,
we can simply postulate the collision knocked it into
a new orbit, leaving all the magma to cool and solidify
into what we know call the asteroid belt.

Comets. In a linear solar system, where the
primordial cloud of dust and gas flattens out into
a pancake, comets have no right to come from all over
the place. Mainstreamers may speak of the Oort cloud,
but that is the biggest joke out there (no pun intended), because comets are made of water. You don't make water
in the middle of a vacuum. You make water being a
cooling, condensing planet. The collision described
in the epic answers how they were removed out into
the solar system.

Tectonic plates. The lighter outer crust being
torn off, and half of the planet oozing out its bowels,
we all know what happens to liquids in a vacuum. It makes
the smallest tightest ball it can. So you now hopefully
have a new perspective on why we have moving plates, just
imagine the Earth not completely solidified from the
initial collision around 4 billion years ago.

Pluto. You all heard we're downgrading the planetoid.
It also shares the same fate of comets, it is 17 degrees
off of the ecliptic. NOTHING should be off of the ecliptic.
The Epic illustrated Pluto being a moon of Saturn, till
it was whisked away during Nibiru's approach to the inner
solar system.

Jesus this only took 5 hrs..

The more I try perfecting my "Truth of Our Origins"
series, the further and further away to completion.

During this post alone, I completed the final draft,
only to press the shift button for my internet to
close without reason, losing my entire post.

I also started a second copy which was also deleted
due to me spilling my drink all over my laptop because
of a freak lightning strike.

Even now I am writing this post via cellphone because
my I Internet simply does not work any more.

Basically the importance of this thread, which I find
absolute, is going through the worst symptoms
of diminishing returns I have ever witnessed, let alone
created. Having redo-ed almost 5 times, in shorter more
mediocre paragraphs, I have pulled out all the stops,
finishing this on my phone.

I will finish upgrading this post later.
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very powerful
thank you
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Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story.
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[link to lloydpye.com]
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Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story.
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[link to lloydpye.com]
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If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Sometimes we need to accept the truth of mankinds puerile nature. Accept there are things we do not know.

The secrets of death do not rest beyond the grave. They are hidden within you alive.


I follow a very simple yet powerful "religion".......do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
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Someone left me a negative karma "babbling fool"

I mean what is a conspiracy site designed to do?

be a bunch of babbling bumbling band of baboons?
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Sometimes we need to accept the truth of mankinds puerile nature. Accept there are things we do not know.

The secrets of death do not rest beyond the grave. They are hidden within you alive.


I follow a very simple yet powerful "religion".......do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


I don't know if doing my best is not worrying about
origins and stuff like that, but I think it is.

Learning of our origins, can open up new avenues for
us as a stellar race. My "best" is bettering my species.

and I don't believe in personal fate. I mean, stuff
like, the fate of the sun is to die in a few
billion years, etc.

But life is what you make it.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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I generally respond to any comment, but please guys,
can we limit the Religion and spirituality?

This thread is about disproving Primate Evolution.
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I've seen Lloyd's presentations and he does a good job laying out the fossil records. What hurts his theory the most is the lack of 'bigfoot' remains/bones. We should have found something by now. Hope we can get some substantial proof soon!!! I have never believed in darwin's version of things.
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Search GLP "The Truth of Our Origins" I have one post
dedicated to the whereabouts of Bigfoot.

The Panda analogy, (pandas were mythological creatures
till "Teddy" Roosevelt and his sons killed one sport
hunting accidentally, after researchers gave up after
60 years of government funded expeditions)

The patterson film breakdown, (and why there is no way
it can be someone in a suit)

The Zanna story, (A few people in their 90's in Russia,
claim to have had one as a slave, and it had kids, to
which one of them were dug up, but anthropologists
simply state "its just an extreme variation of the
human norm" )

The Minnesota iceman..

Also why cant we find bones? Some people don't even realize
that there is not a singe fossilized bone of a chimpanzee
in the world today. (having to do with ecological niches)

How we only inhabit 40% of the worlds landmass.

"were humans! we are masters of all we survey!"

But 20% of United States has not once been foot surveyed.

I can go on and on. They share the planet with us.

And once one is brought it, and is compared to "prehuman"
bones, the scientific community is in for a massive
rude awakening.

It will mean Humans do not have a physical place in
the natural scheme of life on Earth.

That like the problem geneticists came across ( that
we genetically don't exist 260k years ago) we just
suddenly appeared.

That what if all that crap the first ever civilization
was saying aren't in fact myths?

What if we were created?
 Quoting: Heretic_333

I have seen Lloyd's video you don't have to quote it word for word. With that being said I still belive we should have found some substantial proof by now. The panda story is old, the russian story is interesting but it was too long ago for DNA analysis. I dont expect a complete fossil record of bigfoot will be found. I do think that there would be circumstances that would yeild some remains be it an ill-faited run in with a big grizzly bear or one dying of old age. Unless they always bury their own in un-marked graves and none of them die alone. Some hunter should have found a bone or two by now. At least as the american bigfoot is concerned. I hope they do exist, but only time will tell.
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Interesting post and yes their is something wrong with all the theories on how we got here. But it will always go back to the old "chicken or the egg thing" as to what came first.

So if ET's made us and put us here, which I feel is entirely plausible, then where did they come from and who made them? You see we keep going back to the chicken or egg thing. I am not saying not to search for the truth. It just seems out of my grasp at the present. If you are looking at it from a scientific point of view, however, I understand important it is to explore all possibilities.

One day I was walking my dog and it just hit me that we human beings stick out like a sore thumb on this planet, like we really do not belong here. We are so out of synch with the rest of nature it's not funny. Our emotional problems are vast and appear to be worsening. The rest of nature appears to be in a sacred balance except that we humans have been f**king it up along with ourselves for centuries. Indigenous peoples seemed to live w/in the bounds of nature, however, it would appear that mostly the Anglophile world did not like that and hence they eradicated most of them.

The only spiritual solution I can come to for myself is to go within and find the truth, not of where we came from or who made us because I think that is out of my grasp at the present, but merely that I trust in this process. For myself I need to seek the truth, try and do the right thing and have faith in the process and believe that there is a higher purpose for my existence here on planet earth and this I do believe.

Thanks for all your efforts.
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