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Artic Ice Melt Record Broken

 
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it's too cold on this planet anyways, there are vast amounts of land that are cold and barren. Warm the planet up a degree or three and maybe they'll become livable. Don't worry, we'll get our carbon emissons under control before it's too late. We have at best 50 years before we have technology that eliminates the use of fossil fuels for energy.
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Wrong. Record is from 2007. And this record is irrelevant. Measurements started in 1979 only. This is nothing.

Also, even if it was true, big deal, Artic melted several times before. At least twice in the 20th century.
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Agree...it's the Artic summer, ice will melt. On the other hand the Antarctic sea ice remains above the 1979-2008 mean values.
There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes...noli timere messorem
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I, like millions of others, live near lakes that were carved out by ice. This is not unusual either.

If you do more research into this matter you will find that most of the models that show ice receding were photos in the spring.
They conveniently do not show the ice growth in winter.
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Well buddy, The point is that the ice is smaller than its been in Springs past.

I live in the Rocky Mountains of the USA and our glacial drifts have been smaller this year than in decades.

Just ask people along the Colorado river what they think.
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When you will see the mountains flowing with steams and rivers, while the ice caps have melted away, then you will know it is the time of the great slaughter when the towers fall. One more warm winter ought to do it. REPENT!!!!
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I´m living north of the arctic circle... coldest summer I can remember and my memories goes back to the sixties.

August is supposed to be a summer month but the mountains are covered with snow already.
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Shad - Good post .

Ice is used to deflect the sunlight.Absence of ice and increase in oceans means it will absorb more heat and will be a feedback to melt more ice. This is turn releases the methane from permafost and Co2 which will lead to global warning. Now we need to know the time frame for all this cycle.
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Isolating one factor apart from the multitude of related effects is pointless.
The earth is a bio-system.. with inter-related systems creating a balance.
It is way more than merely cause and effect.

There is an imbalance.. look at the weather, the sun, the water..
all with definite influence on the whole.
I believe the earth's balance will be re-achieved, eventually.
The question is.. will we survive until it happens..?
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Shad - Good post .

Ice is used to deflect the sunlight.Absence of ice and increase in oceans means it will absorb more heat and will be a feedback to melt more ice. This is turn releases the methane from permafost and Co2 which will lead to global warning. Now we need to know the time frame for all this cycle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22759159

can it be the poles are absorbing more the just heat?
TEC...and cosmic rays? is there more to this then just heat....this is not humans in nature.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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08/28/2012 11:12 AM
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The meltwater in the ocean is diluting the salt..affects thermohaline circulation, evaporation and weather.

The shifting of mass to the equator may be contributing to fluctuations in axial tilt.

There are many factors in play.
 Quoting: Waterbug


I agree
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Wow, the lowest in 30 years. That's a great graph when measured against the 4,500,000,000 years that the Earth has been around.

There has been a high pressure system stuck in the Artic this summer. When that is gone, there is going to be record freezing.
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Thanks for the input,any viewpoint is welcome
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Thanks for the post rain man!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Artic Ice Melt Record Broken
Isolating one factor apart from the multitude of related effects is pointless.
The earth is a bio-system.. with inter-related systems creating a balance.
It is way more than merely cause and effect.

There is an imbalance.. look at the weather, the sun, the water..
all with definite influence on the whole.
I believe the earth's balance will be re-achieved, eventually.
The question is.. will we survive until it happens..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

this is not about isolating one factor...but pointing it out....adding it to the long list of every changing normality

our planet is indeed changing....and we are now able to see the changes happen. we must be careful as to what falls into the ideas of "this is normal"

but at the same time....we humans have only been here for a small fraction of the life of this planet. so we can not truly judge normal.
we might not have seen what the extremes will really be.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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08/28/2012 11:19 AM
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it's too cold on this planet anyways, there are vast amounts of land that are cold and barren. Warm the planet up a degree or three and maybe they'll become livable. Don't worry, we'll get our carbon emissons under control before it's too late. We have at best 50 years before we have technology that eliminates the use of fossil fuels for energy.
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We've had technology for awhile that would get rid of fossil fuels, there have been patents continuously bought out since the 60s by Big oil to prevent any new energy source
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Shad - Good post .

Ice is used to deflect the sunlight.Absence of ice and increase in oceans means it will absorb more heat and will be a feedback to melt more ice. This is turn releases the methane from permafost and Co2 which will lead to global warning. Now we need to know the time frame for all this cycle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22759159


Exactly thanks India!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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08/28/2012 11:22 AM
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How can it be broken, the arctic went through a very long period where there was no ice at all but just trees, grass and mammoth shit?!

So please explain how the records have been broken before I vote on the thread, thanks.
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08/28/2012 11:24 AM
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Re: Artic Ice Melt Record Broken
Isolating one factor apart from the multitude of related effects is pointless.
The earth is a bio-system.. with inter-related systems creating a balance.
It is way more than merely cause and effect.

There is an imbalance.. look at the weather, the sun, the water..
all with definite influence on the whole.
I believe the earth's balance will be re-achieved, eventually.
The question is.. will we survive until it happens..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

this is not about isolating one factor...but pointing it out....adding it to the long list of every changing normality

our planet is indeed changing....and we are now able to see the changes happen. we must be careful as to what falls into the ideas of "this is normal"

but at the same time....we humans have only been here for a small fraction of the life of this planet. so we can not truly judge normal.
we might not have seen what the extremes will really be.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Very good point Psy!
I don't believe we have a clue what normalcy or the correct average is,our modern timeline doesn't even show up on the chart yet

Last Edited by shadahoochie on 08/28/2012 11:25 AM
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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I´m living north of the arctic circle... coldest summer I can remember and my memories goes back to the sixties.

