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Does it look new? That's a tell tale sign. Now the electric company is bombarding us with some sort of be a part of helping them BS in lowering our bills by opting to have our usage completely analysed and enjoy brown outs to lower our bills. They won't leave us alone. Our smart meter will know what we run, when we run it. It will know when we are home and do laundry, get on the internet, run a fan, etc. EMF feels like having baby oil on your skin at all times and having bugs crawling on it, besides the other symptoms.
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OMG, I didn't even realize they changed mine! I had gone out of town for an extended time, and when I came home I wondered why the hell rain was seeping down into the basement breaker box all of a sudden. It created a major outage, burning up my main and all the rest of my circuit breakers as well.

You'd think they'd have enough sense to seal it from the rain so it wouldn't burn down the house!

Those main breakers are expensive, and for my type, hard as hell to find.

Everyone make sure they at least seal the main hot wire coming in from the outside, or you could lose your home and much worse. I was just fortunate, I guess.

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I read that 16 meters in Chicago had small fires. That sucks, I am glad your ok.
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yegads OP, my hair has been falling out so freaking bad, I wondered what the heck was going on. I will pay more attention to this thing and see what changes I can make. Thank you for the thread. You've given me some helpful info.
Best of luck to you!

hf
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Does it look new? That's a tell tale sign. Now the electric company is bombarding us with some sort of be a part of helping them BS in lowering our bills by opting to have our usage completely analysed and enjoy brown outs to lower our bills. They won't leave us alone. Our smart meter will know what we run, when we run it. It will know when we are home and do laundry, get on the internet, run a fan, etc. EMF feels like having baby oil on your skin at all times and having bugs crawling on it, besides the other symptoms.
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OMG, I didn't even realize they changed mine! I had gone out of town for an extended time, and when I came home I wondered why the hell rain was seeping down into the basement breaker box all of a sudden. It created a major outage, burning up my main and all the rest of my circuit breakers as well.

You'd think they'd have enough sense to seal it from the rain so it wouldn't burn down the house!

Those main breakers are expensive, and for my type, hard as hell to find.

Everyone make sure they at least seal the main hot wire coming in from the outside, or you could lose your home and much worse. I was just fortunate, I guess.

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I read that 16 meters in Chicago had small fires. That sucks, I am glad your ok.
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yegads OP, my hair has been falling out so freaking bad, I wondered what the heck was going on. I will pay more attention to this thing and see what changes I can make. Thank you for the thread. You've given me some helpful info.
Best of luck to you!

hf
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Hi, I just need to say that hair falls out for many reasons. I tried to track what it was when mine got thin after being so thick I had to thin it. Look at everything, age, vitamin deficiency, medications you may be taking, chemicals you may be putting in your hair to dye it or perm it.

I never figured it out but it is getting better.
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I'm taking care of my elderly mom for awhile and a smart meter was installed directly on the other side of the wall from the head of my bed.

Headaches, insomnia, nightmares, skin rashes, dizziness, ringing in ears, cramps, chest pains, loss of memory, pain in the eyes, racing heart, difficulty swallowing, burning sensations on the head and chest, irregular heart beats, sinus pain, disorientation, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, exhaustion, stomach issues, ear aches, miscarriages, irritability, fatigue, joint pain, back pains, electric like shocks, nervousness, stomach rolling, palpitations, eczema, urinary bladder reflex, watery eyes, agitation, anxiety, vomiting, intense thirst, teeth pressure & buzzing, menstrual irregularity, weak, vertigo, pulsations in the ears, emotional distress, high blood pressure, feeling like your going to have a heart attack, tingling sensation, exhausted, flu like symptoms, loss of appetite, loss of weight, intermittent confusion, cardiovascular effects, tightness in chest, heaviness, trembling. hot flashes, impaired cognitive functioning, hyper-arousal.

These are all the symptoms I NEVER had before, except tinnitus, but nowhere near as bad as the last few months. Reading is a passion of mine and I can't lay in bed and read anymore without going over the same paragraph to the point I give up. I can't even stay concentrated on a TV show (which isn't such a bad thing, I guess).

