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How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?

 
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Here's a list of some Venus threads I made back in 2009 showing why people are fed up with Venustards saying the same things over and over and over again.
Year after year after year...


Where did all the 'that's not Venus' tards go?? (((Venus evening seeing end ~ 03/24/09)))
03/19/09 Thread: Where did all the 'that's not Venus' tards go??

bright light in the west (((Venus evening)))
03/15/09 Thread: bright light in the west

What the hell is this bright ass star in the sky!!!!! (((Venus evening)))
03/05/09 Thread: What the hell is this bright ass star in the sky!!!!!

multicolored star like objects in the western sky (((Venus evening)))
03/01/09 Thread: multicolored star like objects in the western sky

The MYSTERIOUS OBJECT & the MOON * This is what it is ! ((((Venus evening)))
02/23/09 Thread: The MYSTERIOUS OBJECT & the MOON * This is what it is !

new star in sky (((Venus evening)))
02/16/09 Thread: new star in sky

for all who think the bright object is VENUS, one simple question. (((Venus evening)))
02/12/09 Thread: for all who think the bright object is VENUS, one simple question.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW? IS THAT JUPITER OR VENUS? IT MUST BE JUPITER CAUSE IT IS SO BIG AND BRIGHT... OMG (((Venus evening)))
02/11/09 Thread: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW? IS THAT JUPITER OR VENUS? IT MUST BE JUPITER CAUSE IT IS SO BIG AND BRIGHT... OMG

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW? IS THAT JUPITER OR VENUS? IT MUST BE JUPITER CAUSE IT IS SO BIG AND BRIGHT... OMG (((Venus evening)))
02/11/09 Thread: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW? IS THAT JUPITER OR VENUS? IT MUST BE JUPITER CAUSE IT IS SO BIG AND BRIGHT... OMG

IS THAT BIG STAR-PLANET LIKE THING IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW JUPITER?? (((Venus evening)))
02/11/09 Thread: IS THAT BIG STAR-PLANET LIKE THING IN THE SKY RIGHT NOW JUPITER??

STRANGE VERY BRIGHT STAR LIKE THING (((Venus evening)))
02/04/09 Thread: STRANGE VERY BRIGHT STAR LIKE THING

WHT THE HELL IS THAT BRIGHT BLINKING OBJECT IN THE SKY? (((Venus evening)))
02/04/09 Thread: WHT THE HELL IS THAT BRIGHT BLINKING OBJECT IN THE SKY?

bright star or planet (((Venus evening)))
02/03/09 Thread: bright star or planet

Bright Star (((Venus evening)))
01/31/09 Thread: Bright Star

VENUS OR NOT?? WHAT IS THIS STAR OR PLANET?? (((Venus evening)))
01/31/09 Thread: VENUS OR NOT?? WHAT IS THIS STAR OR PLANET??

What is that bright ass star in the sky? (((Venus evening)))
01/30/09 Thread: What is that bright ass star in the sky?

update Venus through telescope (((Venus evening)))
01/30/09 Thread: update Venus through telescope

bright star thing (((Venus evening)))
01/29/09 Thread: bright star thing

FOR ALL THE IDIOTS WHO THINK THIS THING IS VENUS (((Venus evening)))
01/28/09 Thread: FOR ALL THE IDIOTS WHO THINK THIS THING IS VENUS

Proof bright object in SW sky is not Venus (((Venus evening)))
01/28/09 Thread: Proof bright object in SW sky is not Venus

that thing in the sky can't be venus (((Venus evening)))
01/18/09 Thread: that thing in the sky can't be venus

Realy bright star,could be ufo over Alabama in SW skys! (((Venus evening)))
01/16/09 Thread: Realy bright star,could be ufo over Alabama in SW skys!

STRANGE VERY BRIGHT STAR LIKE THING (((Venus evening-Sirius)))
01/07/09 Thread: STRANGE VERY BRIGHT STAR LIKE THING.

What Is the Bright Star In the West SouthWest? (((Venus evening)))
12/28/08 Thread: What Is the Bright Star In the West SouthWest?

The Evening Star (((Venus evening)))
12/25/08 Thread: The Evening Star

what the hell is in the SKY RIGHT NOW?? southern new england, is that a STAR??? (((Venus evening)))
12/25/08 Thread: what the hell is in the SKY RIGHT NOW?? southern new england, is that a STAR???

