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why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]

 
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another one....

image - [link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
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HHHMMMMspock
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I love how the rocket thrusters on the lander havent disturbed the prisitine moon surface, and how there is no moon dust on the legs...


Apollo 11 is a hoax for sure...
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Yes, that is interesting, isn't it...
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And look at the white rock infront of buzz compared to all the grey rocks on that picture.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
wow, so yesterday, two rockets were launched to study the 'treacherous' van allen belts.

it appears that NASA by sending these probes is admitting that they don't know jack shit about the belts while the shills here have told us they know every square inch of the belts and how much radiation is contained within them at any point.


[link to www.vancouversun.com]
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No, they want to know MORE about it as future missions may not have the luxury of a planned trajectory going around the majority of them like they did during Apollo. You can only use those trajectories at certain times. If you want to go back and forth more often you'll have to go through the thicker parts hence the wanting to know more about the belts as a whole.
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Yep, they sure do want to know more; they know nothing today, and knew even less in the mid-sixties.

The only ones that don't need to know more are the shills on this site as they knew everything about them 45 years ago.

Back then, the outer belts were not even known, but the astronots, with no radiation monitoring equipment whatsoever, knew exactly where to fly through and they didn't know the outer belts existed. No animal was sent to the moon first; but a tin can, with astronots in clown suits made multiple round trips.
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They knew nothing then? You'll have to prove that. I doubt you can. They sent multiple probes through the belts. They knew the radiation environment in them. It is not necessary to send animals through that can't tell you what is wrong with them when multiple probes with instrumentation do a better job.
The astronauts didn't need radiation monitoring equipment to fly through them. Are you imagining some maze of radiation and multiple course changes? Their trajectory was planned well in advance to go AROUND the majority of the belts through the thinnest outer edge. No steering by the astronauts needed at all. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean they didn't.



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And it is the LM by the way. Why do the hoaxers insist on using the wrong name? Another symptom of their lack of research?
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They parrot the hoax mongers, they parrot each other.
Actual research is something they never do. Hence all the stupid questions.
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Back then, the outer belts were not even known,
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Don't fucking lie.

but the astronots, with no radiation monitoring equipment whatsoever,
 Quoting: Brubaker

Don't fucking lie.

astronots in clown suits
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Don't fucking lie.

WTF is wrong with you?
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Hmmmmm guys.....

In the following picture, zoom in on the Astronauts Sun Visor.....

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You can see another Astronaut taking the picture but look at the shadows on the ground of the flag and Astronaut, they don't match the shadows when you zoom out.....

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
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Yes, they do. Convex visor distorts it some but they do match.
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Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
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Hmmmmm guys.....

In the following picture, zoom in on the Astronauts Sun Visor.....

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You can see another Astronaut taking the picture but look at the shadows on the ground of the flag and Astronaut, they don't match the shadows when you zoom out.....

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944086


Yes, they do. Convex visor distorts it some but they do match.
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Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
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fuck the damn shadows!!! compare the two image's content!!! I'll accept that there were 10 fucking suns all stacked up and shining down on the whole glorious landing site if someone can adequately explain why the photo's content IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE MIRRORED VISOR IMAGE!!!

clues for you apollo believers....

in the photo, the astroNOT is very close to camera AND THE LEM IS DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM IN THE IMAGE.

In the visor the astroNOT is very far away, reflecting a MUCH wider horizon....but NO LEM!!!!!!!

riddle me that?
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Hmmmmm guys.....

In the following picture, zoom in on the Astronauts Sun Visor.....

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You can see another Astronaut taking the picture but look at the shadows on the ground of the flag and Astronaut, they don't match the shadows when you zoom out.....

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944086


Yes, they do. Convex visor distorts it some but they do match.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280257


convex visors.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Hmmmmm guys.....

In the following picture, zoom in on the Astronauts Sun Visor.....

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You can see another Astronaut taking the picture but look at the shadows on the ground of the flag and Astronaut, they don't match the shadows when you zoom out.....