My head is probably about 3 feet from the meter on the other side of the wall when I sleep. And this is one of those "planned" communities where you get a fine for so little as having a tomato plant in a bucket in your backyard. So there's NO fighting about anything without "the association" coming down on your ass. The second she gets better, or *whatever*, I'm gone from this desert nightmare. (Maricopa county, AZ.) NOT a healthy place to live if you're not used to it.
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OMG, if you're able, maybe try to get both of you away from this asap. My parents were both elderly, but very well and had never been sick until 2.5 years ago. I know they had a new meter installed about that time. That's why I was away from my home, taking care of them, but I got so ill while there, I had to hire someone to take care of all of us! They are both gone now. Probably has no relation, but it certainly gives me pause. DAMN! Good Luck Capt.

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OMG, I didn't even realize they changed mine! I had gone out of town for an extended time, and when I came home I wondered why the hell rain was seeping down into the basement breaker box all of a sudden. It created a major outage, burning up my main and all the rest of my circuit breakers as well.

You'd think they'd have enough sense to seal it from the rain so it wouldn't burn down the house!

Those main breakers are expensive, and for my type, hard as hell to find.

Everyone make sure they at least seal the main hot wire coming in from the outside, or you could lose your home and much worse. I was just fortunate, I guess.

.
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I read that 16 meters in Chicago had small fires. That sucks, I am glad your ok.
 Quoting: WindyMind


yegads OP, my hair has been falling out so freaking bad, I wondered what the heck was going on. I will pay more attention to this thing and see what changes I can make. Thank you for the thread. You've given me some helpful info.
Best of luck to you!

hf
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Hi, I just need to say that hair falls out for many reasons. I tried to track what it was when mine got thin after being so thick I had to thin it. Look at everything, age, vitamin deficiency, medications you may be taking, chemicals you may be putting in your hair to dye it or perm it.

I never figured it out but it is getting better.
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Well, maybe there's hope mine will stop. It's just an accumulation of a lot of weirdness over the last few years that I've been trying to figure out. Thanks!
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Federal law states only that you can have a "smart" meter, or what the Federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 called a "time-based" meter, if you want one. Here's a link to the law, and the guideline is on page 374. [link to www.gpo.gov]

Here is a link to a story with an interview with one of the authors of the law, Representative Dennis Bonnen. He says that they are not supposed to be forced on people: [link to www.thenewamerican.com]

Go to this link to find out how to avoid having a "smart" meter. Build a cage around yours, if you can, making sure that the meter reader can clearly see the numbers/dials: [link to stopsmartmeters.org]
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Well, with the smart meter on my house, the power company CAN'T TELL when we are home and when we are not home because my wife and kids leave every freaking TV and light on when they leave.
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'Smart' Meters & Corporate Thuggery
[link to rense.com]


In July 2011, I was notified by ONCOR, the TDSP (Transmission Distribution Service Provider) for Reliant Energy, who I pay for providing me energy service, that if I refused to have a 'smart' meter installed on my home, they would turn off my power without notice. As my husband is disabled, state law prohibits pulling the switch on us. I avoided two months of efforts by ONCOR to install one of those dangerous meters on my home because I have 6' high wood fences with gates on the inside. When ONCOR was given proof of John's serious medical problems, they stopped harassing me. I still have my analog meter.

Why didn't I want one of those jazzy new pieces of technology that are so wonderful for everyone? Once I began to do research, I was horrified by what I found. Utility companies and TDSPs nationwide continue to insist those meters are safe. Utility companies and TDSPs nationwide have billions of dollars at stake here. Below are but a drop in the bucket for the more than 2,000 peer reviewed papers and writings by the best experts in the field worldwide.

On January 19, 2012, The American Academy of Environmental Medicine, a group of esteemed doctors put out a press release:

“The Board of the AAEM opposes the installation of smart meters in homes and schools based on scientific assessment of the current medical literature. The current medical literature raises credible questions about genetic and cellular effects, hormonal effects, male fertility, blood/brain barrier damage and increased risk of certain types of cancers from RF or ELF levels similar to those emitted from smart meters. The Board of AAEM finds it unacceptable from a public health standpoint to implement this technology until these serious medical concerns are resolved. We consider a moratorium on installation of wireless smart meters to be an issue of the highest importance.”




