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Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya

 
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Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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08/27/2012 08:01 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
He cannot be from not the United States and be president. So, he'd have to GTFO of office. Biden would finish his term.
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08/27/2012 08:02 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
No one would do anything they're all corrupt criminals on the same team.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then?

He's either the worst president America ever had, or the worst president American never had.

If America never actually had him as president because he was ineligible as a foreigner, well think about that for a bit ...

... instead of four more years, it would be no more years?
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
No one would do anything they're all corrupt criminals on the same team.
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He cannot be from not the United States and be president. So, he'd have to GTFO of office. Biden would finish his term.
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08/27/2012 08:15 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then?

He's either the worst president America ever had, or the worst president American never had.

If America never actually had him as president because he was ineligible as a foreigner, well think about that for a bit ...

... instead of four more years, it would be no more years?
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It would be no more years if Rmoney was elected anyway (which he probably won't be because American's aren't ready to be governed by corporate America again so soon). The thing is that no matter what the consequence, it has zero impact on the past, present, or future. He was president, he served his term, he had to deal with cleaning up Cheney's shit. Whether he was born in Kenya or not changes nothing this late in the game, so people need to give it a rest.
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08/27/2012 08:17 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
It would essentially reopen every piece of legislation up for a lawsuit (which would have to be listened to and ultimately the laws would be revoked if the judges knew best). Health Care, NDAA, the Stimulus, everything. It would be the equivalent of torpedoing TPTB's battleship with a nuke, not one of those puny ones either, we're talking Tsar Bomba on steroids.

Of course should this happen the media will try to spin it so fast and you will have MASSSIVE social unrest. People who put their hops and dreams in Obama's change will be devastated to the point where they will still support him if only because they can't accept the new reality. People who were against him would likely get to the point of wanting to violently throw him out pretty quickly, setting the stage for clashes which would be in every major city.

You'd also have international washback. Confidence in the American economic system would crash, due to the fact that you just had four years of legislation come up for repeal if anyone just files for it. There'd also be the question of confidence in our government being able to remain the voice of the people instead of the voice of interests, but that likely would just add into the problems of economics.

In short, I'd say Economic Crash at least in North America with any range of feedback around the world, political neutering on the global stage at least until the next election, and potentially a social unrest that could be called a low-grade civil war. Probably the next election would go straight republican with democrat labels being treated as a form of leprosy.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Why give it a rest?

Let's say someone was fradulently pretending to be a doctor and dispensing, and got caught.

Does this mean that he should just go on being a doctor because he'd gotten away with the fraudulent act for awhile?

Not in the real world, he wouldn't.

Fraud is fraud. Sealed records or no, Obama knows where he was born presumably. If it was Kenya then he also knows he's a fraud. If he eventually gets caught, I don't think anyone is going to say well he was the president so it's okay.

Oh right America's been punked? I don't think a whole lot of people will be laughing at that point, if it happens.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Let's say someone was fradulently pretending to be a doctor and dispensing, and got caught.

Does this mean that he should just go on being a doctor because he'd gotten away with the fraudulent act for awhile?

Not in the real world, he wouldn't.
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Unless (like Obama) he had the power to change the rules.

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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Why give it a rest?

Let's say someone was fradulently pretending to be a doctor and dispensing, and got caught.

Does this mean that he should just go on being a doctor because he'd gotten away with the fraudulent act for awhile?

Not in the real world, he wouldn't.

Fraud is fraud. Sealed records or no, Obama knows where he was born presumably. If it was Kenya then he also knows he's a fraud. If he eventually gets caught, I don't think anyone is going to say well he was the president so it's okay.

Oh right America's been punked? I don't think a whole lot of people will be laughing at that point, if it happens.
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That's not what fraud is. The president cannot be charged for fraud because this isn't fraud. Even if it was, you would have to prove that all 5 aspects of fraud are met, which you won't, because you're not dealing with contractual law.

The worst thing that will happen is that he will be found guilty of perjury. Although perjury carries a 5-10 year sentence per charge, being found guilty of perjury will most likely lead to impeachment in exchange for immunity. It's how it goes. So no, it's not at all like comparing it to a civilian pretending to be a doctor.

