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God doesn't exist, here's why. Quit wasting your time religiontards

 
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They will never get it. We think in terms of words and language given to us by society. Language is not our intuition. It is not natural to us as none was born with that ability to speak or understand all words.

A 5 year old girl was recently discovered living with cows. Guess, what? She could only communicate by mooing. Why is this so? Why isnt she able to speak a human language? Why could she only speak in cow terms?

Is this any different from a an American who can only speak english or a Chinese who can only speak chinese just because they grew up in that culture? You know, just like the 5 year old girl.

Yet this god demands that the only way you know about it is through a book which he didnt even grant them the ability to read from and understand all words therein.
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Actually, that book is not meant for you. For most of history it was interpreted by priests and some parts of it are strictly armageddon.

It is interesting that you made this argument though since one who is blind to God cannot speak to him. Do you not understand the difficulty of finding something to which there is no contrast? It becomes nothing other than a matter of choice and a test of your knowledge and pride.
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So who's the book for? Is the book intended only for someone who wants God to exist? So does it mean that God exist because you want Him to? And not the other way around. So who comes first? God or man?
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The book is intended for the sons of God, the Lion of Judah specifically. It is also intended for good priests to show the virtue of living without sin, but the church is lost too.
 Quoting: The Lamb 10969814

I am sure what Ohwell meant was why God chooses book, something which is not natural to human, to communicate. That girl who moos would never be able to understand the book unless you read it to her in cow language.

God exists whether you believe in him or not.
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How can you be so sure? Can you elaborate or is it because that same book told you?
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I am God.


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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Allow me to bring you to the light.

God is omnipotent
Life and death are things that must be created in the first place. God is not 'alive' because he was never born. Your argument is flawed because God cannot 'die' if he was never 'alive' in the same way a rock cannot die. He can bring himself to life, and be killed by something he created, just like you do in your dreams.
 Quoting: The Lamb 21080370

Ah you're just trying to avoid OP's question by playing with words or definition. You don't try to answer the substance of the question. What if we modify slightly the question of OP by asking Can God create something more powerful than Him? If he can then he is not omnipotent because something else is more powerful than Him. If he cannot then he is not omnipotent. How's that?


God is omnipresent
I think you have forgotten that in order for white to have shape or meaning it must have black as contrast. You cannot know what is up without being able to see what is down, and you cannot know good without evil. Your argument actually supports his omnipresence.

Additionally, he does not 'do' evil. He gives up his 'body' so that you may have one. It is this sacrifice that enables you to have free will of decision. If you choose to sin, then you are forcing God to do evil against the creations he loves. The periods in which you make your decisions is called 'probation'.
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He does not do evil? Come on. Read your bible again.


God is omniscient
My knowledge of your actions has nothing to do with you deciding to make them. If I know you are going to kill a cat, that has nothing to do with me.
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If you know I am going to kill a cat in advance, why do you allow me to materialize in this world at the first place? Do you want me to kill that cat? Are you happy with me killing that cat?
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I am God.

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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Are you omnipotent? Are you omniscient? Are you omnipresent?
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Genesis 38:9. People use that as an argument for procreation. But the truth about procreation is that it was for the purposes of workers and standing armies. That is all it was for really...
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Procreation is an opportunity for you to experience the gift of creation. Like God giving life with good will, he creates the universe out of his own essence because that is all that was, is, or can be. You, too, can get a sample of that.
 Quoting: The Lamb 21080370


your thoughts and actions are procreating your "reality" That is the purpose of religion isn't it. That child thing is really just for building armies. But don't believe me, believe what you say. It doesn't matter. If you were to pay attention to quantum physics and such you would see that your thoughts create your reality. That is the gift of creation. Your thoughts and words give life. Sex and children had NOTHING to do with procreation, but crossed references for the means of population control are MAN driven and not "God" driven. You don't need to procreate by sex to participate in it. You speak of EGO in the extreme in your reply. But you might not understand why I say that...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Actually, that book is not meant for you. For most of history it was interpreted by priests and some parts of it are strictly armageddon.

