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The Borax Conspiracy How the Arthritis Cure has been Stopped Walter Last

 
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I cannot friggin' believe it.
I am a 53 year woman with severe arthritis (diagnosed w/Lupus) in my spine and both hips/groins. I also have stenosis of the spine so I am riddled with issues. My discs were actually chipping.

I am a vegetarian, 5'8" around 145 pounds in otherwise, good health.

I was a patient of the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry for years. Nothing was curing my dis-ease. Only masking it temporarily.

I started taking Borax one week from today (11/29)....and although it's not entirely gone, I am at LEAST 75% better!
I just cannot believe this is being kept from the public.

My condition was getting to the point where I couldn't sleep well, sit well, stand well, lay on my back well and even drive my car with a clutch.
I always had to brace and anticipate the pain when I got up from any position which is a very negative mindset, I know.

On a pain scale of 1-10....I was never below a '8'. Many days I was an '11'.

Now?...today?.....I am a '4'

Un-friggin-believable!!!!!!!!!


I encourage and implore anyone to at least TRY this. I felt the effects by the second day. I wasn't as stiff.

I take about a 1/4 teaspoon of Mule Borax with 16 oz of water twice a day. It doesn't taste bad at all.

I don't think I ever want to go a day without taking Borax for I never want to feel that crippling pain ever again.


Thank you GLP for turning me on to this
no more arthritis here
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Been using organic boron for the last two yrs now.
Had arthritis so bad in my shoulder i couldn't use my left arm and ended up in the hospital.
Doctors said DRUGS, i did research.
Took about 3 weeks to get the full effect but i can tell you......NO MORE PAIN or grinding in the joint!
Buy it online, strait boron, the borax in the laundry section has other crap in it.
Won't hurt you cuz i took that until my boron came in the mail. I ordered 1 pd and still have half left and i think it cost me like $13 with shipping and all.
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Do not use Arm and Hammer as it contains aluminum. They claim it does not but under chemical examination, it does, and aluminum is a heavy metal. Enjoy!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22761774


Does this mean that their "Essentials Natural Deoderant" which states NO ALUMINUM on the label falls under the same guise?
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


I will say yes, I use the Tom's Natural Deoderant, and also the Tom's Toothpaste without fluoride.

You can purchase these items @Trader Joes.
 Quoting: Orsolja


I purchased Tom's Natural Deoderant prior to the Essentials.

I start to STANK after about 2 hours with minimal activity. I might try the corn starch approach.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


Try using lemon juice. The kind that comes in a bottle. It's cheap, it's natural, and it works well on the under arm smell.
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I don't want to put a damper on anyone's beliefs here but only want to input some useful knowledge.

Do not use Arm and Hammer as it contains aluminum. They claim it does not but under chemical examination, it does, and aluminum is a heavy metal. Get Bob's Red Mill backing soda and powder either online or your natural food store. It is pure.

Keeping in mind that no disease can live in an alkaline body, the consumption of baking soda will help alkalize your body, along with the proper foods. Cancer is a fungus and oxygen is its enemy.

Enjoy!
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I'm pretty sure you mean baking POWDER has aluminum and you can find some baking POWDERs labeled as aluminum-free.

However, baking SODA does NOT have aluminum in it. This can be easily researched and confirmed.
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That's what I thought too, but then I read that Alcoa supplied the raw material to Arm and hammer. If it came from the aluminum mines, there must surely be some contamination from the aluminum, even though they don't list it. Then Arm and Hammer produces the sodium bicarb through a chemical process, while Bob's gets it's bicarb from natural deposits. hmmm. I'm thinking that maybe Bob's natural sodium bicarb might be the way to go.
As far as baking pow3der goes, I think that Bob's adds some tartar to the bicarb to make baking powder instead of the aluminum product like the rest of them to make things rise.
Adding cream of tartar to your own baking soda (Bob's?) half and half will give you baking powder.


If you care about aluminum, you need to do your own research to find out. I might be full of shit, who knows?
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You must work for big Pharma.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Why do you think that?
Because I understand human physiology?
 Quoting: Cahill


What is your line of work?
 Quoting: Alien Technologist


Cardiovascular physiology and medical physics.
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Your "training/indoctrination" doesn't mean a thing around here. You've got both hands on your blinders holding them firmly in place.

Fuck off.
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I have it bad, AS ankylosing spodylitis, it is so bad I want to kill myself as soon as my grandson does not need me so much. The contant unbearable pain. I want to know everything about this, baking soda did not help. I am also sceptical about using my cleaning powder in my water.
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For the sake of your grandson, please don't ever kill yourself.