My Statement To The Texas PUC
By Devvy Kidd
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As regular readers know, I have been fighting the 'smart' meter war out here in Texas. Not only against the powerful utility companies and TDSPs (those corporations install and maintain equipment for the big power companies), but also the Texas Public Utility Commission. The past 14 months has been a nightmare.

Our group of petitioners (191) have done two separate petitions to the TPUC. You have to go the administrative remedy route before you can file a lawsuit. The first petition was denied over language deficiency. The second one was not. It was denied because the PUC has a different petition for an opt out. What they decided was to ignore our concernsabout known health risks in our petition in favor of playing in their sand box. Abuse of discretion.

Every time I have to go to Austin (four trips now), it's a six hour drive each way so that means hotel, gas and food expenses. None of which I should have to spend if the TPUC had done their job years ago. The Texas Public Utility Commissioners are all political appointees by Gov. Ricky Perry. Their salary is paid for by our tax dollars. They are supposed to work for us, yet they have allowed the TDSPs to run amok in this state for years.

On July 13, 2012, after the three commissioners denied our second petition, we were herded down the hall. I did stand up and ask the commissioners if I could make a statement. Nope. Shut up and follow one of their staff down the hall.

At the end of about three hours of angry people venting and PUC staff and lawyers taking flak, we were told the Gods from Olympus would "allow" us to have a workshop on August 21st.

There we could bring witnesses! Put on a full show!

I walked out knowing it was a trap and told our petitioners it would be nothing more than another chew the fat session while they stall for time. The PUC allegedly has been working on an opt out for quite a long time. It was my decision as lead petitioner that we would not be putting on a full presentation with our expert witnesses (one we have to fly out from British Columbia) because their workshop has no legal teeth.
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I'm taking care of my elderly mom for awhile and a smart meter was installed directly on the other side of the wall from the head of my bed.

Headaches, insomnia, nightmares, skin rashes, dizziness, ringing in ears, cramps, chest pains, loss of memory, pain in the eyes, racing heart, difficulty swallowing, burning sensations on the head and chest, irregular heart beats, sinus pain, disorientation, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, exhaustion, stomach issues, ear aches, miscarriages, irritability, fatigue, joint pain, back pains, electric like shocks, nervousness, stomach rolling, palpitations, eczema, urinary bladder reflex, watery eyes, agitation, anxiety, vomiting, intense thirst, teeth pressure & buzzing, menstrual irregularity, weak, vertigo, pulsations in the ears, emotional distress, high blood pressure, feeling like your going to have a heart attack, tingling sensation, exhausted, flu like symptoms, loss of appetite, loss of weight, intermittent confusion, cardiovascular effects, tightness in chest, heaviness, trembling. hot flashes, impaired cognitive functioning, hyper-arousal.

These are all the symptoms I NEVER had before, except tinnitus, but nowhere near as bad as the last few months. Reading is a passion of mine and I can't lay in bed and read anymore without going over the same paragraph to the point I give up. I can't even stay concentrated on a TV show (which isn't such a bad thing, I guess).

My head is probably about 3 feet from the meter on the other side of the wall when I sleep. And this is one of those "planned" communities where you get a fine for so little as having a tomato plant in a bucket in your backyard. So there's NO fighting about anything without "the association" coming down on your ass. The second she gets better, or *whatever*, I'm gone from this desert nightmare. (Maricopa county, AZ.) NOT a healthy place to live if you're not used to it.
 Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549


OMG, if you're able, maybe try to get both of you away from this asap. My parents were both elderly, but very well and had never been sick until 2.5 years ago. I know they had a new meter installed about that time. That's why I was away from my home, taking care of them, but I got so ill while there, I had to hire someone to take care of all of us! They are both gone now. Probably has no relation, but it certainly gives me pause. DAMN! Good Luck Capt.

