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Prominent Scientists sign Declaration that Animals have Conscious Awareness, just like us

 
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My dog is more conscious and clever then most of the people I know. 5 stars.
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All sentient life has 'some' consciousness however all creatures do not have the same perceptive abilities! This statement is typical of the "Ahraminic agenda" -to intruduce very high technology into the consciousness of the people while simultaneously lowering our status to the level of animals!! Man has an immortal soul but the technology to prove this is being deprived from us.

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Yes, they have a pineal gland just like us. We need to stop torturing the animals and behave that they are here on mother earth to only serve us.
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Vanity - all is vanity.

size matters little, and the foolishness of many humans is unlimited.
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"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus. But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?"

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by the way, star ratings above "one star" would be appreciated so that an actual discussion can be formed about this, unfortunately it seems there are some out there who refuse to even read this because it assaults their religious/militant core beliefs of eating animals? jeez
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Animals DO NOT have "consciousness" like humans! Animals have ELEMENTALS, which is the closest they will get to a "proto-consciousness", so to speak! Animals don't know what they are! They feel they are alive, they feel their existence, but they don't know the purpose of it and they don't seek a purpose for life, like humans!

I don't know about Dolphins, but animals don't have a consciousness like humans have, THOUGH the elementals of domestic dogs and cats can evolve into human essence, which will allow further births as humans.
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Erm..... how would you know? Been one have you? Remember that women and other races were (and still are by many) thought of as being lesser, and incapable of thoughts and feelings, as a "real" human. We have made leaps and bounds in that regard. Now people must start to see that animals too deserve some respect.

Think on this, the very same scientists that reckon we evolved from apes perform horrific animal testing on them. We share most of our dna with the pig.

The only thing that separates us is really our inability to live within nature. Saying that they have no desire to live like us just shows that maybe they are content the way they are. Technological advancement is just one example of intelligence, I'd rather have common sense and peace.
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Go back to Jewish ways people, Go Kosher. They dont harm pigs and the laws demand kind treatment on animals...

They were right all along..

How long are Christians going to eat pork?

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It doesn't really matter if animals have conciousness or not it doesn't change anything. Many earth centered religions have believed amimals have conciousness and still eat them.
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Wow! Animals are conscious and aware of their surroundings as much as humans are? What a shock! Next you'll be telling us that they eat their leafy greens the same way as humans do! With their teeth.

conscious and aware =/= intelligent.
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So consciousness/awareness should not come into play when considering the feelings of an entity and whether or not it should be allowed to be imprisoned, harmed, caused pain, or killed for our benefit? Just intelligence?

I think most of our own damned race may as well themselves be in slaughterhouses then, so the "smart" people can have shiny human skin wallets and tasty soilent green burgers. Yum.
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Our "damned race" is the only creature that has ever lived (to our knowledge) on this planet that has culture. No other animal that has ever lived can rationalize. They have no ability to communicate other than to express simple, physical, emotional responses to their current environment.

They have no ability to learn they have no ability to think in the future. They have no concept of mutual exchange. Humans are inherently different, show me an animal that can think in the future, or has ever traded anything at all between another animal and I'll think about it.
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Actually I had 2 dogs once..and one of them was very smart..she would try to trade toys with the other bigger dog when he got her favorite toy, she would grab another toy and go put it next to him to exchange so she could have her favorite..so yes it seems they can do this. She would also put toys in your walk path so you would have to pick it up..she wanted you to throw it for her to go and chase..this proves that animals do have a concept of the future..everyone would laugh at how smart this little dog was.
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I gave you 5 stars.
I knew all along the animals were as conscious as people. Why are people so goddamn arrogant they think the world revolves around them and god is in their image.

Id rather see 1000 stupid humans die than 1 forest animal. Die humans die. Your fucking worthless like a virus or a plague. Die. All of you should kill yourselves.
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Really, they need a study to determine that.
Anyone one who spends time with animals could have told them that and saved them the cost of the research.

As for smart animals, my one cat taught himself how to turn on the bedroom lights and bathroom tap, when he wanted a drink.

Now if only he would teach himself how to turn the water off after he is finished, that would be an acomplishment.

Animals are like furry little kids.
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So how do dolphins fit into this, they rape others of their kind and drown other sea mammals?

Now that we assume they have conscious thought and can make a choice, should we arrest them?
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Corrected.
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Some poster above beautifully explained it to you and the "evil cats person". They don't really have a choice in the sense that humans have. Survival of the fittest and shit. The majority of humans have a choice to make a decision according to our moral code.
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Dolphins have also been known to save humans from drowning. When they were in the vicinity by pushing them to the surface with their noses..we can't deny the fact that they are smart and fully aware of their enviroment..and capable of logical reasoning.
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Go back to Jewish ways people, Go Kosher. They dont harm pigs and the laws demand kind treatment on animals...

They were right all along..

How long are Christians going to eat pork?
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Perhaps you should visit a Kosher meat packing plant sometime so that you can gain some perspective sans the Disneyland viewing glasses.
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Look at how the American Indians respected the land and their food.

When they killed it, they prayed over it and gave thanks to the Creator.