Whats that real bright star thing in the sky? (((Venus evening)))
12/17/08 Thread: Whats that real bright star thing in the sky?

2 Bright Stars Below and to the right of the moon (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
12/02/08 Thread: 2 Bright Stars Below and to the right of the moon

6:30 PM EST-WHAT ARE THOSE 2 BRIGHT LIGHTS S W of the MOON--SPACE STATION? (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
12/01/08 Thread: 6:30 PM EST-WHAT ARE THOSE 2 BRIGHT LIGHTS S W of the MOON--SPACE STATION?

Bright Objects (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
11/29/08 Thread: Bright Objects

What's those two bright objects in the SW sky? (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
11/28/08 Thread: What's those two bright objects in the SW sky?

TWO BRIGHT STARS SOUTHWEST! ARE THEY SPACE STATIONS? (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
11/27/08 Thread: TWO BRIGHT STARS SOUTHWEST! ARE THEY SPACE STATIONS?

strange star formation in sw sky... (((Venus evening - Jupiter)))
11/23/08 Thread: strange star formation in sw sky...

What is that extremely bright "star or planet" in the southwestern sky? (((Venus evening)))
11/16/08 Thread: What is that extremely bright "star or planet" in the southwestern sky ?


the white star (((Venus-morning)))
12/15/07 Thread: the white star

There's a star in the sky (((Venus-morning)))
12/07/07 Thread: There's a star in the sky

morning star (((Venus morning)))
11/06/07 Thread: morning star

Really bright star (((Venus morning)))
10/07/07 Thread: Really bright star

HUGE BRIGHT STAR IN THE EASTERN SKY! (((Venus morning)))
09/22/07 Thread: HUGE BRIGHT STAR IN THE EASTERN SKY!

** Photos Of Eastern, Bright Morning Star ** FINALLY (((Venus morning)))
09/20/07 Thread: ** Photos Of Eastern, Bright Morning Star ** FINALLY

Wicked bright star in eastern sky @ 5:31am EST.. (((Venus morning)))
09/19/07 Thread: Wicked bright star in eastern sky @ 5:31am EST..



Bright spot in sky- just not sure what it is-don't have a star chart (((Venus evening)))
06/11/07 Thread: Bright spot in sky- just not sure what it is-don't have a star chart

Has anybody figured out what the bright ass star at night is??? (((Venus evening)))
05/23/07 Thread: Has anybody figured out what the bright ass star at night is???

Bright star last night ... (((Venus evening)))
05/12/07 Thread: Bright star last night ...

That Bright Star next to the beautiful moon (((Venus evening)))
04/19/07 Thread: That Bright Star next to the beautiful moon

planet or star (((Venus evening)))
04/19/07 Thread: planet or star

biggest ' star ' I've ever seen in the western horizon of Houston (((Venus evening)))
04/15/07 Thread: biggest ' star ' I've ever seen in the western horizon of Houston

The Big star in the east (((Venus evening)))
04/13/07 Thread: The Big star in the east

WHAT IS THAT HUGE STAR DUE SOUTH-WEST? (((Venus evening - Sirius)))
04/09/07 Thread: WHAT IS THAT HUGE STAR DUE SOUTH-WEST?

Notice Big Star in southwestern sky!.Nibiru? (((Venus evening)))
03/22/07 Thread: Notice Big Star in southwestern sky!.Nibiru?



What is so bright in West sky right now look at it with scope and it looks like small cresent moon (((Venus evening)))
12/25/05 Thread: What is so bright in West sky right now look at it with scope and it looks like small cresent moon

that damn star in souther sky is freakin huge and gettin bigger (((Venus evening)))
12/13/05 Thread: that damn star in souther sky is freakin huge and gettin bigger

I´m Sorry That Aint No Venus! (((Venus evening)))
11/29/05 Thread: I´m Sorry That Aint No Venus!

bright light in south sky, what is it (((Venus evening)))
11/03/05 Thread: bright light in south sky, what is it

Strange "star" in the sky, Australia (((Venus evening)))
10/31/05 Thread: Strange "star" in the sky, Australia

WHAT IS THAT BRIGHT STAR IN THE S.W. SKY? (((Venus evening)))
10/16/05 Thread: WHAT IS THAT BRIGHT STAR IN THE S.W. SKY?