Children learn from their parents (and grandparents) how to deal with life's issues. If you were to harm yourself you will be teaching your grandson a lesson that one day they may very well emulate.

Keep seeking answers for your horrible disease and don't forget to pray.

hf
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I have it bad, AS ankylosing spodylitis, it is so bad I want to kill myself as soon as my grandson does not need me so much. The contant unbearable pain. I want to know everything about this, baking soda did not help. I am also sceptical about using my cleaning powder in my water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6408105


For the sake of your grandson, please don't ever kill yourself.

Children learn from their parents (and grandparents) how to deal with life's issues. If you were to harm yourself you will be teaching your grandson a lesson that one day they may very well emulate.

Keep seeking answers for your horrible disease and don't forget to pray.

hf
 Quoting: tcs 28832234


Interesting that she would not take boron. It can be purchased at health food stores and online. It's basically just Borax.

60,000 people died from Vioxx, a painkiller used for rheumatoid arthritis, before it was removed from the market. There is a conspiracy regarding this drug and Charles Nemeroff's involvement in getting it approved for the treatment of arthritis.
There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster

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The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates

That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton
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Thanks OP. Another natural product is MSM, a natural sulfur. I had terrible joint pain and started this product two months ago. Feel twenty years younger and am looking younger. Great to treat arthritis pain and to rebuild cartlidge, along with reversing lung disease. Look into it. It is sold on the market, but (Nanny State) FDA won't approve because Big Pharm loses billions if people realize that they are sulfur deficient.
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I cannot friggin' believe it.
I am a 53 year woman with severe arthritis (diagnosed w/Lupus) in my spine and both hips/groins. I also have stenosis of the spine so I am riddled with issues. My discs were actually chipping.

I am a vegetarian, 5'8" around 145 pounds in otherwise, good health.

I was a patient of the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry for years. Nothing was curing my dis-ease. Only masking it temporarily.

I started taking Borax one week from today (11/29)....and although it's not entirely gone, I am at LEAST 75% better!
I just cannot believe this is being kept from the public.

My condition was getting to the point where I couldn't sleep well, sit well, stand well, lay on my back well and even drive my car with a clutch.
I always had to brace and anticipate the pain when I got up from any position which is a very negative mindset, I know.

On a pain scale of 1-10....I was never below a '8'. Many days I was an '11'.

Now?...today?.....I am a '4'

Un-friggin-believable!!!!!!!!!


I encourage and implore anyone to at least TRY this. I felt the effects by the second day. I wasn't as stiff.

I take about a 1/4 teaspoon of Mule Borax with 16 oz of water twice a day. It doesn't taste bad at all.

I don't think I ever want to go a day without taking Borax for I never want to feel that crippling pain ever again.


Thank you GLP for turning me on to this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25268373

Wow that is impressive! I have hip arthritis going to see a specialist tomorrow but I will just find out how bad it is and they will not be able to help me. I am beginning to not be able to do things like hike because of the pain it causes. Range of motion is getting less too.
I just bought some boron supplements will be starting 6mg a day. Hope it works! I have been an athlete all my life and to feel like I can't move is horrible. Will check back in a week or two.hf
Keomah
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Been using organic boron for the last two yrs now.
Had arthritis so bad in my shoulder i couldn't use my left arm and ended up in the hospital.
Doctors said DRUGS, i did research.
Took about 3 weeks to get the full effect but i can tell you......NO MORE PAIN or grinding in the joint!
Buy it online, strait boron, the borax in the laundry section has other crap in it.
Won't hurt you cuz i took that until my boron came in the mail. I ordered 1 pd and still have half left and i think it cost me like $13 with shipping and all.
 Quoting: no more arthritis here 26715773


Also encouraging! I am using supplements with Boron too. Just started. Feeling optimistic.
Keomah
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My sister who is 68 started taking 1/4 tsp/ltr of plain 20 mule team borax since I read this thread. On the second day, she didn't need any of her high powered prescription pain pills for her pains. She is thrilled.
I'm drinking carbonated water with 1/4 tsp/1 3/4 ltr and I do feel better. The taste is fine. It tastes like club soda to me.

From what I've been reading about borax, it also greatly lowers the chance of prostate cancer. I can testify that it seems to be shrinking my prostate.
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Borax is 99.9% pure and contains Boron, a critical element

of the Human Body.

Borax is a perfect NATURAL INSECTICIDE.

Mixed with Hydrogen Peroxide and water (3 parts water, 1 part

Hydrogen Peroxide - 3% only and a handful of Borax), it

makes a perfect flea/tick bath for pets.

