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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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OT - Libya Update - The Shooting has Started in Bani Walid...

The Battle for Bani Walid begins -

Today the "Libyan Shield" Forces fresh off their "issues" in Brak mobilized to take Bani Walid and arrest two men accused of torturing the man who captured Gaddafi. Shield forces were ordered to surround the town and cut off escape routes. There were clashes in Mardom, approximately 25km from Bani Walid and then the Shield forces withdrew and shelled the Eastern part of Bani Walid. There are conflicting reports on casualties. Libyan Shield forces have now reportedly set up 60km from Bani Walid. Unconfirmed reports that Bani Walid has opened the valves of the Great Manmade River to flood the valleys around Bani Walid.

Video of shelling near Bani Walid today was posted by Great Werfalla on YouTube.. . [link to www.youtube.com]

Note - The Libyan Shield Force is group of government registered militias (many from Misratah). Bani Walid is the home base of the Warfallah tribe - the largest tribe in Libya. The Misratah clans and the Warfallah tribe are historic enemies. There are reports of attacks on Misratan businesses in Sabha, Sirte and possibly Benghazi... Warfallah from Sabha are reportedly moving through Mizdah on their way to Bani Walid to join the defense of the city.

Political Intrigue

Libya continues without a government. NTC PM (and Warfallah Tribeman) Jibril is continuing to delay General National Congress (GNC) PM Abushagur's attempts to form a government. GNC PM Abushugar has been deadline of 10/7. If he fails to form a government by that date, he will be replaced as PM-elect.

BREAKING - Several Twitter accounts are leaking names of proposed cabinet ministers - we'll know if the leaks are legitimate tomorrow...

The recent "France killed Gaddafi" stories began when Jibril told an Egyptian reporter that a foreign intelligence agency was responsible for Gaddafi's death. I personally believe the timing of this admission had more to do with tribal politics than with Jibril's interest in a leadership position in the GNC (but I could be wrong & the two can be interconnected).

With the Bravado coming from both sides, I can't tell whether the Warfallah of Bani Walid are powerful enough to destabilizing (nationally) (they are just one component of the Warfallah tribe - a large group that is not known for its unity).

Here's a link - Fatal clashes reported outside Bani Walid as forces muster for possible assault - Libya Herald [link to www.libyaherald.com]

Here's a link from outside Libya (a/p story) [link to www.timescolonist.com]

BREAKING - Obeidi - former NTC Intelligence Chief told Time that he is sure that AQIM was responsible for Benghazi consulate attacks. Obeidi was protege of Gen. Younis who was killed by Benghazi Islamists in the summer of 2011. So - he has a reason to encourage US military action against Islamists. The Motive and the Means: Did al-Qaeda Stage the Benghazi Attack? [link to ti.me] via @TIMEWorld
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OT - LIbya Update - Islamists

Constitutional Issues

No one has made a final decision on who will draft the new constitution.  The General National Congress’s (GNC) original purpose was to draft a constitution; however, before the July election, the NTC took that power away from the GNC, ruling that drafting authority should rest in a new body in which each historical region of Libya has equal representation.  It’s widely expected that the GNC will reverse that ruling and fulfill its original purpose, but basic questions regarding the basic premise upon which “new” Libya will be formed remain unanswered.

Magarief, President of the GNC has said that he wants a secular state.  He then went on to explain that as the Libyan people are 100% Muslim, he couldn't imagine a constitution that contravened sharia in any way.  Even this nod to modernity may be a “bridge too far.”

Today Goiters had a piece on the Islamists from Derna explaining their current anger and their proposed solution - "the solution is to draft an Islamic constitution ... (to show) a true Islamic state."  The article goes on to note that some jihadists are already preparing for what they see is an inevitable showdown with those who seek to turn Libya into an "apostate" nation.

Missing Islamists

In the aftermath of the September 24th Benghazi protests, some Islamist groups in Tripoli & Benghazi may have disbanded, while many, such as Ansar al Sharia have simply disappeared.  

It’s worth noting that these groups include members of the disbanded Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), whose members hid in the Green Mountains of eastern Libya during their struggle against Gaddafi in the 1990s.  These men then joined groups such as al-Qaeda in Afghanistan & Iraq before returning to Libya, sometimes in chains, after Gaddafi’s rapprochement with the West.  Thus, Libya has groups of battle-hardened men who have experience in “disappearing” until the situation warrants their re-emergence….      