It is interesting that you made this argument though since one who is blind to God cannot speak to him. Do you not understand the difficulty of finding something to which there is no contrast? It becomes nothing other than a matter of choice and a test of your knowledge and pride.
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So who's the book for? Is the book intended only for someone who wants God to exist? So does it mean that God exist because you want Him to? And not the other way around. So who comes first? God or man?
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The book is intended for the sons of God, the Lion of Judah specifically. It is also intended for good priests to show the virtue of living without sin, but the church is lost too.
 Quoting: The Lamb 10969814

I am sure what Ohwell meant was why God chooses book, something which is not natural to human, to communicate. That girl who moos would never be able to understand the book unless you read it to her in cow language.

God exists whether you believe in him or not.
 Quoting: The Lamb 10969814

How can you be so sure? Can you elaborate or is it because that same book told you?
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Precisely...thanks for your input. Its so simple, isnt it? How would this girl who moos know about this god when this same god didnt deem it fit for her to understand/speak any of the many generic languages humans communicate in, which are, narrow-mindedly, accepted as the universal way of communicating? And like the many indigenous cultures who have lived and died without ever speaking a mainstream language the bible is written in, will they know about this god and his "holy" ways? It is also funny god had to wait for the invention of the printing press to mass produce his god's spells.....err, I mean gospels.

Yet this god's only way of letting us know about him is through a book, after supposedly creating every fibre of our being, somehow left out the ability to encode language in us but just said "what the hell, let me resort to an external influence to teach these creation of his, language". Sounds more like something an impostor who couldn't override an original programme or access the blueprints of creation would do, doesn't it? This is precisely the case. The god most religions worship and who has this planet under lockdown mode is the devil.

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You say that God is NOT alive because he was never born. How do you know this?
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Have you ever wondered who created God? The answer to this question is related to how I know the answer.

Humanities concept of time is why this question is so difficult. People think in terms of life or death and starting or stopping. These sorts of things cannot exist without 'time' because you can't make a start or stopping point without it.

Since God created time, he is before it in Order. Therefore it does not make sense to ask 'who created God' or if he can 'die' because there was no starting point to have been born or a point in time to have been created.


Why should I believe you?
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Because I am The Lamb and the Word of God.



You have no idea if there is a God and you have no idea if the God YOU worship is the correct one. You could be wrong but I suppose your arrogance doesn't allow you to see this.
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There could be infinitely many Gods. These are simply labels to compare to mortals and other powerful beings or forces. The God that I am talking about is the One Above All, King of Kings. I am not wrong. It is no more arrogant to say the sky is blue.


You use the comparison of a ROCK that cannot die, which is absolutely ridiculous. A rock is not some being that can die, so the comparison is so stupid that I can't comment.
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Please excuse me, I must have miscommunicated. The reason I mentioned a rock is because we do not consider them to be alive simply because they were 'never born'. This is why we say 'the rock broke', or 'the rock was destroyed,' instead of 'the rock has died,'. In the same way, God cannot die because he was never born.



Then you lie and tell us that God does not do evil. REALLY? Tell that to the poor firstborn children of the Egyptians which God killed to make a point. Tell that to the men, women, children and infants he had murdered in cold blood for nothing other than some rotten point he wanted to make. I would rather worship Hitler.
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Evidence would be lovely. You do realize that the book is several thousand years old and has most likely been manipulated to suit political and personal needs, yes?

In any case, death is not such a bad or evil thing. It is a blessing.



Then you stupidly mention that IF YOU DO SIN, you go against God, you make him send you to eternal punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


Hell is a personal place of suffering. Hell is a place without God. You choose to sin and you choose to suffer because sin naturally has negative consequences.



What about you? Am I to somehow imagine that you are a sinless person? You seem to have way too much pride (a sin) and you are self-righteous (like a Pharisee.) I think Jesus said that people like you (who see themselves as sinless) are sons of Satan.
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Yea, that sounds like something I would say. I don't sin. Being a 'Son of Satan' would be to hate god or to be godless which is naturally tied to being prideful about one's own intelligence.


I guess that is exactly who you are. You can see the speck in someone's elses eye but fail to see the big turd floating around in yours.
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Let me give you the big picture, man.