If you want to eat meat, go live off the land and kill it because you need to survive. Otherwise, stick to plant matter -- these fat cowards don't deserve to eat meat, they have no right, they've earned nothing.
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This was how the sacrifices at the Jewish temple went. The animals were prayed over and then eaten..People totallly misunderstood sacrifice today. Sacrifice meant giving honor and thanks to God for our food. The Jewish people were very much like the native Americans in their reverence for the land, and what God had given them.

Now its just a heartless assembly line that beats up animals in Christian America..
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I bet the Demoncraps will push to give all animals the right to vote...using their human "companions" as their proxy...lmao

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Why not they think they ought to be able to sue us?

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In the Bible God gives man dominion over all the animals. We are not supose to mistreat but use them to make our lives better (not creepy like either). This administration and a few others around the world are trying to put all else above man. Just the opposite of what God and common sense tells us.

I love my dogs more than anything. I think they were sent here to watch over us, comfort us, make us laugh, and teach us about unconditional love. But I also would not put them above my children.
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Go back to Jewish ways people, Go Kosher. They dont harm pigs and the laws demand kind treatment on animals...

They were right all along..

How long are Christians going to eat pork?
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Perhaps you should visit a Kosher meat packing plant sometime so that you can gain some perspective sans the Disneyland viewing glasses.

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As with anyone, inhumane practices abound. And they are exposed and charged, Theres been some scandals past few years.

But its wrong to eat pork...Pigs are intelligent. You are putting blinders on and ignoring truth.
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientists that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!

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This was how the sacrifices at the Jewish temple went. The animals were prayed over and then eaten..People totallly misunderstood sacrifice today. Sacrifice meant giving honor and thanks to God for our food. The Jewish people were very much like the native Americans in their reverence for the land, and what God had given them.

Now its just a heartless assembly line in Christian America..
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Indeed. The sacrifice was not complete until the flesh had been consumed by the community.

Ergo the nature of the sacrament.
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
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Science without spirituality and morals will not be allowed to advance..

Other civilizations were put a halt to when they didnt follow this guideline.

Spirituality is on the wane today in our instant gratification , materialistic, selfish society.

We have a long, long , long way to go still until we are mature and civilized..

Im sure we will still eat veggies and fruits though, lol.. But guess what, they were designed to be grown with love, not in a mass produced capitalistic society..
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
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I have read this also..I even read about lettuce or cabbage that showed emotion at being cut..it even screamed when hooked up to certain monitors and then showed fear when the person who cut it came back around. It really freaks me out as it seems all matter is alive..and if even the vegetation is capable of fear and pain we are left with not much choice to eat. I do think the plants and animals are here for a reason and part of it is to determine what kind of a person we are.
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But its wrong to eat pork...Pigs are intelligent. You are putting blinders on and ignoring truth.
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Some would say it is wrong to eat meat of any sort - they are no more or less wrong than any of us about such practices. Myself, I am not a vegan, but I do restrict my intake of animal proteins for both health and philosophical reasons.

What truth is it that I am blinded to? Some political hyperbole or these modern notions of Swine DNA?
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
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I have read this also..I even read about lettuce or cabbage that showed emotion at being cut..it even screamed when hooked up to certain monitors and then showed fear when the person who cut it came back around. It really freaks me out as it seems all matter is alive..and if even the vegetation is capable of fear and pain we are left with not much choice to eat. I do think the plants and animals are here for a reason and part of it is to determine what kind of a person we are.
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Ive noticed that when Im weed eating and trimming my backyard , all the other weeds would shake with fright, even though there was no breeze blowing.

And when I had to cut down a tree, the other trees were shaking and moving, again, no breeze...They were talking to eachother that danger was near..

Interesting stuff !
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


Science without spirituality and morals will not be allowed to advance..

Other civilizations were put a halt to when they didnt follow this guideline.

Spirituality is on the wane today in our instant gratification , materialistic, selfish society.

We have a long, long , long way to go still until we are mature and civilized..

Im sure we will still eat veggies and fruits though, lol.. But guess what, they were designed to be grown with love, not in a mass produced capitalistic society..
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Well if the economy goes the way predicted Meat will be priced out by most, and we may return to the mainly fruits and veggie diet which is ok by me. I think the way the Earth is going it's all related to our lack of appreciation of nature. Which is the main reason we are here, to experience the physical world and marvel in the beauty of nature and it's wonders. Abuse it...and the consequences are severe.
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[link to io9.com]

"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus. But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?"

click link to read further

by the way, star ratings above "one star" would be appreciated so that an actual discussion can be formed about this, unfortunately it seems there are some out there who refuse to even read this because it assaults their religious/militant core beliefs of eating animals? jeez
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Animals DO NOT have "consciousness" like humans! Animals have ELEMENTALS, which is the closest they will get to a "proto-consciousness", so to speak! Animals don't know what they are! They feel they are alive, they feel their existence, but they don't know the purpose of it and they don't seek a purpose for life, like humans!