Just wanted to give you some background as we begin US drone strikes in Libya. It's my belief that those strikes are more about reigning an Islamist threat to a pro-American Libyan government that revenge for the Benghazi consulate attack (just my opinion).

Here's a link to NYTimes article on drone strikes- U.S. Said to Be Preparing Potential Targets Tied to Libya Attack [link to nyti.ms]
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Twitter Report - Bani Walid hospital lacking basic medical supplies, citizens well-armed... Libyan air force may be used to take the city....

And these are the updates from the Pro-Revolution tweeters....

BREAKING - Bani Walid radio says city will fight to the last man....

Woke up with this thought....

Libyans/Syrians were working together in 2011...

In late October 2011, GreyCardinal tweeted that Gaddafi, his son Moatassim, & Defense Minister had chosen to die...(but of course, that was after they were dead)

Monday, Telegraph reported that Gaddafi was killed after Assad gave the French Gaddafi's sat phone number....

Suicide by Sat Phone??? OR If you are looking for a conspiracy you will always find one (or more)

damned

Link - again - Bashar al-Assad 'betrayed Col Gaddafi to save his Syrian regime' [link to soc.li]
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Iranian police clash with protesters over currency plunge

on reuters ...
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Iranian police clash with protesters over currency plunge

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if that gets any bigger...then it could be something
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Iranian police clash with protesters over currency plunge

on reuters ...
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if that gets any bigger...then it could be something
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Link to Guardian article

Iran currency crisis sparks Tehran street clashes [link to gu.com]

Excerpt -

With Iran's official inflation rate running at around 25%, the currency's weakness is hurting living standards and threatens to worsen a recent spate of job losses in Iran's industrial sector.

Tehran's main bazaar, one of the city's major shopping areas, is closed, witnesses say. A shopkeeper who sells household goods there told Reuters the instability of the rial was preventing merchants from quoting accurate prices.

A bazaar official, Ahmad Karimi Esfahani, told the Iranian Labour News Agency that the bazaar had been closed because of shopkeepers' safety concerns but would reopen on Thursday.
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Thread: BREAKING: US Military Base on Crete in War Alert as Turkey Preps for Full-Onslaught Invasion of Syria!! (Page 4)
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Just my thoughts...

What I think is happening is the U.S. administartion sees that Iran's economy is tanking and hoping that people will see what type of person Ahmadinejad and will hopefully vote a different political personality into office. The United States does not want to go to war, but the only way to stop it is to have a regime change; one who will work with the West. With that being said, I cannot see anybody from Iran being put into office that the west could trust... just look at Egypt.

Anyway, while it's been rather quiet, we are still hearing about how terrible Ahmadinejad is and what happend in Lybia. These little stories are to keep the publics focus off of what is soon to be a rather large operation in Northern Africa. I give it about one month tops before we start seeing more stories coming from Sudan, Somalia, the Congo, and the rest of the counties in the northern part of Africa. The U.S. is already there and they are quietly building and filling up bases.

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Dinnerjacket is only a pr face for Iran mullahs. they are the select few who run it. he's their mouthpiece so whoever the next less is won't make a difference unless the mullahs are removed
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Updates of the day.

A mysterious explosion again in a Hezbollah stronghold where arms are stored, the clandestine war on the Hezbollah has heated up in recent days.

Now too, foreign forces are taking advantage of Iranian discontent with its economy by staging protests in Iran.
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Just my thoughts...

What I think is happening is the U.S. administartion sees that Iran's economy is tanking and hoping that people will see what type of person Ahmadinejad and will hopefully vote a different political personality into office. The United States does not want to go to war, but the only way to stop it is to have a regime change; one who will work with the West. With that being said, I cannot see anybody from Iran being put into office that the west could trust... just look at Egypt.

Anyway, while it's been rather quiet, we are still hearing about how terrible Ahmadinejad is and what happend in Lybia. These little stories are to keep the publics focus off of what is soon to be a rather large operation in Northern Africa. I give it about one month tops before we start seeing more stories coming from Sudan, Somalia, the Congo, and the rest of the counties in the northern part of Africa. The U.S. is already there and they are quietly building and filling up bases.

hf
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I think ahmadinejad was reelected either this or last year, but you may be right
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Just my thoughts...

What I think is happening is the U.S. administartion sees that Iran's economy is tanking and hoping that people will see what type of person Ahmadinejad and will hopefully vote a different political personality into office. The United States does not want to go to war, but the only way to stop it is to have a regime change; one who will work with the West. With that being said, I cannot see anybody from Iran being put into office that the west could trust... just look at Egypt.