August is supposed to be a summer month but the mountains are covered with snow already.
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Have you dove beneath the ice to check water temps?
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How can it be broken, the arctic went through a very long period where there was no ice at all but just trees, grass and mammoth shit?!

So please explain how the records have been broken before I vote on the thread, thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4964000


As its been explained theres no way of proving an all time record.These recordings started in 1979 and this is the new record. I'm not making any mind boggling postulations just reporting the news as the poles have been of interest of late.

I'm probably more biased because I'm stuck in the middle of this midwest massive drought and to me everything is burning up. I'm very concerned with a series of events that I've been watching for sometime. The increasing TEC(total electron spikes). The buildup of solar energy particles in the ionosphere.The dramatic increase in magma flow etc... I believe its all inter connected and we are in the beginning stages of some big earth changes.

You can vote any way you want it doesn't matter to me. If I see something that seems important I like to bring it out in the open. Everyone has their opinion and they should. If theres even a small percentage of relevancy to any of this it should be explored.

Last Edited by shadahoochie on 08/28/2012 11:40 AM
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Isolating one factor apart from the multitude of related effects is pointless.
The earth is a bio-system.. with inter-related systems creating a balance.
It is way more than merely cause and effect.

There is an imbalance.. look at the weather, the sun, the water..
all with definite influence on the whole.
I believe the earth's balance will be re-achieved, eventually.
The question is.. will we survive until it happens..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

this is not about isolating one factor...but pointing it out....adding it to the long list of every changing normality

our planet is indeed changing....and we are now able to see the changes happen. we must be careful as to what falls into the ideas of "this is normal"

but at the same time....we humans have only been here for a small fraction of the life of this planet. so we can not truly judge normal.
we might not have seen what the extremes will really be.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Yes.. I was too vague. Didn't mean to insinuate this thread was doing that. Meant to point out that all factors should be considered when discussing any isolated factor..

This, to me, is the problem with science in the traditional sense.
Each regimen tends to discount any influence that could be relevant from disciplines outside their particular realm of knowledge.. and many posters do the same.

For example.. geological studies show proof of rapid magnetic pole reversal in the past ..it is merely a piece of the puzzle.
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[link to www.csmonitor.com]

Artic Ice Melt reaches record low. With everything going on it seems the largest ice melt on record has been taken place.

Bad news for global temperatures as these ice caps are our biggest controlling factor for worldwide temp. increase

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
 Quoting: shadasonic


You can't believe anything these "climate" scientists (oxymoron) say.....
First examine data (always dirty and unavailable for analysis)
Then follow the money
Ever ask y they are pushing this sgenda (and phrase, "warming/climate change") over and over?.....its the
Joseph Goebbels model (Nazi WW II propagandist):

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Wake up people
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[link to www.csmonitor.com]

Artic Ice Melt reaches record low. With everything going on it seems the largest ice melt on record has been taken place.

Bad news for global temperatures as these ice caps are our biggest controlling factor for worldwide temp. increase

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
 Quoting: shadasonic


You can't believe anything these "climate" scientists (oxymoron) say.....
First examine data (always dirty and unavailable for analysis)
Then follow the money
Ever ask y they are pushing this sgenda (and phrase, "warming/climate change") over and over?.....its the
Joseph Goebbels model (Nazi WW II propagandist):

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Wake up people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 112504


You may very well be right,we just need to find the truth, whatever it may be
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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in average the highest melting point last years was middle september registered
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I´m living north of the arctic circle... coldest summer I can remember and my memories goes back to the sixties.

August is supposed to be a summer month but the mountains are covered with snow already.
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Have you dove beneath the ice to check water temps?
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LOL... no I have not.

My dad used to work in the coal mines at Svalbard/Spitsbergen. He brought back fossilized palm leaves.

Me think the broken ice melt record is broken!
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[link to www.csmonitor.com]

Artic Ice Melt reaches record low. With everything going on it seems the largest ice melt on record has been taken place.

Bad news for global temperatures as these ice caps are our biggest controlling factor for worldwide temp. increase

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
 Quoting: shadasonic


You can't believe anything these "climate" scientists (oxymoron) say.....
First examine data (always dirty and unavailable for analysis)
Then follow the money
Ever ask y they are pushing this sgenda (and phrase, "warming/climate change") over and over?.....its the
Joseph Goebbels model (Nazi WW II propagandist):

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Wake up people
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You may very well be right,we just need to find the truth, whatever it may be
 Quoting: shadasonic


There is great advancement in weather manipulation and this is never taken into consideration in these "models"..and I don't think the military et all would ever provide this information voluntarily.
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08/28/2012 12:18 PM
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Also not all measurements are showing a record low some are still well above the record.

MASIE is showing alot more ice

looks like there might be some adjustment going on, like with surface temps.
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No problem since London will drown first if you're wrong...
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well its a cycle, once the ice melts the gulf stream will shut down and then comes the big freeze brrruuurr.
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More BS global warming doom and gloom.
I've been listening to this shit since elementry in the 80's. By now there was suppose to be 24/7 acid rain everywhere and California was suppose to be under the sea by now.
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Ice in the Arctic Ocean this summer was stepped to a record low, scientists have reported. Arctic ice came to an area 4.09 million square kilometers. This record was demolished in 2007, when the surface ice was 4.17 million square kilometers. From the U.S. National Centre for monitoring snow and ice has indicated that it will melt in the next few weeks to continue.


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recorded from 1979...

jeez, what about the millions of years before that?

5a
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recorded from 1979...

jeez, what about the millions of years before that?

5a
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uh, sorry ...won't fit in our models
not enough storage croatia

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