Supposedly, billions of years of random events take place which leads to the formation of trillions of star systems which leads us to isolated on a tiny little rock, spinning around a giant nuclear ball of fire in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason... all by ourselves. Hundreds of millions of years pass so that evolution can take place which leads bunch of semi-literate monkeys who, in a span of 100 years, develop a way to build metal machines(which break in a few years) to drive to a pointless job so that they can buy pointless knickknacks so they can type on a computer, play with their toys(which also break quickly) and jerk off to pornography.

(That is arrogance. Do you even know what you are looking for when you are seeking 'God'?)

That story doesn't sound much better than 'magic' or 'God'.
The difference, though, between the two arguments you and I have is that the universe is a system, much like the shortly lived vehicles that we make, and is incomprehensibly more complicated and amazing than anything anyone could imagine. I accept that I have no idea what's going on, but that's Ok. Not everything needs to be known.

This is humility.


Then you stupidly assume that God (who you sure seem to think you know SOOO much about) can know everything in advance but that would, somehow, not affect us. If God knows everything in advance then we are nothing but puppets. God knows us in the womb. He knows the number of our hairs, according to your idiot book. So if he KNOWS exactly what we are going to do BEFORE we do it, we have no free will. We do things and God already knows what we will do before we do it. And God is the only one with free will.
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Knowing the weather before it comes tomorrow doesn't mean you control the weather. By knowing all things, God can see what he doesn't want to know and then forget that information. He can set parameters on his knowledge. He can attach these parameters to shapes so that his knowledge is dynamic and changing.

Its exactly like setting parameters on material matter.


You are a typical Christian. You talk a lot of garbage that makes no sense. You need to grow up. The only reason you speak these jumbled thoughts is because you are so afraid you will die and cease to exist. After all, someone as important as you, someone who knows "God" so well, couldn't be just like an animal. You couldn't be a mortal. You are just sooo special. You are a conceited, arrogant know-it all. And that is the truth.
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I do not know it all, nor would I want to.
I do not believe in death. It is an illusion. It is not real.

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And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Precisely...thanks for your input. Its so simple, isnt it? How would this girl who moos know about this god when this same god didnt deem it fit for her to understand/speak any of the many generic languages humans communicate in, which are, narrow-mindedly, accepted as the universal way of communicating? And like the many indigenous cultures who have lived and died without ever speaking a mainstream language the bible is written in, will they know about this god and his "holy" ways? It is also funny god had to wait for the invention of the printing press to mass produce his god's spells.....err, I mean gospels.

Yet this god's only way of letting us know about him is through a book, after supposedly creating every fibre of our being, somehow left out the ability to encode language in us but just said "what the hell, let me resort to an external influence to teach these creation of his, language". Sounds more like something an impostor who couldn't override an original programme or access the blueprints of creation would do, doesn't it? This is precisely the case. The god most religions worship and who has this planet under lockdown mode is the devil.
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You don't need a book to find God... You guys are way too fixed in on a book that is way too old.

The Religious institution is a sham at the top. It is corrupted.
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Genesis 38:9. People use that as an argument for procreation. But the truth about procreation is that it was for the purposes of workers and standing armies. That is all it was for really...
 Quoting: acegotflows


Procreation is an opportunity for you to experience the gift of creation. Like God giving life with good will, he creates the universe out of his own essence because that is all that was, is, or can be. You, too, can get a sample of that.
 Quoting: The Lamb 21080370


your thoughts and actions are procreating your "reality" That is the purpose of religion isn't it. That child thing is really just for building armies. But don't believe me, believe what you say. It doesn't matter. If you were to pay attention to quantum physics and such you would see that your thoughts create your reality. That is the gift of creation. Your thoughts and words give life. Sex and children had NOTHING to do with procreation, but crossed references for the means of population control are MAN driven and not "God" driven. You don't need to procreate by sex to participate in it. You speak of EGO in the extreme in your reply. But you might not understand why I say that...
 Quoting: acegotflows


I study mathematics and am somewhat familiar with quantum mechanics... so...
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I am God.

