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Discuss the concept "Born Again"

 
William_the_Bloody
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I believe Jesus Christ meant something completely different when he said:

'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again.'

MOst Christians feel that this occurs with baptism and committing one's self to repentance.

I take a more literal approach. I believe Christ wants those who seek him to be literally reborn into the Kingdom of Heaven, which is to be on Earth in the Millenium.

Most Christians get baptized and then act as if they've been huffing Ether for days, so that they can feel transformed and "Pure" which wears off in a few weeks or so, and they're right back to the douchebaggery they were at before they got baptized.

This misunderstood doctrine of being born again is unfortunate. The way it is understood now teaches Christians they can do certain things themselves and obtain salvation.
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Well, I think first you need broken people.


Then you need to take advantage of their weaker position to indoctrinate them with promises of a better tomorrow.


Then you proceed in taking their money just like you do with the regular "born just once" dummies.


Oh and carry on indoctrinating them.
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bump Yes, Jesus called it "being born from above" didn't he ... don't know the referrence?
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Well, I think first you need broken people.


Then you need to take advantage of their weaker position to indoctrinate them with promises of a better tomorrow.


Then you proceed in taking their money just like you do with the regular "born just once" dummies.


Oh and carry on indoctrinating them.
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I think you got this thread confused with something else, as you seem to want to throw it off topic.
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Two belly buttons??
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Said by those who refuse to admit they fucked up in life.
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bump Yes, Jesus called it "being born from above" didn't he ... don't know the referrence?
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Yes, and to be born of the spirit.
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Said by those who refuse to admit they fucked up in life.
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Are you claiming there are people who haven't?
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Well, I think first you need broken people.


Then you need to take advantage of their weaker position to indoctrinate them with promises of a better tomorrow.


Then you proceed in taking their money just like you do with the regular "born just once" dummies.


Oh and carry on indoctrinating them.
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I think you got this thread confused with something else, as you seem to want to throw it off topic.
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Subject says "Discuss the concept of "Born Again" "


I'm discussing why they have born again Christians who were not necessarily religious before but espoused the dogma in a background state for lack of knowing anything else due to their potentially small worldview. small time felons, hookers, teens with babies, that kind of scum.
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That may be how "some" Christians think it is; however, it's not what Jesus meant. In simple terms you are born of water (woman breaks water when giving birth) and you have flesh and bone from your parents... You are one like unto ypur physical father. But when you believe Jesus is God manifest in human form and put your faith and trust on Him alone for your salvation you are then born again - spiritually by the Holy Ghost. Now your spiritual Father (God) has given you eternal life through your faith in Jesus. You are now a child of God born into his family.

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born again is seeing the resistence(opposite) force and not resisting that thought.
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Born again has various meanings for various groups and

different meanings throughout time for example if you back at the Reformers

They where trying to establish new churches that where different than the Roman Catholic Church, so they used the term "born again" as a way to start over on a new church but still never denied Catholicism itself.
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First Epistle of John 3:9

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.


Means not that christians never sin again, but that we won't continue as a way of life committing our patterns of sin like we did before.
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sin means to miss the mark .
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To be born again
means to have your old Christian belief system removed and then replaced with a new improved Christian belief.

The biggest problem with this born again procedure is that the born again person still ends up with someone else's borrowed truth ...and a new set of rules to go with it.

believing blindly sheepsheepsheepsheep

because that is what belief is...(ask no questions)


best go find your own truth
in your own experience.
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I believe Jesus Christ meant something completely different when he said:

'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again.'

MOst Christians feel that this occurs with baptism and committing one's self to repentance.

I take a more literal approach. I believe Christ wants those who seek him to be literally reborn into the Kingdom of Heaven, which is to be on Earth in the Millenium.

Most Christians get baptized and then act as if they've been huffing Ether for days, so that they can feel transformed and "Pure" which wears off in a few weeks or so, and they're right back to the douchebaggery they were at before they got baptized.

This misunderstood doctrine of being born again is unfortunate. The way it is understood now teaches Christians they can do certain things themselves and obtain salvation.
 Quoting: William_the_Bloody


Baptism, now that's a laugh. How the fuck does getting your head wet get you into the kingdom of God? IT DOESN'T!!