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944086


Yes, they do. Convex visor distorts it some but they do match.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280257


fuck the damn shadows!!! compare the two image's content!!! I'll accept that there were 10 fucking suns all stacked up and shining down on the whole glorious landing site if someone can adequately explain why the photo's content IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE MIRRORED VISOR IMAGE!!!

clues for you apollo believers....

in the photo, the astroNOT is very close to camera AND THE LEM IS DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM IN THE IMAGE.

In the visor the astroNOT is very far away, reflecting a MUCH wider horizon....but NO LEM!!!!!!!

riddle me that?
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you're asking why the LM, not LEM by the way, that is BEHIND the astronaut is not in the reflection in the same astronaut's visor? The visor that is showing reflections of stuff IN FRONT of him?
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
That's a new one.
People who don't know how a mirror works.

How is that even possible, there are mirrors everywhere.
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And look at the white rock infront of buzz compared to all the grey rocks on that picture.
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Do you perchance mean the white bag behind Aldrin, under the LM?
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Yep, they sure do want to know more; they know nothing today, and knew even less in the mid-sixties.

The only ones that don't need to know more are the shills on this site as they knew everything about them 45 years ago.
 Quoting: Brubaker


Straw man. Nobody said that -- except the hoaxies.


Back then, the outer belts were not even known,
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A lie. The Proton Belt was confirmed in 1958 -- first measured by Explorer 4 (and by a Soviet mission in the same time frame.


but the astronots, with no radiation monitoring equipment
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A lies. Not only was there measuring equipment outside and inside the spacecraft, the astronauts wore multiple dosimeters on their clothing to measure what got through to different parts of their body. All the collected data was tabulated and a simple pubs search will turn it up.


whatsoever, knew exactly where to fly through and they didn't know the outer belts existed.
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A lie and a repeat lie.


No animal was sent to the moon first;
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You actually got one right! No animal LANDED on the Moon. Just went into cislunar space, as well as through the VARB multiple times and even multi-hour stays in the lower belt (much longer than any Apollo flight).



but a tin can, with astronots in clown suits made multiple round trips.
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Not tin, but who is counting now.
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And look at the white rock infront of buzz compared to all the grey rocks on that picture.
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Yes, do...you might figure out something.



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another one....

image - [link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
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HHHMMMMspock
 Quoting: THE INQUISADOR


I love how the rocket thrusters on the lander havent disturbed the prisitine moon surface, and how there is no moon dust on the legs...

Apollo 11 is a hoax for sure...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22811026


This^^^
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
There is somthing truly odd about the Moon right now. Its full for a few more days so go look at it with binoculers or a spotting scope. The view is different. Its not the same as it has always been. The Moon does not spin but rotates around the Earth. We have had the same view all through history but that view is gone. The man on the moon is gone. Go watch it for yourselfs. Pick a spot and see if it has moved from one night to the next. Either it moved or the Earth is Wobbleing around. You decide.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
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Ah, good. Thank you for explaining what it is you expected to see. Otherwise we are trying to guess.


The basic problem is that you are not thinking in perspective, and there are two transforms involved here. The first is that a camera (or the human eye) is essentially a single focal point. All light has to converge there. So any lines that were straight and parallel in affine space MUST curve and converge in projective space.

The second is, of course, a spherical reflector, which is almost the reverse (but a similar kind of distortion.)

You can not -- it would be idiotic to -- directly compare any lines in different parts of the image. It would be as stupid as trying to directly match what is seen in a mirror to what is being reflected. Instead you have to treat each world as a separate coordinate set and solve them internally.

The shadows in the first space (the photographed scene) due to basic perspective converge on the source. Look at the slight angle between the shadow of the Solar Wind Collector, and Buzz. Follow the line of the lens flares; internal lens reflections will always point towards the source as well. (There is some distortion due to terrain elevation but basically they project).

The shadows in the INTERNAL scene (aka, that which is reflected off the helmet) are because of the convex reflector converging in the opposite direction; they are all pointing towards the center of the visor.

Now here's where it gets interesting. The photographer is center. He HAS to be, assuming a perfectly spherical visor (it isn't, but close enough for this example). The Sun is NOT, however, in the center of the picture. It out of frame on the left...at about a 10:00 position referenced to the angle between photographer and photographed astronaut.