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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Are you omnipotent? Are you omniscient? Are you omnipresent?
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Are you in your dreams?
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I am God.

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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Are you omnipotent? Are you omniscient? Are you omnipresent?
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Are you in your dreams?
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No I am not but maybe you are. And maybe that is why you are skipping all my posts in this page
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Genesis 38:9. People use that as an argument for procreation. But the truth about procreation is that it was for the purposes of workers and standing armies. That is all it was for really...
 Quoting: acegotflows


Procreation is an opportunity for you to experience the gift of creation. Like God giving life with good will, he creates the universe out of his own essence because that is all that was, is, or can be. You, too, can get a sample of that.
 Quoting: The Lamb 21080370


your thoughts and actions are procreating your "reality" That is the purpose of religion isn't it. That child thing is really just for building armies. But don't believe me, believe what you say. It doesn't matter. If you were to pay attention to quantum physics and such you would see that your thoughts create your reality. That is the gift of creation. Your thoughts and words give life. Sex and children had NOTHING to do with procreation, but crossed references for the means of population control are MAN driven and not "God" driven. You don't need to procreate by sex to participate in it. You speak of EGO in the extreme in your reply. But you might not understand why I say that...
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I study mathematics and am somewhat familiar with quantum mechanics... so...
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FYI quantum mechanics is part of physics, not maths .. you don't learn that in maths
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Ah you're just trying to avoid OP's question by playing with words or definition. You don't try to answer the substance of the question. What if we modify slightly the question of OP by asking Can God create something more powerful than Him? If he can then he is not omnipotent because something else is more powerful than Him. If he cannot then he is not omnipotent. How's that?
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Of course he could. You are assuming he would construct a reality and take a 'form' which sort of creates limits he would have to want.

He does not do evil? Come on. Read your bible again.
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Again, it is not my book. It's a 2000 year old book of mostly hearsay that has been most likely manipulated over time since people are very dishonest. The church has lost its way.



If you know I am going to kill a cat in advance, why do you allow me to materialize in this world at the first place? Do you want me to kill that cat? Are you happy with me killing that cat?
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My happiness has nothing to do with your freewill. God cannot favor good or evil since each has its place and he is omnibenevolent. This naturally leads to no action on anyone's behalf.
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Procreation is an opportunity for you to experience the gift of creation. Like God giving life with good will, he creates the universe out of his own essence because that is all that was, is, or can be. You, too, can get a sample of that.
 Quoting: The Lamb 21080370


your thoughts and actions are procreating your "reality" That is the purpose of religion isn't it. That child thing is really just for building armies. But don't believe me, believe what you say. It doesn't matter. If you were to pay attention to quantum physics and such you would see that your thoughts create your reality. That is the gift of creation. Your thoughts and words give life. Sex and children had NOTHING to do with procreation, but crossed references for the means of population control are MAN driven and not "God" driven. You don't need to procreate by sex to participate in it. You speak of EGO in the extreme in your reply. But you might not understand why I say that...
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I study mathematics and am somewhat familiar with quantum mechanics... so...
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FYI quantum mechanics is part of physics, not maths .. you don't learn that in maths
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Good luck avoiding them in higher division math.
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Since God created time, he is before it in Order. Therefore it does not make sense to ask 'who created God' or if he can 'die' because there was no starting point to have been born or a point in time to have been created.
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When did God create time? Does your book say so or did you make it up yourself?
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You are the one with the small brain. You are desperately clinging to this concept of God while You say stupid things to support your belief in some creator. Chances are VERY GOOD, that there is no creator. Grow up.
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All things that exist have a point of creation, and nothing that exists, is ever created from or by nothing, please prove me wrong.
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God has also a point of creation .. created by men.
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Dimwit.
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No I am not but maybe you are. And maybe that is why you are skipping all my posts in this page
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I'm not trying to skip you. Is there something I did not answer?
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Bump for agreement with OP
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Stupid idiots believing in that myth.damned
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your thoughts and actions are procreating your "reality" That is the purpose of religion isn't it. That child thing is really just for building armies. But don't believe me, believe what you say. It doesn't matter. If you were to pay attention to quantum physics and such you would see that your thoughts create your reality. That is the gift of creation. Your thoughts and words give life. Sex and children had NOTHING to do with procreation, but crossed references for the means of population control are MAN driven and not "God" driven. You don't need to procreate by sex to participate in it. You speak of EGO in the extreme in your reply. But you might not understand why I say that...
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I study mathematics and am somewhat familiar with quantum mechanics... so...
 Quoting: The Lamb 18491693