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Do you have a friend that is a lawyer? I say this because then you could threaten the HOA for free. Do you go to the HOA meetings? HOAs are a mess. The previous HOA that I was in decided to paint some of the townhouses yellow. A woman put together a petition (from an internet form) and went around and talked to everybody she could. She was effective and the meeting about it was unbelievable. Oh God, I forgot. Anyway she got her way even though they had already bought the paint.

I loved the yellow and went and defended it even though I was moving.

It is worth trying. They don't want a lawyer to threaten them.

I grew up in a yellow house and my mother wore a yellow dress is part of what I said.....I fucked with them for fun. Yellow lost though.
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This is DATA-MINING pure and simple. A case of technology racing ahead of the ever present corruption of our "Representatives" and the FCC VS what is best for the American people.

I worry more about the privacy aspects which are easier to prove from both a software and hardware aspect then are the health impacts. The studies are still ongoing but since most people have no problem with a cell phone strapped to their head that part of this I won't overly stress.

I'm not saying they are safe but I know they are POTENTIALLY intrusive. The problem is since it's a digital device it runs software and like most devices around us the programming is proprietary and not available for you or any of us to study.

A..PRIVACY
1. What EXACT ABILITIES does it have to analyze and determine what exact power consuming devices you are running at any one time?

2. I don't recall allowing my power company UNRESTRICTED ACCESS to my power needs other then a "gross" figure. Whatever I run doesn't change the amount of power I need?

B..SAFTEY
3. What EXACT POWER LEVELS does it transmit next to your house depending on the conditions? If it can "see" a cell tower it uses lower power. If it can't it "networks" with all the other little smart meters till it can find one with a view of a cell tower.

4. Given #3 what if your house's smart meter is the only one "in view" of a cell tower. It will spend all day transmitting every other smart meter's information in your neighborhood because it can with you right next to it, hours on end.

C..SUMMARY
5. Where was ANY OF THIS when I signed up for service? It wasn't there. Reread my post and repeat.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
We are all the result of our past choices meeting the future.
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Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem right. How do you know? I am talking about the signal maybe bouncing off of one box with the best or only cell tower reception. You only have to read this one time.
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Federal law states only that you can have a "smart" meter, or what the Federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 called a "time-based" meter, if you want one. Here's a link to the law, and the guideline is on page 374. [link to www.gpo.gov]

Here is a link to a story with an interview with one of the authors of the law, Representative Dennis Bonnen. He says that they are not supposed to be forced on people: [link to www.thenewamerican.com]

Go to this link to find out how to avoid having a "smart" meter. Build a cage around yours, if you can, making sure that the meter reader can clearly see the numbers/dials: [link to stopsmartmeters.org]
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Our power company here in Central Oregon said that either we get a smart meter or get no power from them.
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Who knew cell phones would cause cancer when the first came out? Mostly only the companies that made them, and profited from them.
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Question, my meter isnt a "smartmeter" i dont think. It send the signal threw the power lines or some shit, or so they say. But yet i have at least half of the symptoms caused by these smartmeters. So, does anyone know what kind i may have?
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The switching mode power supply (SMPS) in smart meters can also cause a problem. Perhaps you have one of these in your meter. Here's more info: [link to eon3emfblog.net]

So, even if they tell you they'll give you a smart meter with the transmitter turned off, don't accept it. The SMPS can cause as many problems as the radiofrequency radiation (RFR) emitted from the transmitter.
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look up Atomic city Idaho. Many lawsuits for a small town, they didnt even ask permission to put the meters in, just did it.
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smart meters are the only way to truly integrate wind and solar into the grid in a meaningfull way not to mention electric vehicals

if you dont like it suck it up and go off grid
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smart meters are the only way to truly integrate wind and solar into the grid in a meaningfull way not to mention electric vehicals

if you dont like it suck it up and go off grid
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Some people are getting very sick, they have caused fires not to mention that the people monitoring can tell when you are or aren't home. They can be used to limit and control the amount of energy you recieve. In some places they are completely unnecessary to control power usage peaks the grid is fine.