Anyway, while it's been rather quiet, we are still hearing about how terrible Ahmadinejad is and what happend in Lybia. These little stories are to keep the publics focus off of what is soon to be a rather large operation in Northern Africa. I give it about one month tops before we start seeing more stories coming from Sudan, Somalia, the Congo, and the rest of the counties in the northern part of Africa. The U.S. is already there and they are quietly building and filling up bases.

hf
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I think ahmadinejad was reelected either this or last year, but you may be right
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No there will be elections again bc dinnerjacket is stepping down next year. that is why it was his last UN visit last week. real change, forgive that aweful term, would not happen unless the mullahs are removed from power. otherwise its the same story for last almost 40 years, only with a new face.

unfortunately most outside of Asia minor don't understand this as they hear the term president and think automatically he is the guy calling the shots. he's not. if amadinnerjacket wants to eat rice pilaf foe dinner the mullahs get asked first.

I've majored in near east studies, I'm fluent in Persian and Arabic and know the cultural and historical background. not only is this a showdown of military proportions but its also an ideological showdown akin to ancient history when the Greeks were forced to deal with a growing Persian threat.

this is a continuation of an ideological east v west battle that has raged since the dawn of civilization . its gone hot at times and been dormantly cold at other times but right now its white hot and for the first time in over 1000 years the western world looks weak politically to the eastern agitators and they are smartly acting upon our weakness.
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Just my thoughts...

What I think is happening is the U.S. administartion sees that Iran's economy is tanking and hoping that people will see what type of person Ahmadinejad and will hopefully vote a different political personality into office. The United States does not want to go to war, but the only way to stop it is to have a regime change; one who will work with the West. With that being said, I cannot see anybody from Iran being put into office that the west could trust... just look at Egypt.

Anyway, while it's been rather quiet, we are still hearing about how terrible Ahmadinejad is and what happend in Lybia. These little stories are to keep the publics focus off of what is soon to be a rather large operation in Northern Africa. I give it about one month tops before we start seeing more stories coming from Sudan, Somalia, the Congo, and the rest of the counties in the northern part of Africa. The U.S. is already there and they are quietly building and filling up bases.

hf
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I think ahmadinejad was reelected either this or last year, but you may be right
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No there will be elections again bc dinnerjacket is stepping down next year. that is why it was his last UN visit last week. real change, forgive that aweful term, would not happen unless the mullahs are removed from power. otherwise its the same story for last almost 40 years, only with a new face.

unfortunately most outside of Asia minor don't understand this as they hear the term president and think automatically he is the guy calling the shots. he's not. if amadinnerjacket wants to eat rice pilaf foe dinner the mullahs get asked first.

I've majored in near east studies, I'm fluent in Persian and Arabic and know the cultural and historical background. not only is this a showdown of military proportions but its also an ideological showdown akin to ancient history when the Greeks were forced to deal with a growing Persian threat.

this is a continuation of an ideological east v west battle that has raged since the dawn of civilization . its gone hot at times and been dormantly cold at other times but right now its white hot and for the first time in over 1000 years the western world looks weak politically to the eastern agitators and they are smartly acting upon our weakness.
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And Gee who is leading the western countries... Why it's the USA.. and who leads the USA....

Question, from a Persian point of view: Would Iran start a war with Israel to cost Obama the election (Carter 2.0)?
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Erdogan: Turkey shelled "selected targets" in Syria based on the new "rules of engagement"


[link to www.hurriyet.com.tr]
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From: Thread: WAR: Turkish Army Continues To Pound Syria For A 2nd Day In Response To Mortar Strike Across Border!!! Turkey Green-Lights Military Action...

DOOM ON FOLKS!
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Erdogan: Turkey shelled "selected targets" in Syria based on the new "rules of engagement"


[link to www.hurriyet.com.tr]
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From: Thread: WAR: Turkish Army Continues To Pound Syria For A 2nd Day In Response To Mortar Strike Across Border!!! Turkey Green-Lights Military Action...

DOOM ON FOLKS!
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Could be right!
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NATO is meeting NOW...

OT - As Turkey/Syria go to war.....Libya moves in that direction...

GNC PM Abushugar names cabinet - when given list Moderate from Former PM Jibril's party rips it up (but MB leader was also not appointed)

Initial report - no members of National Forces Alliance (NFA) (Jibril's party)- moderate coalition that supposedly won the election included in new cabinet... Several little-known members of Moslem Brotherhood's party appointed to cabinet...

