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Prominent Scientists sign Declaration that Animals have Conscious Awareness, just like us

 
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And this was posted at what time?
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op posted at 6:11

Matthew 6:11 Give us today our daily bread.
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BTW how much was spent on a study to proclaim that animals are not oblivious to their surroundings?
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how much money has been spent on the iraq war? how much money has mcdonalds spent on advertising this year? how much money could've been made over the past 80 years if marijuana/hemp was legal and taxed? how much money would it take to research cancer cures which are NOT patent-able, yet proven to work, in comparison to the combined revenues of pharmaceutical companies? I think these are more pressing questions, if you're going to be bitching about wasted money
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BTW how much was spent on a study to proclaim that animals are not oblivious to their surroundings?
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how much money has been spent on the iraq war? how much money has mcdonalds spent on advertising this year? how much money could've been made over the past 80 years if marijuana/hemp was legal and taxed? how much money would it take to research cancer cures which are NOT patent-able, yet proven to work, in comparison to the combined revenues of pharmaceutical companies? I think these are more pressing questions, if you're going to be bitching about wasted money
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So you're content with the wasted money spent for this none-news?
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Of course they do... It is only our arrogance and stupidity that has allowed us to believe anything different.

We really are a pathetic species!
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I have read this also..I even read about lettuce or cabbage that showed emotion at being cut..it even screamed when hooked up to certain monitors and then showed fear when the person who cut it came back around. It really freaks me out as it seems all matter is alive..and if even the vegetation is capable of fear and pain we are left with not much choice to eat. I do think the plants and animals are here for a reason and part of it is to determine what kind of a person we are.
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Ive noticed that when Im weed eating and trimming my backyard , all the other weeds would shake with fright, even though there was no breeze blowing.

And when I had to cut down a tree, the other trees were shaking and moving, again, no breeze...They were talking to eachother that danger was near..

Interesting stuff !
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Yes, why some who talk to their plants have wonderful growth and health of those plants. It's not crazy stuff! Just because some understand it and most don't , doesn't make it nutty.
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Plants like to be talked to, they love music.. It just takes treating them right..

Like move on up to Kobe beef, The beef cattle are treated better, they get massages, their hair gets brushed and given beer. The beef is tastier..

Love is the higher vibration in all things.. Everything needs to be done with love.
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Pythagoras truly believed that God never said let there be light, but more importantly.....LET THERE BE SOUND! All vibrations and if we had hearing acute enough we would be able to hear the universe, I would suspect the earths sound is keyed down at the moment and most can hear or feel it without really knowing why or what they are feeling.
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vegan for the win:)




it's all about consciousness....vibrations...frequency and karma if you will
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Sadly not all 'human' have conscious. You don't see baboons rape another baboon or murder other baboons for a couple of nuts.

They should really come up with a new category for something other than human and animal, that is something in the human form but much lower consciousness level than animals.
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Conciousness is not the same a conscience...

Animals are obviously aware of their surroundings, but they think intinctually (as we do to some extent), but humans are sentient, we are able to rise above instinct (on some rare occasions)...
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they do NOT have an expanded consciousness, correct!
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Animals have instinct to just take what they need for minimal comfort and sustanance. Humans are the only species that goes way above and beyond what they need for living. Some planet we are when theres billions of people without clean water, while others have enough money that could feed a million families..

Its pathetic when expanded consciousness means headlines like this..

From one page..

US foreign arms sales hit $66.3 billion in 20011

Iran opens summit with a nuclear appeal.

Hundreds are killed in Syrian massacre

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Were the walking and living trees of Good and Evil.
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[link to io9.com]

"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus. But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?"

click link to read further

by the way, star ratings above "one star" would be appreciated so that an actual discussion can be formed about this, unfortunately it seems there are some out there who refuse to even read this because it assaults their religious/militant core beliefs of eating animals? jeez
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Animals DO NOT have "consciousness" like humans! Animals have ELEMENTALS, which is the closest they will get to a "proto-consciousness", so to speak! Animals don't know what they are! They feel they are alive, they feel their existence, but they don't know the purpose of it and they don't seek a purpose for life, like humans!