Which brings me back to me point. Even if he does come out, it changes nothing and the impact of the choice will be moot. It will be media fodder for a bit and an asterisk will be placed next to his presidential term (similar to Mark McGuire's baseball career) but that's it. You accomplish nothing by him revealing he was born elsewhere, if that was even true.
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08/27/2012 08:36 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
It would essentially reopen every piece of legislation up for a lawsuit (which would have to be listened to and ultimately the laws would be revoked if the judges knew best). Health Care, NDAA, the Stimulus, everything. It would be the equivalent of torpedoing TPTB's battleship with a nuke, not one of those puny ones either, we're talking Tsar Bomba on steroids.

Of course should this happen the media will try to spin it so fast and you will have MASSSIVE social unrest. People who put their hops and dreams in Obama's change will be devastated to the point where they will still support him if only because they can't accept the new reality. People who were against him would likely get to the point of wanting to violently throw him out pretty quickly, setting the stage for clashes which would be in every major city.

You'd also have international washback. Confidence in the American economic system would crash, due to the fact that you just had four years of legislation come up for repeal if anyone just files for it. There'd also be the question of confidence in our government being able to remain the voice of the people instead of the voice of interests, but that likely would just add into the problems of economics.

In short, I'd say Economic Crash at least in North America with any range of feedback around the world, political neutering on the global stage at least until the next election, and potentially a social unrest that could be called a low-grade civil war. Probably the next election would go straight republican with democrat labels being treated as a form of leprosy.
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None if this is true. All it would do is open an investigation for perjury. The only way to question any other actions he has made is if you can prove that he served in office while not in sound body and mind. You can't say his Obamacare plan is invalid because he isn't American. That can't be upheld in a court of law, just as you can't accuse someone of robbing your house because he is black. So yeah, nice fantasy, but it's just that, a fantasy.
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He cannot be from not the United States and be president. So, he'd have to GTFO of office. Biden would finish his term.
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doesn't having one usa parent confer natural born citizenship?

real question, not a taunt

i have been wondering about this
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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Congress would do their usual......NOTHING!
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08/27/2012 08:58 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Not a chance, his bosses will take him out before he does anything like that. Keep in mind all the stuff he signed will be invalidated with his presidency, and his multi-billion dollar beneficiaries won't be happy.

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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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I don't think where he was born is nearly as important as where he grew up. There is nothing about him which is american. he is the first, and hopefully the last, unamerican president.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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I don't think where he was born is nearly as important as where he grew up. There is nothing about him which is american. he is the first, and hopefully the last, unamerican president.
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He spent his first 10 years out of the country and his last 40 in the U.S. Meaning his late childhood, teens, young adulthood, and adulthood was all spent in America. From ages 0-10 you're a kid, you spend your time picking your nose, learning math, and playing with action figures in the mud. Your cognitive abilities of self awareness and responsibility and existential thoughts don't even kick in until you hit puberty at the earliest.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
What then? Would he be impeached? Will his presidency be invalidated? If so, does that really change anything? It's not like we can reset the clock back to November 1, 2008 and start from there. So my question is basically, does it even matter any more if he was born on Kenya or not?
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Retroactive upgrade to the constitution?
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08/27/2012 09:31 AM
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
The Dems would call him a crazy birther and ignore him..
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
He cannot be from not the United States and be president. So, he'd have to GTFO of office. Biden would finish his term.
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doesn't having one usa parent confer natural born citizenship?

real question, not a taunt

i have been wondering about this
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No, the rules at the time of Barry's birth did not give him automatic citizen if he was born in a foreign land, to an 18-year-old mother.


If he was born in Kenya, and his mother didn't naturalize him to give him US citizenship, then he would be an Illegal Alien.


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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Mitt Romney is blatantly calling for NAU and you are all sleep walking on Obama.

Mitt Romney says vote for him because of his business experience but won't give any details about Bain.

we did find out that he was using Bain as a "Blocker" meaning a tax dodge but you don't care about details when it comes to the man from Kolob, you're still stuck in 2007 with birther bullshit.

I could make litany but why bother.
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Re: Suppose Barry came out and said that he was born in Kenya
Americans don't have the balls.
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