So the party who won the election gets no cabinet posts & and the party who lost (MB) gets 3 or 4... (no party won - only 80 out of 200 seats reserved for parties)

BREAKING - Twitter "gossip" is that Jibril chose at the last minute not to take place in new government...."poor" cabinet choices are due to last minute substitutions...

Abushagur names new government - Libya Herald [link to www.libyaherald.com]

If you can't win politically -

Leaders of Forjan, Warfalla & Gaddahfa Tribe meet in Tripoli and pledge support for Bani Walid...
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Netanyahu: Barak Trying to Spark Conflict with U.S.

Israeli PM Netanyahu worried that Barak is doing more harm than good, sparking conflict with the U.S.

[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

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Interesting! I was shocked to hear the other day that Barak is now distancing himself from Bibi. Word is new elections there in February 2013.
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Netanyahu: Barak Trying to Spark Conflict with U.S.

Israeli PM Netanyahu worried that Barak is doing more harm than good, sparking conflict with the U.S.

[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

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Interesting! I was shocked to hear the other day that Barak is now distancing himself from Bibi. Word is new elections there in February 2013.
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Without an attack until Spring, that would be the end result! Again, politics destroys the nation by creating inaction and Barak is known for cutting the legs out from under his competition when the result benefits him.
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Heads up to all that Syria is escalating before our eyes as maybe the fact with the Hezbollah.

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Heads up to all that Syria is escalating before our eyes as maybe the fact with the Hezbollah.

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glad I got tomorrow off and I'm home from the office for the day, time for coffee pot and some eating in
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Cyber attackers disrupt Internet in Iran

Heavy attacks yesterday on communications and infrastructure companies forced government to limit Internet access...

Presently we have constant cyberattacks in the country...

[link to www.chicagotribune.com]
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Just my thoughts...

What I think is happening is the U.S. administartion sees that Iran's economy is tanking and hoping that people will see what type of person Ahmadinejad and will hopefully vote a different political personality into office. The United States does not want to go to war, but the only way to stop it is to have a regime change; one who will work with the West. With that being said, I cannot see anybody from Iran being put into office that the west could trust... just look at Egypt.

Anyway, while it's been rather quiet, we are still hearing about how terrible Ahmadinejad is and what happend in Lybia. These little stories are to keep the publics focus off of what is soon to be a rather large operation in Northern Africa. I give it about one month tops before we start seeing more stories coming from Sudan, Somalia, the Congo, and the rest of the counties in the northern part of Africa. The U.S. is already there and they are quietly building and filling up bases.

hf
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I think ahmadinejad was reelected either this or last year, but you may be right
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No there will be elections again bc dinnerjacket is stepping down next year. that is why it was his last UN visit last week. real change, forgive that aweful term, would not happen unless the mullahs are removed from power. otherwise its the same story for last almost 40 years, only with a new face.

unfortunately most outside of Asia minor don't understand this as they hear the term president and think automatically he is the guy calling the shots. he's not. if amadinnerjacket wants to eat rice pilaf foe dinner the mullahs get asked first.

I've majored in near east studies, I'm fluent in Persian and Arabic and know the cultural and historical background. not only is this a showdown of military proportions but its also an ideological showdown akin to ancient history when the Greeks were forced to deal with a growing Persian threat.

this is a continuation of an ideological east v west battle that has raged since the dawn of civilization . its gone hot at times and been dormantly cold at other times but right now its white hot and for the first time in over 1000 years the western world looks weak politically to the eastern agitators and they are smartly acting upon our weakness.
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And Gee who is leading the western countries... Why it's the USA.. and who leads the USA....

Question, from a Persian point of view: Would Iran start a war with Israel to cost Obama the election (Carter 2.0)?
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Sorry for the delay... absolutely not, Iran would be foolish to attack right now. Ultimately however they have also done their research and understand that Obamas electoral chances are weak. and that if he were to lose I wouldn't be surprised to see "celebratory " strikes from Israel on Iran..

yes you are right that Obama is good for them in comparison to a strong leader capable of speaking hard truths and willing to draw a red line like Romney would.

likewise tho Israel is aware of these same issues, our friends and convenient situational friends see this and most importantly our military/special forces communities are aware of this. so there's pressure on Iran knowing this. Plus remember, months and months of having their troops at high alert drains resources whether in the field or not. most importantly it drains a soldiers ability to maintain peak reactionary response levels, by now their front line and advance warning troops are worn down and psychologically stretched pass their limit. think of it as if your commander cried wolf daily and said to be on sorry as an attack is imminent .. now pretend he has said that everyday for the last 6 months... ure not gonna believe it at one point or least, you won't take as much precedent in what's said.

