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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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Good morning folks -

From Doorbert's thread:

ISRAEL: REPORTS THAT IDF IS MOVING AHEAD WITH A GROUND OPERATION IN GAZA.

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 Quoting: ClydeX


The Knessett needs to approve of it, but it sounds like it is a done deal now with deaths and Tel Aviv in range.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Agreed

Also saw a report just a bit ago of rioters (Palestinians) starting fires in Jerusalem, then attacking firefighters - was also on the Doorbert thread.

How long until (either intentionally or not) The Temple is damaged?

And such damage causes it to be unsafe to enter?

Anyone else see this equation?
 Quoting: ClydeX


it was destroyed over 1900 years ago -- do you mean the Al Aqsa mosque? or the Kotel and surrounding plaza?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Yes Swin - the Al Aqsa Mosque, which along with the Dome of the Rock comprise "The Temple Mount"

Just running some lines of thought - if it is heavily damaged and requires re-building, I don't see allowing Islam to build there again, but would, however, essentially set the stage for the Rebuilding of the Temple (the 3rd Temple) on that spot.
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Hamas: Egyptian PM expected to visit Gaza Friday
[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Hamas: Egyptian PM expected to visit Gaza Friday
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 Quoting: MIL MAN


according to the DB thread a larger call up of reservists is expected
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As of yesterday afternoon I'm back at the ME desk. Israel has pretty well completed the list of 100 sites I spoke about a couple of days ago before the escalation. It appears some sort of a countdown has begun...we here are guessing a ground incursion into Gaza, but we don't yet know anything for sure at this point. What ever is going on it doesn't appear that Israel is backing off. There are some other significant things going on in the ME this morning, but not really able to comment on them at this point. We have sent out several SIGNIT's to clients involved in transportation and oil with operations or assets in the ME.
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Morning Gerry.

Suez seems to be one of those tension spots depending on what Egypt decides to do. If Morsi wishes to relive the 1960's and 70's he could shut down the Suez demanding Israel back off.

THe Persian Gulf has been quiet as of late, but Iran could amke the same threat in support of the Palestinians, but they truly are low on the list of allies for Iran.

The Hezbollah so far have been squirming, mostly wishing to avoid entering the event right now, but that could be a card, launch a few missiles from an unknown group.

Syria is the true wildcard. Is Assad dumb enough to use this event as a means of turning the civil war around?

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 Quoting: MIL MAN


We haven't heard much about the Suez this AM, at least nothing has crossed my desk as of yet.
I think Assad would think twice before getting involved with Israel at this point. Israel is primed for a strike anyways and if Assad got into it I think the Israeli's would take the "and fuck you too" attitude and light them up as well and Assad couldn't withstand politically what Israel could bring down upon them right now.
Looks like Israel has set up a forward operating base to possibly use for entering Gaza.

Last Edited by Gerry52 on 11/15/2012 11:19 AM
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An explosion was heard in Tel Aviv.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

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Booms heard in Tel Aviv area following warning siren

Three Israelis killed in Kiryat Malachi; rocket falls in Eshkol wounding 3 IDF soldiers as rockets continue to fall on South; IAF strikes nearly 200 targets in Strip; 15 Palestinians killed in strikes.
[link to www.jpost.com]


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Booms heard in Tel Aviv area following warning siren

Three Israelis killed in Kiryat Malachi; rocket falls in Eshkol wounding 3 IDF soldiers as rockets continue to fall on South; IAF strikes nearly 200 targets in Strip; 15 Palestinians killed in strikes.
[link to www.jpost.com]


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 Quoting: MIL MAN


all over other threads --evidently a rocket hit Holon -- no word on damage or casualties. islamic jihad has claimed responsibility
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Holon -- 6 km from TA, pop around 200 000
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IDF expanding reserve soldier call up

The IDF is preparing for expanding the number of IDF reserves being called into active duties in light of the ongoing escalation on the southern offencive. The move was backed by the political establishment under the instructions of Defense Minister Barak.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Confirmed: Rockets fired at greater Tel Aviv area
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First three Gaza missiles hit Tel Aviv
The first three Palestinian missiles reached the Tel Aviv conurbation, Gush Dan, Thursday night, Nov. 15. shortly after a long-range missile was confirmed to have exploded in Rison Lezion southeast of Tel Aviv and sirens sounded in outlying towns of Holon, Ness Ziona, Gan Raveh and Beer Yacov. None have yet reported casualties or damage. The Tel Aviv telephone network has stopped working. The IDF spokesmen reported that units of the elite paratroop and Givati Brigades were mustering outside the Gaza Strip.
[link to www.debka.com]