I don't know about Dolphins, but animals don't have a consciousness like humans have, THOUGH the elementals of domestic dogs and cats can evolve into human essence, which will allow further births as humans.
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Yes, they don't contemplate the meaning of life or have a spiritual need. Humans are different than animals in that we are made in the image of God. But the Bible does say that we are to have dominion over the animals(which we do not these days since the fall of Eden) and take care of them. Never abuse them. We have been given permission to use them as food(after Noah's flood) but again they should never be abused. And this is sadly happening everyday just like humans abuse humans.
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


I have read this also..I even read about lettuce or cabbage that showed emotion at being cut..it even screamed when hooked up to certain monitors and then showed fear when the person who cut it came back around. It really freaks me out as it seems all matter is alive..and if even the vegetation is capable of fear and pain we are left with not much choice to eat. I do think the plants and animals are here for a reason and part of it is to determine what kind of a person we are.
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Ive noticed that when Im weed eating and trimming my backyard , all the other weeds would shake with fright, even though there was no breeze blowing.

And when I had to cut down a tree, the other trees were shaking and moving, again, no breeze...They were talking to eachother that danger was near..

Interesting stuff !
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Yes, why some who talk to their plants have wonderful growth and health of those plants. It's not crazy stuff! Just because some understand it and most don't , doesn't make it nutty.
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientist that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


I have read this also..I even read about lettuce or cabbage that showed emotion at being cut..it even screamed when hooked up to certain monitors and then showed fear when the person who cut it came back around. It really freaks me out as it seems all matter is alive..and if even the vegetation is capable of fear and pain we are left with not much choice to eat. I do think the plants and animals are here for a reason and part of it is to determine what kind of a person we are.
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Ive noticed that when Im weed eating and trimming my backyard , all the other weeds would shake with fright, even though there was no breeze blowing.

And when I had to cut down a tree, the other trees were shaking and moving, again, no breeze...They were talking to eachother that danger was near..

Interesting stuff !
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Yes, why some who talk to their plants have wonderful growth and health of those plants. It's not crazy stuff! Just because some understand it and most don't , doesn't make it nutty.
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Plants like to be talked to, they love music.. It just takes treating them right..

Like move on up to Kobe beef, The beef cattle are treated better, they get massages, their hair gets brushed and given beer. The beef is tastier..

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[link to io9.com]

"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus. But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?"

click link to read further

by the way, star ratings above "one star" would be appreciated so that an actual discussion can be formed about this, unfortunately it seems there are some out there who refuse to even read this because it assaults their religious/militant core beliefs of eating animals? jeez
 Quoting: ChickenInACan


Animals DO NOT have "consciousness" like humans! Animals have ELEMENTALS, which is the closest they will get to a "proto-consciousness", so to speak! Animals don't know what they are! They feel they are alive, they feel their existence, but they don't know the purpose of it and they don't seek a purpose for life, like humans!

I don't know about Dolphins, but animals don't have a consciousness like humans have, THOUGH the elementals of domestic dogs and cats can evolve into human essence, which will allow further births as humans.
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Yes, they don't contemplate the meaning of life or have a spiritual need. Humans are different than animals in that we are made in the image of God. But the Bible does say that we are to have dominion over the animals(which we do not these days since the fall of Eden) and take care of them. Never abuse them. We have been given permission to use them as food(after Noah's flood) but again they should never be abused. And this is sadly happening everyday just like humans abuse humans.
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Been inside their heads have you.

We have no clue what animals are thinking.
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientists that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
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I must say that I'm intuitively highly skeptical of plants being able to feel pain bc. they don't have any kind of nervous system or brain but of course am willing to accept that I'm wrong if this is proven. Was this study peer reviewed? Do you remember any data on methodology?

OTOH animals undisputedly have brains and nervous systems and are definitely able to feel pain. For now, we should aim to draw the line there, I think. According to one's abilities, of course.
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Conciousness is not the same a conscience...

Animals are obviously aware of their surroundings, but they think intinctually (as we do to some extent), but humans are sentient, we are able to rise above instinct (on some rare occasions)...
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I'm just not sure how far we take this..there are studies from prominent scientists that show a CUCUMBER hooked up to pain monitors that when cut into a Cucumber shows 4 times the pain a human does on the machine. I think somehow we have to come to grips with the concept that Animals and Plants have chosen to be here for a specific reason. I do believe we need to be HUMANE at all cost. I'm struggling with the rest though!
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


I must say that I'm intuitively highly skeptical of plants being able to feel pain bc. they don't have any kind of nervous system or brain but of course am willing to accept that I'm wrong if this is proven. Was this study peer reviewed? Do you remember any data on methodology?

OTOH animals undisputedly have brains and nervous systems and are definitely able to feel pain. For now, we should aim to draw the line there, I think. According to one's abilities, of course.
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I'll try to find it and post it for you, it was a few years ago
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Conciousness is not the same a conscience...

Animals are obviously aware of their surroundings, but they think intinctually (as we do to some extent), but humans are sentient, we are able to rise above instinct (on some rare occasions)...
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they do NOT have an expanded consciousness, correct!
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It doesn't really matter if animals have conciousness or not it doesn't change anything. Many earth centered religions have believed amimals have conciousness and still eat them.
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well people eat people too, don't make it right!

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