Did anyone figure out what the bright thing in WSW is? (((Venus evening)))
10/09/05 Thread: Did anyone figure out what the bright thing in WSW is?



And -- This isn't a complete listing. It's not even close to complete.
kOOks are boring, repetitive little OCD devils, aren't they?


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Because thats when people started to notice that it was getting brighter, although some first noticied it brighter than usual starting in 2007, than by 2008 it was getting some more notice because it was even brighter, then 2009 even brighter, 2010, even brighter, 2011 even brighter, 2012 ect ect...Ive loved to look at Venus since I was a child.many a year ago, and it never was as bright..but of course all of us are delusional as Astro thinks..so, it doesnt matter what we say does it?verysad
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Because thats when people started to notice that it was getting brighter, although some first noticied it brighter than usual starting in 2007, than by 2008 it was getting some more notice because it was even brighter, then 2009 even brighter, 2010, even brighter, 2011 even brighter, 2012 ect ect...Ive loved to look at Venus since I was a child.many a year ago, and it never was as bright..but of course all of us are delusional as Astro thinks..so, it doesnt matter what we say does it?verysad
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I didn't say that, but it doesn't matter what you say, only the true reality of the situation matters. That is why I will perform quantitative measurement of Venus' brightness and compare it to what it should be according to data that's most likely older than you, and way older than the point in time that you claim it started getting brighter. Photometric measurement > anecdotal claims

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Not being 100 year old, I don't know what it looked like back then for reference, but at 43 it Looks like it always has to me.

The sun does look different to me now than when I was younger fwiw.
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A century old encyclopedia I have says they used to use different levels of tinted glass to judge magnitude.
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Im guessing its to do with Niburu approaching from behind the sun making venus brighter, pretty obvious really when you think about it.

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There is no venus. There are no planets. Just because the jewish masons say something you don't have to believe them you know. You could grow a pair and tell them off.
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A century old encyclopedia I have says they used to use different levels of tinted glass to judge magnitude.
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See that's the thing. Our technologies to measure all kinds of things have changed so much in a century. There are a lot of advances that are certainly more accurate or have a finer degree of measurement, but how do they relate to pre-computer, pre-electric tech that was either less specific or was measured completely differntly?
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A century old encyclopedia I have says they used to use different levels of tinted glass to judge magnitude.
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See that's the thing. Our technologies to measure all kinds of things have changed so much in a century. There are a lot of advances that are certainly more accurate or have a finer degree of measurement, but how do they relate to pre-computer, pre-electric tech that was either less specific or was measured completely differntly?
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That's what the magnitude scale is for. It doesn't matter what was used before, as long as it was done right and calibrated to that scale (which it was in this case). Danjon invented his own photometers for use in making such measurements, it goes way beyond tinted glass. His data produced a formula for the magnitude of Venus; it doesn't matter how you perform your measurements whether it be visually, photoelectrically, or with CCD photometry (the latter will be my method). Proper quantitative measurement is directly comparable to Danjon's data because it's all done on the same scale.
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Astro, sorry to go off topic, but when you have 5 minutes can you tell me what you make of this.

Thread: who knows how to sharpen a picture up because i found this in orion

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Astro, sorry to go off topic, but when you have 5 minutes can you tell me what you make of this.

Thread: who knows how to sharpen a picture up because i found this in orion

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It's another case of "google sky et al are not primary sources of any sky survey data." Sky-map.org is another example. You're looking at old film plates that have been scanned and stitched together into a mosaic. Some of those film plates have defects. In this case I see the classic sign of a plane trail as well as normal film plate garbage which is being mistaken for an anomaly in space. There were other plates taken of those same coordinates that do not show those defects, but they were not used to make the mosaic. Instead, Sky-map in their infinite wisdom used this plate, which has bits of black crud all over it, not just at the coordinates you see in their mosaic (indeed the full plate goes well beyond the section they used). It's just crud on the film plate, not real objects in space. Here's a 1 square degree sub-section of the plate used for those coordinates (plate XP840 (A0O7) to be exact, a red film plate):
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
And here's an alternative plate shot around the same time, also a red film plate, that does not have that crap in it:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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Astro, sorry to go off topic, but when you have 5 minutes can you tell me what you make of this.