I don't know about Dolphins, but animals don't have a consciousness like humans have, THOUGH the elementals of domestic dogs and cats can evolve into human essence, which will allow further births as humans.
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Yes, they don't contemplate the meaning of life or have a spiritual need. Humans are different than animals in that we are made in the image of God. But the Bible does say that we are to have dominion over the animals(which we do not these days since the fall of Eden) and take care of them. Never abuse them. We have been given permission to use them as food(after Noah's flood) but again they should never be abused. And this is sadly happening everyday just like humans abuse humans.
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Been inside their heads have you.

We have no clue what animals are thinking.
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Yet you think they have have consciousness, without knowing what goes on inside their head.
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Every single damn thing on this planet comes from planet. There are vibrational studies on everything. The water study is amazing and how yelling at water or music changes the configuration. There is so much we have to learn. We can only break down things into so many different atoms. The last 15 years I have spent practicing and perfecting my Aura reading skills. EVERYTHING WITH AN ATOMIC STRUCTURE HAS AN AURA!!! YEP, be nice to your car, keep it clean, talk to it and you might have better results. lol The dirtiest cars seem to be broken down a lot!!!
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Animals DO NOT have "consciousness" like humans! Animals have ELEMENTALS, which is the closest they will get to a "proto-consciousness", so to speak! Animals don't know what they are! They feel they are alive, they feel their existence, but they don't know the purpose of it and they don't seek a purpose for life, like humans!

I don't know about Dolphins, but animals don't have a consciousness like humans have, THOUGH the elementals of domestic dogs and cats can evolve into human essence, which will allow further births as humans.
 Quoting: UndercoverAlien


Yes, they don't contemplate the meaning of life or have a spiritual need. Humans are different than animals in that we are made in the image of God. But the Bible does say that we are to have dominion over the animals(which we do not these days since the fall of Eden) and take care of them. Never abuse them. We have been given permission to use them as food(after Noah's flood) but again they should never be abused. And this is sadly happening everyday just like humans abuse humans.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Been inside their heads have you.

We have no clue what animals are thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


Yet you think they have have consciousness, without knowing what goes on inside their head.
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Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..
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thx


shared ....
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Thus leaving you with no more rights than the animal. Genocide is no more in animal slaughter.

tdown scientists are paid liars
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Exactly!

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Yes, they don't contemplate the meaning of life or have a spiritual need. Humans are different than animals in that we are made in the image of God. But the Bible does say that we are to have dominion over the animals(which we do not these days since the fall of Eden) and take care of them. Never abuse them. We have been given permission to use them as food(after Noah's flood) but again they should never be abused. And this is sadly happening everyday just like humans abuse humans.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Been inside their heads have you.

We have no clue what animals are thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


Yet you think they have have consciousness, without knowing what goes on inside their head.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21437458


Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..
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cool stuff there
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Coming soon: Scientists sign a declaration that night follows day. World steps back in amazement.
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My dog is more conscious and clever then most of the people I know. 5 stars.
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Epic comment :D

And yeah mine too.
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Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..


Spiritual Work is code for using your penis, right? Fucking whacko..
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Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..


Spiritual Work is code for using your penis, right? Fucking whacko..
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Its a vision quest, that the Native Americans knew how to do. The art of leaving your body is thousands of years old and done by many civilizations.

I do it drug free cause I know how to prep my body without it, to leave the experience pure..
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Thus leaving you with no more rights than the animal. Genocide is no more in animal slaughter.

tdown scientists are paid liars
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*I think that poster meant to say "Genocide is no more THAN animal slaughter.

!!!This is really not about increasing animal rights, it is about decreasing OUR rights!!!
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Will that make animals stop eating other animals? will lions go vegetarian if they know the pain of the victims they kill ?

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals !


will worms stop eating our corpses after we die ?

This world is Lucifers creation (hell) all is a bad joke , deceit, illusion.
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In a way our expansion of consciousness over the past 100 or so years has hurt our spirituality. It has focused our world to everything seen, touched and heard. It has rendered our use of our Pineal gland to almost Zero. There for our connection to the spirit world and our higher self has been shut out. It's a shame but it's where we are.
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Been inside their heads have you.

We have no clue what animals are thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


Yet you think they have have consciousness, without knowing what goes on inside their head.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21437458


Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


cool stuff there
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I didnt even know about a bears sense of smell before. I mean, I knew not to leave food around at the camp. lol. But had no idea their sense of smell was THAT powerful, more than a dog. They are even able to smell thru sealed containers

I had learned about it after I described the experience of my vision quest and totem animal excercise.