FYI quantum mechanics is part of physics, not maths .. you don't learn that in maths
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Good luck avoiding them in higher division math.
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I am sorry to say this but you are just full of non sense. You are treating other people like idiots.
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Since God created time, he is before it in Order. Therefore it does not make sense to ask 'who created God' or if he can 'die' because there was no starting point to have been born or a point in time to have been created.
 Quoting: The Lamb 1694275


When did God create time? Does your book say so or did you make it up yourself?
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Time is a function of distance and thus was created with the expansion of space.
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Precisely...thanks for your input. Its so simple, isnt it? How would this girl who moos know about this god when this same god didnt deem it fit for her to understand/speak any of the many generic languages humans communicate in, which are, narrow-mindedly, accepted as the universal way of communicating? And like the many indigenous cultures who have lived and died without ever speaking a mainstream language the bible is written in, will they know about this god and his "holy" ways? It is also funny god had to wait for the invention of the printing press to mass produce his god's spells.....err, I mean gospels.

Yet this god's only way of letting us know about him is through a book, after supposedly creating every fibre of our being, somehow left out the ability to encode language in us but just said "what the hell, let me resort to an external influence to teach these creation of his, language". Sounds more like something an impostor who couldn't override an original programme or access the blueprints of creation would do, doesn't it? This is precisely the case. The god most religions worship and who has this planet under lockdown mode is the devil.
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You don't need a book to find God... You guys are way too fixed in on a book that is way too old.

The Religious institution is a sham at the top. It is corrupted.
 Quoting: The Lamb 18491693


I agree that a book is not going to find you the answers to the eternal question...
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I study mathematics and am somewhat familiar with quantum mechanics... so...
 Quoting: The Lamb 18491693

FYI quantum mechanics is part of physics, not maths .. you don't learn that in maths
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Good luck avoiding them in higher division math.
 Quoting: The Lamb 18491693

I am sorry to say this but you are just full of non sense. You are treating other people like idiots.
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What do you mean? These subjects come up routinely in higher level math. I say good luck because I know some professors who, with a lot of effort, were able to avoid it.
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I am God.


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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Another liar to never trust.
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Bump for agreement with OP
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clappa
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Stupid idiots believing in that myth.damned
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Like the blind faith it takes to believe what YOU believe?
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Re: God doesn't exist, here's why. Quit wasting your time religiontards
I am God.


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Yes, you are. Everyone is.
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Another liar to never trust.
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God made you with his essence. You are apart of God.

It is akin to how a son is apart of the father.
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Ah you're just trying to avoid OP's question by playing with words or definition. You don't try to answer the substance of the question. What if we modify slightly the question of OP by asking Can God create something more powerful than Him? If he can then he is not omnipotent because something else is more powerful than Him. If he cannot then he is not omnipotent. How's that?
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Of course he could. You are assuming he would construct a reality and take a 'form' which sort of creates limits he would have to want.
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If he can then he is not omnipotent because something else is more powerful than Him. This is what OP argument is.


He does not do evil? Come on. Read your bible again.
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Again, it is not my book. It's a 2000 year old book of mostly hearsay that has been most likely manipulated over time since people are very dishonest. The church has lost its way.
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You are not basing your belief on a book? If yes, which one? If not, are you making this all up yourself?