Thread: who knows how to sharpen a picture up because i found this in orion

Thanks in advance
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It's another case of "google sky et al are not primary sources of any sky survey data." Sky-map.org is another example. You're looking at old film plates that have been scanned and stitched together into a mosaic. Some of those film plates have defects. In this case I see the classic sign of a plane trail as well as normal film plate garbage which is being mistaken for an anomaly in space. There were other plates taken of those same coordinates that do not show those defects, but they were not used to make the mosaic. Instead, Sky-map in their infinite wisdom used this plate, which has bits of black crud all over it, not just at the coordinates you see in their mosaic (indeed the full plate goes well beyond the section they used). It's just crud on the film plate, not real objects in space. Here's a 1 square degree sub-section of the plate used for those coordinates (plate XP840 (A0O7) to be exact, a red film plate):
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
And here's an alternative plate shot around the same time, also a red film plate, that does not have that crap in it:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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Nice one, thanks
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Slightly off topic...sorry OP

The planets, unlike the stars, do not emit light, they reflect it from the Sun. The luminosity of the planets is a function of relative positions, size and distance to the source, as well as the intensity of the source.

The Sun, being the largest mass in this region of the Local Arm is being affected by magnetic and gravitational anomalies as we align with the galactic plane. Additionally, recent findings by the Interstellar boundary explorer (IBEX), indicates a region of high intensity ¨fluff¨ entering the heliosphere.

Emission from the Sun will become amplified in all ranges of the spectrum with a massive increase in the projections of neutrinos. These quantum particles are of particular interest as they incur mass during transmission by way of flavor transition (electron, mu, tau).

All attention will soon be focused on the Sun as it will not be possible to ignore the intense and massive eruptions of broad spectrum energies. For those of us willing to align our intent toward ´enLIGHTenment´, incomprehensible coherence is assured.

Consider a LASER, (Light Amplified Stimulated Emission of Radiation) , producing a light beam of intensified coherent energy. There needs to be an injection of energy (fluff) to cause electrons to jump up to higher energy shells. Then when they collapse, they emit photons (neutrinos) which in turn trigger other electrons to elevate energy (DNA). It would be timely to consider that this event is why we signed onto this assignment in the first intstance and will not occur again for many millions of years.

Earth energies are in total chaos and like fractal geometry, will eventually revert to order (m=1). That process has already begun and soon each and every individual will choose their destiny.
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As Stated above he has used Centuries Old Data for a Brand New Take on Things. The Captain will be going down with this sinking ship. Everybody read this Article. THE DARK RIFT. Astronomy Magazine. 2010. Should be Mandatory reading for the Whole Planets Inhabitants. This Article Alone Will Really Wake You Up.
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WHICH month's edition of Astronomy magazine is it in?
I have them all, don't remember the article, but will re-read (if it is there)
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The Sun, being the largest mass in this region of the Local Arm is being affected by magnetic and gravitational anomalies as we align with the galactic plane.
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We "align" with the galactic plane twice every year.
It would be timely to consider that this event is why we signed onto this assignment in the first intstance and will not occur again for many millions of years.
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There's nothing THAT unique about alignments or astronomical events occurring this year.
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Venus looks more or less the same to me, as it has done since my grandfather used to teach me the constellations when I was about 6 or 7
I'm now almost 49

Over the years, I've got fairly good at estimating magnitudes.
As long as I can remember, Venus used to get into the mid minus-fours..
All my text-books state that Venus peaks somewhere in the mid-to-high minus-fours....
And when I saw it this morning, a few weeks past it's peak brightness, it looked somewhere in the low to mid minus-fours..
A quick check, and Starry Night Pro confirms -4.2

It's currently no brighter than 'usual'
In fact, it's currently a tad dimmer than it was a few weeks ago.
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Slightly off topic...sorry OP

The planets, unlike the stars, do not emit light, they reflect it from the Sun. The luminosity of the planets is a function of relative positions, size and distance to the source, as well as the intensity of the source.

