Was Castaneda Right?

Are the 'phantoms' influencing the eagle? Or are the 'phantoms' attempting to destroy 'the eagle's gift'?

Since Don Matus said that there is no need to 'pray' to the eagle because the human component of it is insignificant to the whole...and only mankind has this 'ego'...aren't these 'phantom' entities doomed to fail?

Regardless of what the black magicians do to the planet, odds are they will be wiped out and some form of life will continue to exist afterwards...thus the eagle will exist.

Therefore, this is a spiritual war centered squarely on mankind's ability to take advantage of 'the eagle's gift'.

Just my opinion.

So, do you think our memories are actually implanted by an adversarial species?

Do you mean memories of our personal experiences on this planet in our current lifetime?

WHat Castaneda said is that our true human memory is actually replaced either before or shortly after birth with an artificial memory that robs us of our true identify and renders us pretty much helpless and powerless. This is done intentionally by an advanced, extremely intelligent "predator" that is very hard for us to detect with our normal range of vision.

Yes, by means of the conforming power of the internal dialogue. The necessity of verbal communication is used against us to mold our perception when we are unable to shut it off. This is why the internal dialogue is key...it connects us to a common perception shared by mankind. It provides us with a false sense of fear, clarity, and power. These enemies work together to force us to fight one another over what the accepted shared perception of the world should be.

What is hidden underneath this veil is much more than just memories of a previous awareness. All that is unknown to us is underneath it. The ability to withstand the unknowable is there as well.

The 'phantoms' want to smash our spiritual ability to take advantage of the eagle's gift that spreads our awareness to dimensions unknown. I can only assume that this is because somewhere in the endless mystery of the unknowable, our forefathers who were able to escape are a threat to them.

They are trying to shut down the source, IMO.

Thanks! Great answer. I think you're right that something about the innate potential of aware human beings is a threat to some inter-dimensional parasite
that has figured out a nearly invisible way to keep us permanently disabled.

The older I get, the more convinced I am that this planet is plagued with many different parasites that we have virtually no understanding of.

Yes. I agree with that. There are more than just these phantoms. Many forces are at work here, although I do think they rely on the phantoms infiltration of the internal dialogue. There is a pyramidal structure at work here. The phantoms are the foundation that holds the weight of everything else going on.

And what of 'the death defyer'. What role does he play in this? Why the truce with the lineage?

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My take is he was/is a powerful sorcerer that took a very strange detour that permanently changed his path beyond his ability to control. The knowledge he brought in exchange was a fair trade. Perhaps he played a significant role in moving the lineage away from dark sorcery as well. That part of the Castaneda story I always found difficult to decipher.

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Same here. And because it was the most cryptic, it is the most fascinating to me.

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Another fascinating aspect of the story is the material success of the sorcerers in the everyday world. This is a stark contrast from nearly every spiritual story/narrative you come across. Their mastery and science of controlled folly to turn a round a situation of near total racial exploitation is absolutely fascinating and a real contrast to so many spiritual traditions.

The predator race eg Reptilian ET's have enslaved and is farming humanity....thats what it comes down to

Have you seen one of these reptilians or do you personally know anyone who has?

Are you suggesting that there is a class of wealthy sorcerers/men of knowledge who actively oppose the maniacal consolidation of economic/political/technological power that 'the elite' class is using on the masses to keep them mired in self importance and ignorant of the very simple concept of inner silence?

"I think we're property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something."

Charles Fort, The Book of the Damned

I guess what I LOVE about this aspect is that instead of retreating to some type of monastic existence, they, instead, became very good and efficient at mastering the "real" world (tonal) and turned a situation of being totally dominated and in helpless poverty to a group of financially independent and engaged warriors.

This, to me, is the answer. We need an exponential expansion of spiritually awakening people to beat the manipulators at their own game. Don Juan's struggle to become comfortable in Western suits and his task to master accounting are a fascinating aspect of his own learning.

So, what do we do, produce or provide that makes it worth the effort to "manage" us?

From years and years of psychedlics!

I hope you are right, my friend. I have seen no evidence of this. But if they exist as you describe...masterful stalkers...they would have infiltrated into the other camp leaving no visible sign of their intent. They would have to use some form of 'sorcery' undetectable to their enemies in order to coordinate, surveil, and plan without being detected.

This could only be done with masterful stalkers and dreamers working together while avoiding detection by both the opposing human element and inorganic being element.

It seems farfetched. But Castaneda's works did seed the possibility of such a thing.

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Are you suggesting that psychedelics were the key to his success/talent? If so, why/why not?

My favorite spiritual tradition is Taoism. It would suggest that for every "accomplished" evil/predatory being or evil secret society, there would exist and equally skillful/accomplished beneficial being. That all the evil/predatory/parasitic energy on this planet is indeed balanced by an equally motivated and enlightened counter group. Suggesting that the most powerful of both groups are hidden from one another and us.

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Perhaps you are right. I am naturally a cynic. I have viewed the situation as this:

The forces of 'evil' that seek to control the masses by killing once and for all mankind's connecting link with intent are indeed a small group. But their minions are numerous.

They have a fragile alliance amongst them. Competition amongst them is encouraged. They are in a system that is performance based, thus they try to outmaneuver each other for more power. The higher up you go in their system, the more 'perks' (indulgences) you get rewarded with. But at the same time, more pressure is put on you to produce.

This system exists because so few are in control of so many. It's a command and control styled system that insulates the elite of elite ruling class at the center, who must serve some sort of powerful inorganic/supernatural force.