Question from me though... would a theocratic nation, run by radical, religious morphing, mullahs hellbent on fulfilling a prophecy where by starting a cataclysmic war unlike any before in the region their Mahdi will reappear and usher in a new Muslim caliphate, start a war regardless of who Americas president was?
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Heads up to all that Syria is escalating before our eyes as maybe the fact with the Hezbollah.

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Bet those IRGC troops Iran aired into Syria last week are playing a significant role in the mayhem.
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Where the hell is Gerry? Lack of Gerry could mean something big is going down. Remember the last time he went off grid? That was when Syria starting getting hot.
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I think ahmadinejad was reelected either this or last year, but you may be right
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No there will be elections again bc dinnerjacket is stepping down next year. that is why it was his last UN visit last week. real change, forgive that aweful term, would not happen unless the mullahs are removed from power. otherwise its the same story for last almost 40 years, only with a new face.

unfortunately most outside of Asia minor don't understand this as they hear the term president and think automatically he is the guy calling the shots. he's not. if amadinnerjacket wants to eat rice pilaf foe dinner the mullahs get asked first.

I've majored in near east studies, I'm fluent in Persian and Arabic and know the cultural and historical background. not only is this a showdown of military proportions but its also an ideological showdown akin to ancient history when the Greeks were forced to deal with a growing Persian threat.

this is a continuation of an ideological east v west battle that has raged since the dawn of civilization . its gone hot at times and been dormantly cold at other times but right now its white hot and for the first time in over 1000 years the western world looks weak politically to the eastern agitators and they are smartly acting upon our weakness.
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And Gee who is leading the western countries... Why it's the USA.. and who leads the USA....

Question, from a Persian point of view: Would Iran start a war with Israel to cost Obama the election (Carter 2.0)?
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Sorry for the delay... absolutely not, Iran would be foolish to attack right now. Ultimately however they have also done their research and understand that Obamas electoral chances are weak. and that if he were to lose I wouldn't be surprised to see "celebratory " strikes from Israel on Iran..

yes you are right that Obama is good for them in comparison to a strong leader capable of speaking hard truths and willing to draw a red line like Romney would.

likewise tho Israel is aware of these same issues, our friends and convenient situational friends see this and most importantly our military/special forces communities are aware of this. so there's pressure on Iran knowing this. Plus remember, months and months of having their troops at high alert drains resources whether in the field or not. most importantly it drains a soldiers ability to maintain peak reactionary response levels, by now their front line and advance warning troops are worn down and psychologically stretched pass their limit. think of it as if your commander cried wolf daily and said to be on sorry as an attack is imminent .. now pretend he has said that everyday for the last 6 months... ure not gonna believe it at one point or least, you won't take as much precedent in what's said.

Question from me though... would a theocratic nation, run by radical, religious morphing, mullahs hellbent on fulfilling a prophecy where by starting a cataclysmic war unlike any before in the region their Mahdi will reappear and usher in a new Muslim caliphate, start a war regardless of who Americas president was?
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You're the expert, do they believe? I know that brainwashed weak individuals (drugs?) can be convinced to put on a vest and blow themselves up, but will Ad'dinnerjacket put on a vest or will any of the Mullahs? Or are they like everyone else that reaches that high of a level of power and being the psychopaths that they are, just wait one more day...
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Heads up to all that Syria is escalating before our eyes as maybe the fact with the Hezbollah.

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Bet those IRGC troops Iran aired into Syria last week are playing a significant role in the mayhem.
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Yeah, but to what end and how does it benefit Iran, directly?
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No there will be elections again bc dinnerjacket is stepping down next year. that is why it was his last UN visit last week. real change, forgive that aweful term, would not happen unless the mullahs are removed from power. otherwise its the same story for last almost 40 years, only with a new face.

unfortunately most outside of Asia minor don't understand this as they hear the term president and think automatically he is the guy calling the shots. he's not. if amadinnerjacket wants to eat rice pilaf foe dinner the mullahs get asked first.