BRUSHING TEETH: Just mix a pinch of BORAX with a

pinch of baking soda for the perfect non-abrasive

replacement of FLUORIDE laden toothpaste.

This should be enough to slowly boost body BORON levels to

a healthy state.
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I have done some research on borax, and this seams to be legit. I have a doctor that is open to alternative cures looking into it deeper. From the article, it sounds like a boron suppliment would work, except it doesn't have the antiviral or antifungal properties. If you are just trying to cure arthritis or osteoporosis, the boron should work just as well. I will be trying this. If I had known I would live this long, I would have taken better care of my body. Now arthritis is becoming a concern. Every injury from the last half century is coming back to haunt me. This could be exactly what I have been looking for.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


Start taking baking soda to get yourself alkaline. You are too acid and your body is leaching the calcium from your bones to try to get you more alkaline. Vegetables will help with alkalinity but most of us don't eat enough and are just under too much stress for them to keep us alkaline.

Take 1/2 teaspoon in water in the morning and the evening. At least 30 minutes after or before eating. This should help with your arthritis so your bones can start repairing themselves. You can take this three times a day if you like for at least a week or so and then go down to twice a day. You can also buy urine test strips to test the alkalinity of your urine. It should be between a 7 and 8. Anyway, twice a day should be fine and works for most people.
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Does the baking soda, work as well in water as it does with Maple syrop. The article I read talked about the two together would work well because the sugar of the syrop is drawn in by deseased cells, and the oxygen from the soda would then kill that deseased cell. I've been taking that mix heated together for about a week as a preventative. Can't say as I've noticed much difference in my energy but then, as far as I know, I'm not sick.
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Seem in theory that baking soda would neutralize your stomach acids, would cause your digestion to not be up to par. I have read that older people have poorer digestion because of less stomach acid. Does anyone know about this?
Keomah
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If no one has gotten ill from it, using the guide lines in the article, wouldn't that convince you?
You should let the individual decide for themselves.
I haven't read anything detrimental about Borax
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It doesn't give any proof that no-one has become ill after taking it.
There's plenty of proof to suggest that it WILL make you ill though.
Certainly taking it as described in that article will lead to chronic poisoning.
I'm more than happy to let any individual decide for them selves but in order to make that decision all the facts should be known.

If you've not read anything detrimental about borax then I suggest you read this [link to www.pesticideinfo.org]

Symptoms of Poisoning with Borate Compounds

- Irritation of skin and respiratory tract.
- The gastrointestinal tract , skin vascular system and brain are the principal organs and tissues affected.
- Nausea, persistent vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea.
- Lethargy and headache may occur but are less frequent.
- In severe poisonings, a beefy red skin rash affecting palms, soles, buttocks and scrotum has been described. With severe poisoning, erythematous and exfoliative rash, unconsciousness, respiratory depression, and renal failure.


Thanks for bringing borax to my attention.
I'll avoid it from now.
Feel free to take it though, it's your life you're playing with.
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Curious about your thoughts on antibiotics? and perhaps aluminum in deodorants? or fluoride?
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Antibiotics are over-prescribed by about 70%. In some cases they can be life-savers, in others totally superfluous. I've refused to take them on more than one occasion, generally when they've been prescribed for me for a minor chest infection (and usually by a locum doctor).
I don't know enough about aluminium in deodorants to make an informed opinion. They're certainly not recommended to be used by people with severely reduced kidney function and aluminium has been linked to Alzheimer's in a couple of studies although nothing concrete. If in doubt, don't use them.
Fluoride however has been proven safe in numerous studies across the world and the alternative theories I've read have been little more than poorly researched conspiracies which tend not to stand up to serious scrutiny.
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Awesome post op ,bumpthank you
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Dietary animal protein and bone health

[link to www.ars.usda.gov]

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

[link to www.ajcn.org]
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Boron is an essential nutrient for all green plants.
Boron was used as a food preservative between 1870 and 1920, and during World Wars I and II.

And if this is true than how could it be poisonous to humans?

What chemical reactions take place in plants that would make the boron nonlethal, if in fact, some say it is lethal?

[link to www.nlm.nih.gov]

Website containing some useful tips on boron. I didn't see anywhere on this site which would have given cause for alarm.
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good reading here too - [link to naldc.nal.usda.gov]
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This is very interesting my grandmother has pretty bad arthritis and I was staying at my grandparents for about a week and got home today and this is an interesting coincidence for this info to be posted on glp because I decided that when I got home I would research some treatments for arthritis
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Thanks, great info!
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Does this mean that their "Essentials Natural Deoderant" which states NO ALUMINUM on the label falls under the same guise?
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


I will say yes, I use the Tom's Natural Deoderant, and also the Tom's Toothpaste without fluoride.

