Was Castaneda Right?

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Don't feed the fucking trolls. They are but here to disrupt, the energy of this thread has been really good up to this point. And a lot of truth has been shared by many. I'm sure they just hate that. sk

Last Edited by seeker2 on 08/30/2012 12:15 PM

Anyway, it's a fascinating topic ... Why our memory is the way it is ... why we come into this life with such a poorly functioning memory and, of course, is there a conscious force out there that is limiting the human species as a type of parasite that prevents us from remember and knowing who we really are.

A great topic to consider as we dive deeper and deeper into the mystery of who we really are.

"To erase his memory Ra the people made"

an you play chess with your self?

no..because you know the next move..but if you cut your
memories? you will see the other person (your self) as
another person without knowing its you...

now you can play..

God was alone, so he created universe (his material and not only, body) and between all, live beings and he live every
life of every human, ant, tiger, cow, warrior, priest, man,
woman,microbe, virus,alien every where in universe and in everyb time for billions and billions of years..

Helives every life in this universe with pain or happiness,
wandering, fearing or whatever feelings...

can you imagine experiences?

but if every piece of him, me you whoever was remembering
that he is part of Him nothing of these experiences would
have a value, like playing chess with your self

cuting the memories (He take them back after the death,
like knowledge and experience) he live continuesly
billions and trillions of lifes from trillions years
before, to infinity

Very good post ... thx.

my pleasure:)

What you speak of is the archon interface, deep web. They are able to scour the words we type in real time (because we are connected to them, via this interface) to deduce what we're feeling and thus are able to troll and deflect and derail at every opportunity possible. It's sort of a paradox, they created the web where ALL information is gathering, they use it to capture our thoughts and feelings and at the same time they are trying to ensnare us into new paradigms. The information is there for all to see, but they use doubt to make you disbelieve and question your intuition.

My sentiments exactly. nice

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I'm pretty naive and unaware of the plumbing of the web and have no reason to doubt you ..

My take is that the goal is, was and always will be to consume our hours with outward engagement in activities that lead nowhere. Offering endless choices all dead ends.

When it's all said and done, our memory is the most important possession we have ... by far with perhaps the exception of health, although that's debatable. Health with no memory????

Makes sense that a super predator would target memory. Control that and you control an entire species. Game over.

The most effective way to control any group is to control their memory. That's essentially what history and education is all about. Giving large groups of people a memory that serves a certain purpose.

The most advanced species on the planet is doing it to us ... the same way we do it it to ourselves

I disagree slightly OP. Memory may be important.

But the game is intent. The excerpt you posted is a great example. Don Matus's focus was getting at how human beings have been pacified. Their magic has been taken away. The internal dialogue is the mechanism that is being used to do this.

Our connecting link with intent is what the ballgame is all about. Denying the memory of past lives (if there have been past lives) is only a way to get at our ability to intend.

I'm sure there could be a rigorous debate about the existence of the memories themselves, the method by which such memories are taken away with our consent, the effectiveness of this tactic, etc. But I don't think it is my place to defend a viewpoint in this debate.

The cool thing about the internet and forums like this is that you can express whatever you wish through just a name you choose. How long will that last I wonder?

Very good point ... will think about it ... It's a real pleasure to exchange ideas with someone that knows what they're talking about ...

Obviously you haven't read the books. After trying them, he stopped using them. So, not "years and years".

It's pretty easy to pick out people who have read Castaneda vs those who heard a rumor about him ... Truth is, psychadelics played a relatively small part in his journey ...

Also, wars (in every form) erase a lot of memories. By destroying people with the memories, and by destroying written records.

Don't get me wrong. Memory is significant...otherwise the emphasis on re-capitulation wouldn't have been in the books.

So I don't mean to diminish your exploration of the ideas you are sharing at all...but the end goal is and always has been the crux of shamanism...the attack on our ability to stop our internal dialogue and the destruction of the awareness that we talk to ourselves at all.

And thank you, OP. The feeling is mutual.