The Sun, being the largest mass in this region of the Local Arm is being affected by magnetic and gravitational anomalies as we align with the galactic plane. Additionally, recent findings by the Interstellar boundary explorer (IBEX), indicates a region of high intensity ¨fluff¨ entering the heliosphere.

Emission from the Sun will become amplified in all ranges of the spectrum with a massive increase in the projections of neutrinos. These quantum particles are of particular interest as they incur mass during transmission by way of flavor transition (electron, mu, tau).

All attention will soon be focused on the Sun as it will not be possible to ignore the intense and massive eruptions of broad spectrum energies. For those of us willing to align our intent toward ´enLIGHTenment´, incomprehensible coherence is assured.

Consider a LASER, (Light Amplified Stimulated Emission of Radiation) , producing a light beam of intensified coherent energy. There needs to be an injection of energy (fluff) to cause electrons to jump up to higher energy shells. Then when they collapse, they emit photons (neutrinos) which in turn trigger other electrons to elevate energy (DNA). It would be timely to consider that this event is why we signed onto this assignment in the first intstance and will not occur again for many millions of years.

Earth energies are in total chaos and like fractal geometry, will eventually revert to order (m=1). That process has already begun and soon each and every individual will choose their destiny.
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great wisdom - thank you. and like most, I have noticed this star/planet in the southeast sky @ 4am shining big and more brightly than anything in my lifetime. undeniable. I live @ 4,000 feet elevation, so I have a spectacular view of the stars. awesome.

ps. one of my favorite quotes is ps 119 the verse that says:
"the entrance of your Word brings light."
meditate on this hf
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The Sun, being the largest mass in this region of the Local Arm
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Sorry, but the Sun isn't the largest mass in our neighbourhood.

There are at least two stars (just off the top of my head) withn 12 light years that are more massive than our Sun
Sirius is about twice the mass of the Sun, and is only 8 light years away.
Procyon, 1.4 solar masses - 11½ lt yrs away
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Off Topic (apologies)
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Slightly off topic...sorry OP

The planets, unlike the stars, do not emit light, they reflect it from the Sun. The luminosity of the planets is a function of relative positions, size and distance to the source, as well as the intensity of the source.

The Sun, being the largest mass in this region of the Local Arm is being affected by magnetic and gravitational anomalies as we align with the galactic plane. Additionally, recent findings by the Interstellar boundary explorer (IBEX), indicates a region of high intensity ¨fluff¨ entering the heliosphere.

Emission from the Sun will become amplified in all ranges of the spectrum with a massive increase in the projections of neutrinos. These quantum particles are of particular interest as they incur mass during transmission by way of flavor transition (electron, mu, tau).

All attention will soon be focused on the Sun as it will not be possible to ignore the intense and massive eruptions of broad spectrum energies. For those of us willing to align our intent toward ´enLIGHTenment´, incomprehensible coherence is assured.

Consider a LASER, (Light Amplified Stimulated Emission of Radiation) , producing a light beam of intensified coherent energy. There needs to be an injection of energy (fluff) to cause electrons to jump up to higher energy shells. Then when they collapse, they emit photons (neutrinos) which in turn trigger other electrons to elevate energy (DNA). It would be timely to consider that this event is why we signed onto this assignment in the first intstance and will not occur again for many millions of years.

Earth energies are in total chaos and like fractal geometry, will eventually revert to order (m=1). That process has already begun and soon each and every individual will choose their destiny.
 Quoting: fortytwo

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Remember the Floppy Disc thing? One Sun...



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I would think that atmospheric conditions on Earth would also need to be accounted for as the Earth does go through cycles of higher/lower humidity levels within the atmosphere. Of course this would have some effect on any visible planets luminosity value.


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It is accounted for when doing photometry. You measure the background stars around it. Since they have known magnitudes, you can calibrate your readings regardless of atmospheric transparency.
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So that will account for the perception of the human eye which naturally gravitates to the brightest object?Most people may not notice a change in the upper atmosphere but they may notice a change in luminosity because of the atmosphere.Most people just look up and say gee Venus looks a little brighter tonite without regard to coal fired electric plants,forest fires or volcano's half a world away. Not really a big deal either way.
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I would think that atmospheric conditions on Earth would also need to be accounted for as the Earth does go through cycles of higher/lower humidity levels within the atmosphere. Of course this would have some effect on any visible planets luminosity value.