You can purchase these items @Trader Joes.
 Quoting: Orsolja


I purchased Tom's Natural Deoderant prior to the Essentials.

I start to STANK after about 2 hours with minimal activity. I might try the corn starch approach.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


Maybe the Borax would work here too?

I don't often use deodorant and I don't have a problem with odor. Maybe it's just my body chemistry?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15368494


Try using organic coconut oil, baking soda and essential oil for deoderant. It works wonderful and takes a small amount.
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Doctor told me today that nothing can be done to stop or even slow down my hip arthritis. I will just get worse till I am disabled, then I will be a candidate for hip replacement. Just take NSAIDs and Tylenol. Hoping the Boron works!!!!!!
I will try Adaquain next. It is works for our horse. We have been giving it IM to him for a few years. He has knee arthritis and has not been lame since we started.
Keomah
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Here is a good Borax article

[link to www.mineralszone.com]

Borax And Related Borates

Hydrated sodium borate
Na2B4O7 -10H2O

Borax fuses at a low temperature and easily dissolves in different important elements like copper, chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and uranium giving different characteristic colours.
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What just drink it?
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Doctor told me today that nothing can be done to stop or even slow down my hip arthritis. I will just get worse till I am disabled, then I will be a candidate for hip replacement. Just take NSAIDs and Tylenol. Hoping the Boron works!!!!!!
I will try Adaquain next. It is works for our horse. We have been giving it IM to him for a few years. He has knee arthritis and has not been lame since we started.
 Quoting: Keomah



Many dietary contributing factors. Apparently there have been many who stop & reverse the condition. Especially preventing the hip fractures caused by porous bone loss.


Dietary animal protein and bone health

[link to www.ars.usda.gov]

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

[link to www.ajcn.org]


[link to www.chiphealth.com]
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Doctor told me today that nothing can be done to stop or even slow down my hip arthritis. I will just get worse till I am disabled, then I will be a candidate for hip replacement. Just take NSAIDs and Tylenol. Hoping the Boron works!!!!!!
I will try Adaquain next. It is works for our horse. We have been giving it IM to him for a few years. He has knee arthritis and has not been lame since we started.
 Quoting: Keomah


You might also want to try Stinging NETTLE.

You can buy it dried at any health food store.
It comes in tinctures also.

It is great as a soothing bath. Just boil about a handful let in sit 5-10 min add it to your bath water(after the tub is filled) and why not enjoy a cup of nettle tea while your soaking.

I understand it does relieve the pain of arthritis.

Good luck
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Doctor told me today that nothing can be done to stop or even slow down my hip arthritis. I will just get worse till I am disabled, then I will be a candidate for hip replacement. Just take NSAIDs and Tylenol. Hoping the Boron works!!!!!!
I will try Adaquain next. It is works for our horse. We have been giving it IM to him for a few years. He has knee arthritis and has not been lame since we started.
 Quoting: Keomah



Many dietary contributing factors. Apparently there have been many who stop & reverse the condition. Especially preventing the hip fractures caused by porous bone loss.


Dietary animal protein and bone health

[link to www.ars.usda.gov]

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

[link to www.ajcn.org]


[link to www.chiphealth.com]
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Thanks for the info. I am already a vegetarian and have been for 30 years or more. I am still trying to improve my diet all the time.
Keomah
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Well, I read the thread and just now went to Swanson's site & got Boron caps. I feel a little safer taking those.

Kinda hard to face drinking something I have been killing ants with. I guess I could try it on the husband...for the sake of research.

I will check back with this thread in a few weeks and report on the results. (Doom permitting)cheer

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I have it bad, AS ankylosing spodylitis, it is so bad I want to kill myself as soon as my grandson does not need me so much. The contant unbearable pain. I want to know everything about this, baking soda did not help. I am also sceptical about using my cleaning powder in my water.
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hang in there freind I also have A.S. no need to wack yourself go with the maryjane for depression and just keep moving no matter how much pain you are in.Its a fucked up diesease forsure I cant even wipe my ass when I flare I just laugh at the pain fucking assholes have the cure they just aint sharing it.
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I forget if I posted this already earlier in the thread.

Here is the Earth Clinic page on borax:

[link to www.earthclinic.com]

As always Earth Clinic has a lot of great information. Highly recommended reading for all GLPers.

Here is their arthritis page:

[link to www.earthclinic.com]
Use this link to get $5.00 off your first order at Swanson Vitamins
[link to www.swansonvitamins.com]

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