People will lose their jobs because of it. It is done to cut costs by getting rid of jobs.

But you could have read all that. I like to ban, keep on coming and voila as if by magic you will be gone from my thread......
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smart meters are the only way to truly integrate wind and solar into the grid in a meaningfull way not to mention electric vehicals

if you dont like it suck it up and go off grid
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Some people are getting very sick, they have caused fires not to mention that the people monitoring can tell when you are or aren't home. They can be used to limit and control the amount of energy you recieve. In some places they are completely unnecessary to control power usage peaks the grid is fine.

People will lose their jobs because of it. It is done to cut costs by getting rid of jobs.

But you could have read all that. I like to ban, keep on coming and voila as if by magic you will be gone from my thread......
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LOL ok go ahead if you must BUT before you do know that
i agree with you about smart meters being very very bad
for many reasons and i have chosen to go off grid so that i have controll over how energy is used in my home.

(me personally i dont even like high voltage AC current in my home)

But like i said the smart meters are the only way to integrate all these forms of alternate and clean energy
technologies so they have a vital place in any future.

the sad fact is most people just dont apreciate what is has taken to get energy into their homes with such conveinience the smart meters will just mean that they dont have to worry about it
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smart meters are the only way to truly integrate wind and solar into the grid in a meaningfull way not to mention electric vehicals

if you dont like it suck it up and go off grid
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Some people are getting very sick, they have caused fires not to mention that the people monitoring can tell when you are or aren't home. They can be used to limit and control the amount of energy you recieve. In some places they are completely unnecessary to control power usage peaks the grid is fine.

People will lose their jobs because of it. It is done to cut costs by getting rid of jobs.

But you could have read all that. I like to ban, keep on coming and voila as if by magic you will be gone from my thread......
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LOL ok go ahead if you must BUT before you do know that
i agree with you about smart meters being very very bad
for many reasons and i have chosen to go off grid so that i have controll over how energy is used in my home.

(me personally i dont even like high voltage AC current in my home)

But like i said the smart meters are the only way to integrate all these forms of alternate and clean energy
technologies so they have a vital place in any future.

the sad fact is most people just dont apreciate what is has taken to get energy into their homes with such conveinience the smart meters will just mean that they dont have to worry about it
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That's a mixed message and appreciation is maybe rare. I appreciate your input even though it doesn't make sense to me.
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I'm taking care of my elderly mom for awhile and a smart meter was installed directly on the other side of the wall from the head of my bed.

Headaches, insomnia, nightmares, skin rashes, dizziness, ringing in ears, cramps, chest pains, loss of memory, pain in the eyes, racing heart, difficulty swallowing, burning sensations on the head and chest, irregular heart beats, sinus pain, disorientation, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, exhaustion, stomach issues, ear aches, miscarriages, irritability, fatigue, joint pain, back pains, electric like shocks, nervousness, stomach rolling, palpitations, eczema, urinary bladder reflex, watery eyes, agitation, anxiety, vomiting, intense thirst, teeth pressure & buzzing, menstrual irregularity, weak, vertigo, pulsations in the ears, emotional distress, high blood pressure, feeling like your going to have a heart attack, tingling sensation, exhausted, flu like symptoms, loss of appetite, loss of weight, intermittent confusion, cardiovascular effects, tightness in chest, heaviness, trembling. hot flashes, impaired cognitive functioning, hyper-arousal.

These are all the symptoms I NEVER had before, except tinnitus, but nowhere near as bad as the last few months. Reading is a passion of mine and I can't lay in bed and read anymore without going over the same paragraph to the point I give up. I can't even stay concentrated on a TV show (which isn't such a bad thing, I guess).