We all can have a totem animal, spirit guide if we ask for it and the animal chooses us.
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Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21437458


Spiritual Work is code for using your penis, right? Fucking whacko..


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Will that make animals stop eating other animals? will lions go vegetarian if they know the pain of the victims they kill ?

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals !


will worms stop eating our corpses after we die ?

This world is Lucifers creation (hell) all is a bad joke , deceit, illusion.
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It will be what you make it....seems you made a choice
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In a way our expansion of consciousness over the past 100 or so years has hurt our spirituality. It has focused our world to everything seen, touched and heard. It has rendered our use of our Pineal gland to almost Zero. There for our connection to the spirit world and our higher self has been shut out. It's a shame but it's where we are.
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


Thats why pornography replacing a real intimate encounter with a real woman is so damaging. I cant even begin to explain the harm.

Our world is dwindling down to zero spirituality, The Christians think sitting in church for one hour listening to the pastor is spirituality, What a shame..
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Yet you think they have have consciousness, without knowing what goes on inside their head.
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Many animals have much more abilities than humans do. In my spiritual work, I went inside the body of a bear in a vision quest..

Its sense of smell was amazing ! I could isolate a zillion different scents from just the dirt..They could see with their nose basically... A bears sense of smell is much more powerful than even a bloodhound..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


cool stuff there
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


I didnt even know about a bears sense of smell before. I mean, I knew not to leave food around at the camp. lol. But had no idea their sense of smell was THAT powerful, more than a dog. They are even able to smell thru sealed containers

I had learned about it after I described the experience of my vision quest and totem animal excercise.

We all can have a totem animal, spirit guide if we ask for it and the animal chooses us.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


I have never done totem animal exercise but I have ventured into mind control with animals. I have spent time with Voodoo in the Bayou just North of New Orleans and have done relaxation exercises in the swamp full of Gators and Snakes. Animals are keen to fear, so drowning out your fear and meshing with the animals makes humans almost invisible. It's the fear factor that gets animals alerted and concerned how to deal with humans.
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In a way our expansion of consciousness over the past 100 or so years has hurt our spirituality. It has focused our world to everything seen, touched and heard. It has rendered our use of our Pineal gland to almost Zero. There for our connection to the spirit world and our higher self has been shut out. It's a shame but it's where we are.
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


Thats why pornography replacing a real intimate encounter with a real woman is so damaging. I cant even begin to explain the harm.

Our world is dwindling down to zero spirituality, The Christians think sitting in church for one hour listening to the pastor is spirituality, What a shame..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


haha sadly that is exactly what it has come down to, but you know TPTB don't want you to be spiritual, it's dangerous to them. They want to keep everyone unconnected!
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Conciousness is not the same a conscience...

Animals are obviously aware of their surroundings, but they think intinctually (as we do to some extent), but humans are sentient, we are able to rise above instinct (on some rare occasions)...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


they do NOT have an expanded consciousness, correct!
 Quoting: ****SUPERFLY****


Expanded conciousness is a broad term. I've seen animals, particularly dogs and horses grieve, they obviously feel pain and pleasure in much the same way we do, but these feelings and yes, emotions, are somewhat instinctual. I like the term sentient because we are able to rise above instinct! It's what's made us the apex predator of the planet, despite the fact that we have very little going for us physically (at least in natures terms).

Apollo brought up the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. When a shark or bear attacks you, there is no evil intent, he's not there to steal your money or take your possessions, he's hungry, or trying to protect his territory, a female protecting her young, it's intinctual...

When a human attacks you he likely has some motive behind it...

When a member of a pack becomes injured or infirm, they cast him out, for the good of the pack, again, instinctual...

When a human becomes injured or infirm, we (hopefully) care for them and try to get them better, hopefully rising above the instinct to merely cast them aside...

I could go on and on, but these are the general differences of which I speak...

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I gave you 5 stars.
I knew all along the animals were as conscious as people. Why are people so goddamn arrogant they think the world revolves around them and god is in their image.

Id rather see 1000 stupid humans die than 1 forest animal. Die humans die. Your fucking worthless like a virus or a plague. Die. All of you should kill yourselves.
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I know it is completely immoral to think this way, but I feel the same, however, who would be the judge of "stupid"? I have lots of ideas of where to start but that is off topic carry on"
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