So just as the inorganic beings have a pyramidal structure with the phantoms at the bottom, the human element has a mirror structure with the average black magician working class stiff at the bottom.

The inorganic beings are maneuvering for power as well...the parasitic element that you mentioned.

While there may be a counter class of warriors/men of knowledge/sorcerers fighting to preserve the eagles gift, there is no corresponding system. The counter force is headless/leaderless.

The only way to keep the system in check is to play on the competitive nature, the greed for power, inherent in the system. To amplify the struggle for greed among the wanna be elitists.

Get the factions to split. Divide them as they have divided the masses. Steer them into opportunistic conflicts amongst themselves. Give them a false sense of security. Get them to believe in their own lies.

Draw them out in the open and drown them like the sharks they are.

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I lived in NYC in the late 80's when John Gotti got Caught and the various mafia families dropped the whole loyalty code and turned on one another. I think this is exactly what's going on at a high level of our global power structure. Many of the recent scandals (Libor, London Whale, money laundering, etc) is evidence that some fairly highly placed people have gotten caught and are turning on the rest of the crowd, in most cases pretty secretly. I think we're in the early stages of a major operation to nail some very high level operatives that should intensify in the next 6 months.

Also think that power is multi dimensional as is out universe. It may seem at one level of our dimensional drama that one "group" is dominating when, in reality, it is sorting out at "higher" dimensional levels that are simply beyond our current pay grade.

My guess is that it is cyclic on some level for reasons way beyond my understanding. It is the way that more conscious beings are created and the mysteries of corruption, exploitation and evil are experienced and understood. I am also suspicious that the great awareness "jumps" are more an individual or small group affair than some kind of mass ascension as predicted by so many groups. Perhaps all the predators serve a very important purpose to provide the drama to push those that are ready over the edge and the rest back into the grinder.

Great observations.

At the same time all these scandals are materializing in the mainstream view, the consolidation plans seem to be kicking into high gear.

There is so much uncertainty in the world right now. More than I have ever seen in my lifetime (which is only 36 years).

The Euro on the brink of collapse, the desperate seizure of natural resources, efforts at De-industrialization, bio-engineering and genetic tinkering with the food chain on a maddening reckless scale, the rapid expansion of the police state, the sudden rolling out of high tech applications to keep tabs on what is going on, the constant re-doubling of the efforts of mass suggestion and predictive programming coinciding with the roll out of software/hardware to make/analyze the predictions and trends.

Does all this strike you as the work of a patient adversary confident that victory is at hand?

Every quote I can think of involving warfare is anchored on the idea that quick decisions are unsafe decisions.

And then there is the esoteric quote that fortune favors the bold.

The enemy we face is, I believe, an esoteric one: veiled behind beggars and petty tyrants.

What a pity it would be if they accomplished their intent...to cancel out intent altogether.

There are some really important macro changes happening right now that I find encouraging. The most important is transparency. We are in the early stages of unparalleled access to information at all levels, some of which has been hidden from the masses for literally centuries. We're infants at this point in how to handle all this new information. We're not even sure how to organize or respond, but that is changing and changing fast.

Another key is de-centralizing of power even though at the surface it seems wealth is concentrating. There are many more players and influencers on the global financial, energy and war scene than ever before and the more players you put in, the harder it becomes to manipulate with centralized "planning." These interests do not agree. They seem to be falling apart in terms of coordination.

Finally, I think we're getting closer and closer to critical mass of humans on this planet that are at a much higher awareness level than we've seen in our modern era. Certainly still many, many more sleepwalkers, but there are more people waking up than I've ever seen, by a wide, wide margin.

I could care less about the Euro and if it fails, it will have 30-days of impact on the markets ... much less than 9/11 and/or Lehman's collapse. South America is coming online and will be a very positive influence on the natural resource situation of the planet. Our technology allows for a level of quick, chaordic organizing that has never existed.

As many positives as negatives from my perch.

More great observations. This is a fascinating conversation.

I could care less about the Euro as well. The only reason I mentioned it was that now we know it had been planned for decades and decades. The seeds of it were planted after WWII, and a lot of effort went into the creation of it. Many of these elitists devoted their entire lives to make it happen.

Now it is about to crumble apart. I see it as just another piece of evidence that some sort of flux has descended on the world and the winds of it are eroding the most carefully laid plans and schemes.

But a beast is most dangerous when it is wounded and backed into a corner.

The next few months will be VERY interesting.

Do I ever agree with you on that! Truth is, what the "old guard" really has control over is the coordination and distribution of news. There is literally a "key indicator" that comes out every single day that can move markets, fear and geo political positions. The same corporations that own the energy/banking own military supply and distribute news. This is what we're seeing now. It isn't even news that's being distributed anymore ... it's data ... surveys ... etc. It's not even real. And I see a new reaction of people getting numb to it and paying less and less attention. At some point, it's going to have minimal impact and they'll have to put up or shut up ... ratings are way, way down. It is causing them to over play their hand.

There are billions of people on this planet that are going to continue to grow food, make products, move goods no matter what happens to the global macro scene. I think global macro control is crumbling and we are in the early stages of moving to a more regional production, distribution and consumption model. As the cost of energy becomes greater in the pricing models than the cost of labor, EVERYTHING changes. That's what's happening.

I question whether the military leaders in the world are willing to fight another big war. I think there is a lot of opposition to the Iran situation coming from the Pentagon and inside the Israeli army. The coordination is falling apart but it's hard to see it with all the cry wolf news reporting we see intensifying.