My head is probably about 3 feet from the meter on the other side of the wall when I sleep. And this is one of those "planned" communities where you get a fine for so little as having a tomato plant in a bucket in your backyard. So there's NO fighting about anything without "the association" coming down on your ass. The second she gets better, or *whatever*, I'm gone from this desert nightmare. (Maricopa county, AZ.) NOT a healthy place to live if you're not used to it.
 Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549


OMG, if you're able, maybe try to get both of you away from this asap. My parents were both elderly, but very well and had never been sick until 2.5 years ago. I know they had a new meter installed about that time. That's why I was away from my home, taking care of them, but I got so ill while there, I had to hire someone to take care of all of us! They are both gone now. Probably has no relation, but it certainly gives me pause. DAMN! Good Luck Capt.

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Thanks. Whenever I leave here for a few days I feel "normal" again. I can sit and read, I sleep better, tinnitus is at a minimum and hardly noticeable and I even feel better after I eat.

There's no fighting the association here. I tried to about them saturating all the grounds around here with Roundup and they just laughed at me. Down the road there's a park, they even totally soak the kids playground with the stuff. And a small "lake" (pond) that they stock with fish that all that stuff runs in to and the people eat the fish they catch from. They say it's safe, but when I tell them I'll buy them and their family the dinner of their choice if afterwards they'll all drink a glass of the stuff they change the subject real fast.

Sorry about your folks. Mom's all I have left in the world, and I'm not looking forward to the inevitable.

I hope the best for all our future's...
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If you still have an old meter and want to keep it this may help: Every electric meter is secured by a Ring Collar and a Small Lock that the Electric Company has a Key Like a Thick Bobby-pin that goes maybe 2 inches into this lock and moves a Ball aside and the lock comes out Thus being able to change the meter. Now if your Old meter is still there and works Fine and you want to Keep it Steps to take at "YOUR OWN RISK THIS IS UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT THIS DONE" and in the Middle of the Night so No One Sees what you are doing : The small Lock that has the hole for the Key, If Somehow Epoxy of Super Crazy Glue Just So Happened to Accidentally Get Into That Hole an Seal it Well The Electric Co. Just might have ALOT of Difficulty in trying to Change the Meter and will Probably Give up and Leave. Just a thought. It's Not 100% but will still cause Havoc .
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Federal law states only that you can have a "smart" meter, or what the Federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 called a "time-based" meter, if you want one. Here's a link to the law, and the guideline is on page 374. [link to www.gpo.gov]

Here is a link to a story with an interview with one of the authors of the law, Representative Dennis Bonnen. He says that they are not supposed to be forced on people: [link to www.thenewamerican.com]

Go to this link to find out how to avoid having a "smart" meter. Build a cage around yours, if you can, making sure that the meter reader can clearly see the numbers/dials: [link to stopsmartmeters.org]
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Our power company here in Central Oregon said that either we get a smart meter or get no power from them.
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I'm so sorry to hear that. I was only able to find one contact for Oregon at www.stopsmartmeters.org. Here it is: Ashland- Rod Newton newtons[at]mind[dot]net.

Sometimes the power company is bluffing. Legally they cannot turn off your power unless you haven't paid your bill. I don't know the situation where you are. Be ready to go to the media - they have been helpful in some instances. Also, consider hiring a lawyer. If you have any disabilities, you may be able to refuse one successfully on those grounds. www.stopsmartmeters.org is a great source of information, and Josh Hart and his team are very willing to help people. Just write to them at info@stopsmartmeters.org. Good luck!
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If you still have an old meter and want to keep it this may help: Every electric meter is secured by a Ring Collar and a Small Lock that the Electric Company has a Key Like a Thick Bobby-pin that goes maybe 2 inches into this lock and moves a Ball aside and the lock comes out Thus being able to change the meter. Now if your Old meter is still there and works Fine and you want to Keep it Steps to take at "YOUR OWN RISK THIS IS UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT THIS DONE" and in the Middle of the Night so No One Sees what you are doing : The small Lock that has the hole for the Key, If Somehow Epoxy of Super Crazy Glue Just So Happened to Accidentally Get Into That Hole an Seal it Well The Electric Co. Just might have ALOT of Difficulty in trying to Change the Meter and will Probably Give up and Leave. Just a thought. It's Not 100% but will still cause Havoc .