KJV Hebrews 6:1-2

1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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ego death and transcendence/resurrection- clearly.
let those who have ears.........
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born again is seeing the resistence(opposite) force and not resisting that thought.
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yoda
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ego death and transcendence/resurrection- clearly.
let those who have ears.........
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hf
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'Born Again' is the expression for when a sheeple becomes a complete retard.

In particular this refers to people who believe in the HUMAN theory that 'belief in Jesus Christ' is the ONLY trademarked and patented, path to God.

Does the christian faith uphold its own laws? NO!

Do christians follow their own commandments? NO!



Hence, 'born again' is the point at which brain-dead sheeple simply give up ALL freedom of thought, and buy into a 2000-year-old zombie worshiping pile of crap.


Christianity is a disgusting perversion of filth and lies upon the face of the Earth. Two thousand years of murder, torture, theft, and lies - which is still administered today by an international network of pedophiles who masquerade as church leaders in ALL denominations.
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Being born again is a process, the door is baptism, but it is not the destination or final moment of having your heart changed through works of righteousness and trying to follow the example of Jesus Christ.
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ego death and transcendence/resurrection- clearly.
let those who have ears.........
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... says yet another 'spiritual' egomaniac who think they are 'special' here at GLP.
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ego death and transcendence/resurrection- clearly.
let those who have ears.........
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... says yet another 'spiritual' egomaniac who think they are 'special' here at GLP.
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his words ring true.
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speaking purely from subjective
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a' course a big hit of acid and the bardo thodol helps the student to know
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You are born a new person, in belief and spirit with God. You shed the old person of sin and it is placed in your heart, the right ways, that God wants you to be. You aren't perfect, except through the grace of God, Thank you Jesus!
Grace is the only reason you can be saved, belief that he sent his son.

You sin, you ask for that sin to be forgiven, Then God doesn't see it.
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the "sin" is burned away by the clear light
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There's baptism of fire (burns away your sinful nature) which means being filled with the Holy Spirit. This is said to be a profound event in one's life... A truly religious experience. And there's the concept of having a personal relationship with Jesus, our Creator. In either case, if it makes you have a profound change in your life... Like giving up what some would call 'Sin' -from every 'testimony' I've heard of -this is a genuine change of heart. That's what it can mean to be born again. It's not that you have convictions for committing sins, you simply lose the desire to sin. Don't make the mistake of thinking there's some coercion going on, like 'fear of going to hell' and that's why religious people don't do the things they used to do before they had their 'experience'. Fear and Wisdom aren't the same thing.
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Jesus's real message,the body neither lives nor dies
To All, Death, what seems to be unfair is just your finite understanding of the infinite.The one known to you as Jesus told us to seek the truth and the truth will set you free,by seeking you earn salvation.Here are some truths I have found by my seeking.

Will which is the ability to choose to do a thing is the most important force in the Universe of Universes.When The First Source and center,The Father,The Thought and The Second Source and center,The Son,The Word have an individual collaboration and actualization of WILL,There Freewill,a co-creative creation comes into being.Will alone creates Spirit Sons, Paradise Creator Sons of the order of Michael,our Local Universe Son is Michael of Nebadon who Incarnated as Esu Immanuel known to most as Jesus

.In order allow us to use our soul/mind (HUE MAN =LIGHT MAN)being to overcome the adversary,which is our ego entity of material self-hood,and achieve a Spiritual birthing without the benefit of physical evidence.This being able to have the wholehearted faith and trust of "a little child"in your unseen Spiritual Father.Until AT ONE MENT of Will of the ascending HUE MAN the soul is a seed that needs to be planted in the soil of desire to know your Heavenly Father,when the individual's soul/mind overcomes ego of self and attains AT ONE MENT of WILL and becomes one with the indwelling Father Fragment that being realizes its IMMORTALITY.Esu Immanuel(JESUS) left nothing behind of Himself to allow us the privilege of becoming "AGONDONTERS"( ones who can attain without proof of seeing),to be an agondonter is a most cherished and wonderful achievement!Esu Immanul(JESUS)left nothing behind (no writings,no art,no relic of any kind)for another reason,He did not want there to be anything left to start a religion or cult around His Person rather than His teachings. Saul of Tarsus A.K.A. Paul a pharisee composed the new testament ( hijacking the early followers of Esu's teachings)and turned the movement right back into the blood cult of the HEBREW RABBIS using the MURDERED Esu Immanuel(JESUS)as the SACRIFICE!