If you know I am going to kill a cat in advance, why do you allow me to materialize in this world at the first place? Do you want me to kill that cat? Are you happy with me killing that cat?
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My happiness has nothing to do with your freewill. God cannot favor good or evil since each has its place and he is omnibenevolent. This naturally leads to no action on anyone's behalf.
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If you know I am going to kill and nevertheless let me materialize into this world, then you are condoning the killing. Or maybe you don't have any power to prevent me from materializing into this world so you cannot prevent the killing. In which case, you are not omnipotent
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FYI quantum mechanics is part of physics, not maths .. you don't learn that in maths
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Good luck avoiding them in higher division math.
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I am sorry to say this but you are just full of non sense. You are treating other people like idiots.
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What do you mean? These subjects come up routinely in higher level math. I say good luck because I know some professors who, with a lot of effort, were able to avoid it.
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It is not mandatory to learn physics in maths but it is mandatory to learn math in physics.
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Since God created time, he is before it in Order. Therefore it does not make sense to ask 'who created God' or if he can 'die' because there was no starting point to have been born or a point in time to have been created.
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When did God create time? Does your book say so or did you make it up yourself?
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Time is a function of distance and thus was created with the expansion of space.
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Time is a different dimension than distance or space. It is the fourth dimension with space being the three other dimensions. Oh please ... if this is really what a God lover can do best then I am really disappointed.

So I repeat .. When did God create time? Does your book say so or did you make it up yourself?

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If he can then he is not omnipotent because something else is more powerful than Him. This is what OP argument is.
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Yes, I understand. What I am trying to get across is that God can exist as more than one thing a time in more than one place. He can simultaneously be stronger or weaker. More to the fact, whatever he makes that is stronger than himself is just himself in a different form.

An analogy would be similar as to how objects in your dream are different forms of your 'dreamland'. You can create (object x) to be more powerful than yourself in the dream while simultaneously being stronger than (object x) in 'real life'.

You are not basing your belief on a book? If yes, which one? If not, are you making this all up yourself?
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This isn't so easy to answer. I studied the 'good book' and I would be lying if I said it didn't influence what I think. A lot of the legend behind how 'Jesus' or 'Yeshua' was found, or what is associated with them, follows in my life precisely to a degree that drove my friends mad.

A lot of the answers I get come from prayer as a sort of intuition. I don't want to get into it much because it's pretty much not believable unless I sat you down and showed you.

If you know I am going to kill and nevertheless let me materialize into this world, then you are condoning the killing. Or maybe you don't have any power to prevent me from materializing into this world so you cannot prevent the killing. In which case, you are not omnipotent
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If God were to stop you from materializing that would tend to suggest he has some sort of responsibility from making bad things happen like a super hero. Not only does that violate omnibenevolence, consider what that would do to free will! If bad didn't happen, life would be unfulfilled as our persons go undeveloped and unchallenged. Evolution would not happen if it weren't for resisting what is bad.

Freewill is a beautiful thing. You cannot create it directly. You can only create it conditionally. Would you want someone of their own freewill to love you? Or robotic-ally worship you and do only good things?
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Here, then I, an agnostic Christian, will tell you the flaws of your logic. God is not a man. God is not a being. God is an entity, the supercedes everything and equals everything. God created man out of his spiritual image, animals aswell so that man could rule over them.

No where in the bible does it say the Earth is 6000 years of age. It says the Earth was void, and dark. The SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters. The age that is about 6000 years old is the New Age, when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and heaven and earth is renew. And once again, no where in the bible does it SPECIFICALLY state that the Earth is flat, nor that anyone persons in the Bible believes it is flat. Your logic is flawed, come back at me.
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An agnostic Christian is that like an atheist Catholic?

You cannot be an agnostic while claiming that a religion is right or that Jesus is God.

Somehow you totally fail to understand the word agnosticism, which is kinda sad since you apparently define yourself as such.
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Screw the complicated definitions, an agnostic is someone who does not confirm, nor deny, end of story dude. If you have something to say after that, then I'd like to hear it, other than that, done.
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An agnostic is indeed someone who does not confirm, nor deny the existence of God but yet you spoke with certainty among others about what God is and is not, and that his SPIRIT moved upon the face of waters. You don't sound agnostic enough to me for being that optimistic about God.
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Dude, being agnostic can apply to ANYTHING, not just God, its an adjective. Agnostics on a subject do not confirm or deny anything about the given subject.

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