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I love that.
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So the power company has no idea.

lol, CIA?
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when the pizza delivery guy shows up at your door and refuses to tell you which outfit he's delivering for it's time to notice the coffee is at half past burn

since this is their best effort at progress over the last 2000 years it's easy to see why their license is being revoked

no question, and even that's rhetorical
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If one covers the meter with tin-foil, especially when using washer/dryer, dishwasher a/conditioning, electric furnace etc., & it stops the meter from beaming the frequencies to the cell tower or hydro stations, what happens when one removes the tin foil for a while.? My question is, does the # of watts used accumulate in the meter somehow & once the meter is uncovered, the beaming starts firing off all that used wattage to the hydro station. Which means, covering with tin-foil does not stop the usual billing????

Anyone here have an answer to this????
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If one covers the meter with tin-foil, especially when using washer/dryer, dishwasher a/conditioning, electric furnace etc., & it stops the meter from beaming the frequencies to the cell tower or hydro stations, what happens when one removes the tin foil for a while.? My question is, does the # of watts used accumulate in the meter somehow & once the meter is uncovered, the beaming starts firing off all that used wattage to the hydro station. Which means, covering with tin-foil does not stop the usual billing????

Anyone here have an answer to this????
 Quoting: ohhappydays


We've done tests on our asd's. Tinfoil does not block the signal, hell, they're made to transmit through basements, in the city.

And yes, if the signal's blocked, once it's unblocked the account will be updated.

Do you have a cellphone?
Do you turn it off when you're not using it?
Do you attack others near you who's cellphones are on?

No? Why not?

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We got a notice in the mail that they would be coming out to install a smart meter at our house soon. Does anyone know what would happen if we fixed it so that the old one could not be removed? Would we get in trouble? Would they shut off our electricity? Would they just install a smart meter on the same pole and disconnect the old one?
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so far, nothing is happening to the people in Texas
[link to abcnews.go.com]
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We got a notice in the mail that they would be coming out to install a smart meter at our house soon. Does anyone know what would happen if we fixed it so that the old one could not be removed? Would we get in trouble? Would they shut off our electricity? Would they just install a smart meter on the same pole and disconnect the old one?
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so far, nothing is happening to the people in Texas
[link to abcnews.go.com]
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What a great article, thanks for sharing.

just the end here

In the meantime, CenterPoint has directed its employees to leave immediately when a resident rejects a smart meter. The company says contract installers are encountering tough resistance in some neighborhoods.

"We're concerned about the safety of utility workers and other public service personnel legitimately doing their jobs," said CenterPoint spokesman Floyd LeBlanc.

Taormina, 55, says she's keeping her pistol handy just in case. The first smart meter installer who came to her house last summer wouldn't leave until she got the weapon out, she said.

"If someone comes on my property and assaults me — that's the idea of having a weapon is to equalize my little self against somebody that's bigger than me," she said.
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Windy...there are lots of threads on GLP about Smart Meters. Just put Smart Meter in the search box.

These devices will make you sick...very sick. Its all part of their agenda.
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I am going to make that a priortity to check first. I will get this glp thing sooner or later.
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When I lived in LA at this one particular residence for 4 years ALL the above mentioned symptoms I experienced during that time. I also suffered an N.D.E. (Near Death Experience). When I moved back to the midwest they stopped! Now you have me thinking! Wow!
~"For the total development of the human being, solitude as a means of cultivating sensitivity becomes a necessity. One has to know what it means to be alone, what it is to meditate, what it is to die; and the implications of solitude, of meditation, of death, can be known only by seeking them out. These implications cannot be taught, they must be learned."
- Krishnamurti ~
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Windy...there are lots of threads on GLP about Smart Meters. Just put Smart Meter in the search box.

These devices will make you sick...very sick. Its all part of their agenda.
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I am going to make that a priortity to check first. I will get this glp thing sooner or later.
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When I lived in LA at this one particular residence for 4 years ALL the above mentioned symptoms I experienced during that time. I also suffered an N.D.E. (Near Death Experience). When I moved back to the midwest they stopped! Now you have me thinking! Wow!
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I wonder....all the symptoms? horrible