I do however now have proof!I know by personal experience that paragraph 4 on page 1229 of "THE URANTIA BOOK" is the absolute, undeniable TRUTH and if that is TRUTH then the whole book is the TRUTH!

Here is what I experienced. On June 28,1984 while working in my small plant nursery pulling weeds,I was attacked by a swarm of very tiny mosquitoes. They were the size of gnats and did not cause itchy bites,so I kept working.Went to bed and woke up the next morning so sick I could not move I was immobilized.I did not leave my bed for seven days and nights,did not eat or drink or go to toilet.Fever so bad covers on one minute off the next for seven days.Then on July 5, 1984 a few minutes before midnight I mustered up enough strength to get to the bathroom and take my temperature.I saw myself in mirror for first time in a week.I looked like DEATH WARMED OVER!My temperature was 104.5,I looked in the mirror then I looked at the thermometer then back in the mirror and then realized I was close to death.I said to myself well I guess this is it I am heading into the UNKNOWN!I laughed at the face of death!I got back into bed and thought what if my next breath is my last.It was, I had this thought,this prayer if you will that It is my WILL that THY WILL be done MY FATHER(a positive affirmation of WILL)^This is the "AT ONE MENT OF WILL wholehearted faith and trust in the unseen,the trust of a little child. At this moment time stood still,I turned to my right and said to my wife Laurie I am dieing I love you good bye.I then turned to my left and saw my clock tick to midnight,at this moment of non-time I felt myself vacate my body,it started at the tips of my toes and whooshed up my body when it reached my heart and brain I departed through the top of my head. Now all matter has faded away and I find myself as a little tiny light all alone in the darkness until I saw coming up from my right and from what seemed to be BELOW another light and it approached me and came to my side. I looked up and I saw another light a much much more brilliant and powerful light being on the other side of the portal,I knew that was my CREATOR FATHER and as I tried to reach for His helping hand the other being of light put up this barrier between us it was everything I ever did that hurt someone my sins if you will.I looked and saw my CREATOR FATHER still reaching for me even with all the error and s.i.n.(stuck in negativity)I committed.I turned to the being who came up from below and said be gone I go with my Heavenly Father and with that the EVIL PRINCE OF DARKNESS departed back to the pit of DARKNESS he left screaming in defeat !

I then took part in a seven hour debate with my CREATOR over going directly to heaven with Him. He said what of your wife and children,I said they will be all right because they have You.He said what of your business and all your projects and art,I said they mean nothing now that I am in your presence.Then My CREATOR said because you were able to have the faith and trust of a little child and achieve AT ONE MENT OF WILL and give birth to your seed soul I want you to go back into the Firmament back to the density of matter and tell them ALL,so I had to relent.It was His plan that I come back and tell you all!I awoke with my head still looking at the clock as it turned to seven.

The Creator Son,Paradise Son The MICHAEL OF NEBADON and His bestowal personification in incarnation ESU IMMANUEL are REAL and always here for all who so choose of your own FREEWILL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fear is the opposite of Faith HAVE NO FEAR LEARN THE TRUTH BY SEEKING AND HELP YOUR FELLOWS BY PASSING IT ON FREELY [link to www.urantia.org] THE BODY NEITHER LIVES NOR DIES THE SOUL/MIND HUE MAN LIGHT MAN LIVES AND IS IMMORTAL,THE LIGHT BODY OF THE DENSITY SIMULATES LIFE!!! the white rose
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The beauty of the Bible consists in the number of different possible interpretations which can be obtained when reading. Unfortunately, this diversity is what caused and still causes several wars between humanity.

When Jesus speaks of kingdom of God I understand that He was referring to the spiritual plane . After physical body's death, the spirit returns to home, where he finds the eternal friendships and prepares a new incarnation to continue the process of evolution.

Born again means physical death and return to the kingdom of God until we receive a new opportunity to experience life material. Of course, this kind of experience happens perfectly according with the law of cause and effect. God's law is immutable. hf

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