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It is accounted for when doing photometry. You measure the background stars around it. Since they have known magnitudes, you can calibrate your readings regardless of atmospheric transparency.
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So that will account for the perception of the human eye which naturally gravitates to the brightest object?Most people may not notice a change in the upper atmosphere but they may notice a change in luminosity because of the atmosphere.Most people just look up and say gee Venus looks a little brighter tonite without regard to coal fired electric plants,forest fires or volcano's half a world away. Not really a big deal either way.
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The photometry in this case will be done with a CCD, eliminating any and all perception bias.
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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
Remember the Floppy Disc thing? One Sun...



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Nicely done!

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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
It is accounted for when doing photometry. You measure the background stars around it. Since they have known magnitudes, you can calibrate your readings regardless of atmospheric transparency.
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So that will account for the perception of the human eye which naturally gravitates to the brightest object?Most people may not notice a change in the upper atmosphere but they may notice a change in luminosity because of the atmosphere.Most people just look up and say gee Venus looks a little brighter tonite without regard to coal fired electric plants,forest fires or volcano's half a world away. Not really a big deal either way.
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It doesn't try to account for an individual's eyesight. How could it account for a blind man's inability to see?

That is the whole point of instrumentation - remove the observer's subjective biases and frailties to measure objective reality.
With instrumentation it is possible for a blind man to measure the visual magnitude of venus.


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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
It is accounted for when doing photometry. You measure the background stars around it. Since they have known magnitudes, you can calibrate your readings regardless of atmospheric transparency.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So that will account for the perception of the human eye which naturally gravitates to the brightest object?Most people may not notice a change in the upper atmosphere but they may notice a change in luminosity because of the atmosphere.Most people just look up and say gee Venus looks a little brighter tonite without regard to coal fired electric plants,forest fires or volcano's half a world away. Not really a big deal either way.
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It doesn't try to account for an individual's eyesight. How could it account for a blind man's inability to see?

That is the whole point of instrumentation -
With instrumentation it is possible for a blind man to measure the visual magnitude of venus.


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See that word BELIEVE in the poll question? The word believe and remove the observer's subjective biases and frailties to measure objective reality do not work together.The whole post as worded is an exercise in futility for all sides.
It's like 2 people pushing on opposite sides of an immoveable object.
I may just kill You for fun.
Or it may be just business.
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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
Astro,

Unless you are offering explanations, STOP.

Please don't try to convince us that all is well with Venus, it is not - and you know it.


Denying a brown dwarf moving through is one thing, and I believe you.

But to deny the increased luminosity? Come on bro?

Planes have crashed or taken evasive actions reacting to it's increased brightness.

Pilots everywhere ( I play in a band with a flight instructor for years and he agrees) are talking about Venus's brightness.

We want to hear your explanation as to why, not that everything is as it's always been, move along.


Step up Astro, time for you to put that big brain to use and be part of the solution.

We don't need another shill response of "nothing to see, you are all tripping" thread.

Don't waste your time dude.

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 Quoting: dr 21083803

Dude, I haven't made the formal measurements I'm going to present yet, I'm just trying to see what the general belief is here. Informally I can say that it appears to have its normal magnitude, but I will definitively measure it and compare it to its predicted magnitude as determined using some very old data.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Sorry to have sounded "bitchy" Astro, rough morning with my dog.

Am glad to hear you are looking into this, though I suspect you already know why : it's the Sun that is making it seem brighter.

But what is effecting the Sun?

Looking forward to your input.
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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
Venus the Morning and Evening Star. Bright as Hell. Is this really Venus or is this a cleaver way of steering the ship someplace else. I think the Ships Being Sunk Again. As per usual. I Don't think this is Venus. Never Have.
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Someone said last week that it is currently in Gemini...Castor and Pollux...

After Paul's shipwreck in the Bible, he set sail on a ship with those two as figureheads on the ship....
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Re: How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal?
Well I don't give a shit what anyone says,(scientests, nibirutards, whackos or whatever) Venus was one bright ass fucking spectacle the first half of this tear. I have been an ardent sky observer for 50 yrs and I never seen Venus as bright as it had been. Im sure there is a logiacal explanation (maybe not) but whatever the case it sure put on a memorable show.

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