They're not the "most advanced" (at least not spiritually, emotionally, mentally, or physically -- in other words not in any ~Human ways); only the most vicious, greedy, needy, consumeristic and aggressive.

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What can I say about Carlitos?

I know the subject backwards and forwards, and although I did not quite know Castaneda personally, I know some of his inner circle in Mexico too.

All I can generally say is that Carlos Castaneda was a total liar and fabricator... in extraneous details.

If you have read his works well then you will understand that this is a basic part of the philosophy.

But as far as the important spiritual or "energetic" knowledge he taught, most or all of it is spot on and IMO the best package of spiritual knowledge out there. This from the notebook of a consummate liar.

His anthropology in relation occult Mexican traditions check out correct too, the more and more years I live here and get to know firsthand the real historic Nagual lineages of central Mexico.

Good work OP.

I got bored of the twilight zone.

The ability to silence the inner dialogue is like the key to the ignition. It gets the engine started ... where the engine takes you is a whole other topic, however. Many roads, many destinations and not all are "better" than where we are now.

In terms of memory, the thread really started with the idea of the predator or parasites on this planet and how they control us through our memory. The way out of the trap, however, is what you are keenly sharing!

He was a masterful storyteller and he opened up a lot of worlds for God knows how many people. He was able to make the impossible seem quite possible and I'm sure his writing style adapted to that goal. His impact on our culture is difficult to over estimate.

and yet the only animal with no natural predator in Africa is a full grown white rhino.

His works have certainly made a profound impact on my life. Without any doubt, and with no exaggeration I can say that the ideas contained in his works have radically transformed the way I view myself, and this world.

Indeed, the path that was opened up to me has been full of terror and wonder.

Despite the most hellish of experiences I have witnessed as a result of this profound transformation, I don't regret a single thing. I feel humbled by it. I feel like I may be the luckiest person in the world.

Sure, I still have 'problems' related to the ordinary concerns of my ordinary self. But now these 'problems' aren't a blessing or a curse. Now they aren't endless but rather controlled folly.

Just as detachment has given me an extra instant to consider things...a way of compressing time...intent has given me a new dimension to play with. Ordinary interaction with what I consider to be ordinary people has taken on new color and meaning. In this way, my life is full to the brim and everything is equal.

So, for that I thank Carlitos, Don Juan Matus, Don Genaro, Dona Soledad, La Gorda, Pablito, Nestor, the little sisters...all of them.

The only way to thank them properly is to continue down the path of most heart...going as far as I can....and finally confronting death with joyous laughter.

"no benefit to us whatsoever of being born without our memories of our past ..."

Our memories are lost through various traumas, like childbirth or other incidents, whether in childhood or otherwise. Life in this World involves almost constant and repetitive traumas. I can't comment on reincarnation (I have no conscious memories of previous embodied lives), but I do believe that before our bodies were born, our minds and souls existed, possessing consciousness and memory.

Some young children are able to retain at least part of those memories, for awhile, early on. That's why healthy children are usually so naturally joyful. They only become depressed or mentally deranged, after their memories have been damaged or destroyed by traumas of the World.

"... truth can't be stopped." Lol, it can't be killed, either.

Powerful thoughts ... very well said.

I was fortunate to stumble into Castaneda when I was 19. I have not been the same since ... thankfully. I think Genaro told Carlos at some point that at some point on the Warrior's path nothing even looks the same anymore ...

I now know what he was talking about. And he was right about death being the only worthy advisor.

We'll never know for sure the true nature of Castaneda's interactions with Juan Mateus ... but does it matter? His writings have the power to unlock a lot of shackles ... and I think that was his intent ...

Exactly. There was a powerful intent hidden in those works. Powerful ideas. Using death as your wisest adviser being one of them.

I was introduced to Castaneda through two friends I met in college. I was about 23 at the time. I was on a quest, much like Carlitos, to find some mushrooms and trip out. Little did I know that they had much more in store for me than just drug induced altered states of consciousness.

If you want, I'll log on tomorrow and share with you my first experience with 'the unknown'. It was quite interesting.

But for now, I must go.