Each shadow has a different base, of course, which are spaced around the photographer; SWC to his left, LM to his right. So all of those shadows must have bases coming from these positions. They all converge, however, on the anti-sun; since this is reciprocal of the perspective of the outer scene. Which they do. ALL the shadows are visibly converging in the anti-sun direction (you can see that most clearly with the shadow of the LM). You can't of course see the sun, but there is a fortunate effect of the lunar soil; it is retroflective, and the bright spot of heligenschien appears in the exact location on the horizontal plane that is opposite of the Sun.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
fuck the damn shadows!!! compare the two image's content!!! I'll accept that there were 10 fucking suns all stacked up and shining down on the whole glorious landing site if someone can adequately explain why the photo's content IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE MIRRORED VISOR IMAGE!!!

clues for you apollo believers....

in the photo, the astroNOT is very close to camera AND THE LEM IS DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM IN THE IMAGE.

In the visor the astroNOT is very far away, reflecting a MUCH wider horizon....but NO LEM!!!!!!!

riddle me that?
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Err, what?

Why would a mirror reflect something that was behind it?
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That's a new one.
People who don't know how a mirror works.

How is that even possible, there are mirrors everywhere.
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Maybe he's a vampire. No personal experience.



Do you perchance mean the white bag behind Aldrin, under the LM?

 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


I was guessing he meant a small rock closer to Aldrin; one that has near-vertical faces almost perfectly oriented to capture the light coming off the suit.

But it's a hoaxie. He could mean either. Or something even more absurd. And whatever he meant originally, he'll change it anyhow.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Hrm. Based on a closer reading of posts above, I think at least one of the AC's is having trouble with the concept of collapse of visual field; that what is shown in a hemispherical reflector is 180 degrees across. Even the wide angle camera lens isn't that great (120, if I remember correctly).

Because of this collapse, objects will appear "crushed together" -- human vision is about 60 degrees, so the apparent angle between objects is less than 1/2 of what you'd expect.
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Concave - convex.

Guess there are people who have never really looked at a spoon.
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the first pic with the flag is strange ,the flags shadows are going left and the other shadows are going right in the pic.
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the first pic with the flag is strange ,the flags shadows are going left and the other shadows are going right in the pic.
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Take a closer look: [link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

You can barely see bits of the thin flag-post's shadow on the accidented terrain. But it's there.
The thick shadow on left is from something else.
Namely the Solar Wind Composition Experiment which we saw in picture 8.
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Maybe the Moon landing hoax was actually shot on the Moon?
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Hahahaha. I love this.
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Re: why can I see studio lights on the moon? [PHOTO]
Hmmmmm guys.....

In the following picture, zoom in on the Astronauts Sun Visor.....

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You can see another Astronaut taking the picture but look at the shadows on the ground of the flag and Astronaut, they don't match the shadows when you zoom out.....

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944086


Yes, they do. Convex visor distorts it some but they do match.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


Are you blind?! The 2 sets of shadows [photo & visor reflection] are at completely different angles to each other!

Photo has the "sun" to the left of photographer and right of astroNOT...about photographers 10 o'clock. Shadow of AstroNOT being pphoto'd accordingly points to his 10 o'clock.

Shadows IN THE VISOR show the photographers shadows running out almost directly away from him TOWARDS astroNOT being photo'd Putting the "sun" almost directly behind him and more directly in front of the photographer. [rermember the visor is mirroring the image]

The REAL problem with pics like these is that these visor/shadow discrepancies are not simply a matter of bad stage lighting....the visor image HAD TO HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY EDITED this way...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280257


Bad stage lighting? Call it impossible! Go to any university with a decent technical theater program and ask them about achieving a seamless effect with multiple lights. They'll all sigh deeply. Can't be done. You are always struggling with edge mis-match and multiple shadows.

And, no. I'm not looking at the picture now, but everything you say is consistent with you failing to understand affine space. No camera with a field of view larger than an infinitesimal dot will create an image in which all lines are presented parallel in picture space. It is basic geometry. Any image taken of, say, the shadows cast by various objects, will have those shadows oriented in different ways depending on their location within the picture frame. Do random image searches. Look at fence posts, trees. Sheep. Look at anything. Get out the straight edge and draw the projection of the shadows. They will converge. They HAVE to.

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