I've majored in near east studies, I'm fluent in Persian and Arabic and know the cultural and historical background. not only is this a showdown of military proportions but its also an ideological showdown akin to ancient history when the Greeks were forced to deal with a growing Persian threat.

this is a continuation of an ideological east v west battle that has raged since the dawn of civilization . its gone hot at times and been dormantly cold at other times but right now its white hot and for the first time in over 1000 years the western world looks weak politically to the eastern agitators and they are smartly acting upon our weakness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24885704


And Gee who is leading the western countries... Why it's the USA.. and who leads the USA....

Question, from a Persian point of view: Would Iran start a war with Israel to cost Obama the election (Carter 2.0)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23719187


Sorry for the delay... absolutely not, Iran would be foolish to attack right now. Ultimately however they have also done their research and understand that Obamas electoral chances are weak. and that if he were to lose I wouldn't be surprised to see "celebratory " strikes from Israel on Iran..

yes you are right that Obama is good for them in comparison to a strong leader capable of speaking hard truths and willing to draw a red line like Romney would.

likewise tho Israel is aware of these same issues, our friends and convenient situational friends see this and most importantly our military/special forces communities are aware of this. so there's pressure on Iran knowing this. Plus remember, months and months of having their troops at high alert drains resources whether in the field or not. most importantly it drains a soldiers ability to maintain peak reactionary response levels, by now their front line and advance warning troops are worn down and psychologically stretched pass their limit. think of it as if your commander cried wolf daily and said to be on sorry as an attack is imminent .. now pretend he has said that everyday for the last 6 months... ure not gonna believe it at one point or least, you won't take as much precedent in what's said.

Question from me though... would a theocratic nation, run by radical, religious morphing, mullahs hellbent on fulfilling a prophecy where by starting a cataclysmic war unlike any before in the region their Mahdi will reappear and usher in a new Muslim caliphate, start a war regardless of who Americas president was?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7879907


You're the expert, do they believe? I know that brainwashed weak individuals (drugs?) can be convinced to put on a vest and blow themselves up, but will Ad'dinnerjacket put on a vest or will any of the Mullahs? Or are they like everyone else that reaches that high of a level of power and being the psychopaths that they are, just wait one more day...
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first im no expert..anyone can get a degree...

No, the leaders wouldn't strap a vest on in Iran like you said. the iranian, and shia concept of martyrdom comes from Imam Husayn who died in karbala in the 7th century.. its a concept of resistance and being the ultimate smart bomb in a sense. they disbelieve in the sunni takfiri concept of a free for all in a sense that any "non" believer is game. shia and Iranian leaders ultimately think that taking out military targets and individual leaders is essential to distinguish the act from senseless slaughter .... buuut

that isn't to say though that Iran is beholden to that mindset or approach. Iran itself has morphed since the initial revolution and dropped ultimate religious approach and began to operate with sunni's. This fusion of sunni/irania/shia is what makes current Iran so interesting. It is b/c of the concept of ijtihad -- basically meaning independent exercise of judgment.-- It's made Iran, its satellites and individual operatives, easy to adapt to the 21st century unlike the radical Sunni elements it tends to avoid.

Think of the keys to heaven that were given to the child soldiers sent to march into mindfields to clear the way for larger military movements -- that's what they are capable of as well.
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Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.
Heads up to all that Syria is escalating before our eyes as maybe the fact with the Hezbollah.

siren2
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Bet those IRGC troops Iran aired into Syria last week are playing a significant role in the mayhem.
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Yeah, but to what end and how does it benefit Iran, directly?
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just google "height of persian empire" and check out the images -- like a map. you will know why it benefits them. Iranian's are not Iranian's, they are Persians. They don't just think they should have an empire they believe they believe they should have an empire by right.

What's going on right now is their play. On the world stage the superpowers are watching Iran step by step country after country gain foot holds and partners (like egypt, syria, etc) unable or rather unwilling to do a thing as we watch a modern petroleum enriched muslim caliphate emerge before our eyes a modern Persian Empire.

The worst part is we are complicit in this entire debacle. Firstly and longevity wise all leaders since Jimmy Carter are responsible for ignoring tehrans undeclared war on us despite. it was easy with the cold war to ignore it and people did. iran wasn't ignoring it, they were busy little bee's. unfort the current president sat by and did nothing (giving him the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake) and allowed the removal of several key, albeit less-distinguished characters, dictators that were holding the region in place. Obama and the state dept thought it would make people feel good and like them abroad if they removed the 'bad' guys in the region that the american population knew about (not less popular names like mugabe, etc,) so they let individuals lead regimes that had even worse intentions than the original and who didn't want to work with us even more because they associated us with the past.


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