Missile Strikes in the Tel Aviv Area; Cell Service Down
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Here comes the ground troops

19:15
Gantz calls meeting of senior IDF leaders over violence



19:01
Gazans fire 3 Grads at Beersheba; Iron Dome intercepts 1


18:54
Islamic Jihad takes responsible for Fajr attack on Tel Aviv


18:40
Two booms heard in Tel Aviv following warning siren


18:21
Palestinians fire 3 rockets into Eshkol; none injured
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IDF expanding reserve soldier call up

Published: 11.15.12, 18:42 / Israel News


The IDF is preparing for expanding the number of IDF reserves being called into active duties in light of the ongoing escalation on the southern offencive. The move was backed by the political establishment under the instructions of Defense Minister Barak. (Yoav Zitun)

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IDF expanding reserve soldier call up

Published: 11.15.12, 18:42 / Israel News


The IDF is preparing for expanding the number of IDF reserves being called into active duties in light of the ongoing escalation on the southern offencive. The move was backed by the political establishment under the instructions of Defense Minister Barak. (Yoav Zitun)

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: Windmill


Gaza is in for unprecedented attack.
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]
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Israeli Armored Units Gathering Outside Gaza

Israeli armored forces gathered, Thursday evening around Gaza. They are awaiting a decision by the political echelon on a ground operation inside the Hamas-controlled area.
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]
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When you play with fire (Hamas playing with Israel) sometimes you burn yourself.
It's exactly what happens now.

the next days won't be beautiful. I expect something dramatic (ground incursion in Gaza means a lot of casualities, especially for people in Gaza. I trust the IDF to be totally prepared for this eventuality...).

Maybe it could also a way to hide the Israeli preparations for a strike on Iran. Who knows... When everyone will be focused on Gaza, they will launch a discret but devastating airstrike on Iran nuclear facilities !

Thanks to all of you for the thread, still reading but as I just move in Estonia to start my new job I don't really have time to expand on the Net.


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any chance this salvo from the gaza is an iranian sponsored practice run, like target practice or something? whats the odds of an iranian air force strike on israel? possibly on dimona reactor, where the drone allegedly flew?
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part of me believes iran wants* gaza to be demolished, so to galvanize support around israels destruction
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When you play with fire (Hamas playing with Israel) sometimes you burn yourself.
It's exactly what happens now.

the next days won't be beautiful. I expect something dramatic (ground incursion in Gaza means a lot of casualities, especially for people in Gaza. I trust the IDF to be totally prepared for this eventuality...).

Maybe it could also a way to hide the Israeli preparations for a strike on Iran. Who knows... When everyone will be focused on Gaza, they will launch a discret but devastating airstrike on Iran nuclear facilities !

Thanks to all of you for the thread, still reading but as I just move in Estonia to start my new job I don't really have time to expand on the Net.


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any chance this salvo from the gaza is an iranian sponsored practice run, like target practice or something? whats the odds of an iranian air force strike on israel? possibly on dimona reactor, where the drone allegedly flew?
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The drone pinned in coordinates possibly, but for rockets not airforce.
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part of me believes iran wants* gaza to be demolished, so to galvanize support around israels destruction
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The ARABS do not care about the Palestinians, but like to use them for their own causes, could be likely the case here.
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PM was in Tel Aviv during rocket attack
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part of me believes iran wants* gaza to be demolished, so to galvanize support around israels destruction
 Quoting: TT 7054089


The ARABS do not care about the Palestinians, but like to use them for their own causes, could be likely the case here.
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Iranians are not Arabs. Different race.
But this could indeed be the trigger that sets the whole region on fire.
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part of me believes iran wants* gaza to be demolished, so to galvanize support around israels destruction
 Quoting: TT 7054089


The ARABS do not care about the Palestinians, but like to use them for their own causes, could be likely the case here.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Iranians are not Arabs. Different race.
But this could indeed be the trigger that sets the whole region on fire.
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Yes, sorry Persians, do not mean to offend you but yes, ARABS and PERSIANS do not care about the Palestinians.
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19:45
Magen David Adom raises alert in Center to highest level





Keep your eyes on the north, FYI.
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apparently the hamas or hezbollah leader is speaking, anyone got anything on this?
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if this conflict is/will be the trigger, both sides already know it and israel will strike iran b4 iran has the chance to rally the region. keep a close eye on those syrian chem weapons... off topic, but as a non prepper, if the strike does occur, being w/o more than 3 days supplies, what is my first move?
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apparently the hamas or hezbollah leader is speaking, anyone got anything on this?
 Quoting: godzilla85


hamas leader -- declares war o israel, remarks that it's a glorious day for martyrdom (not making this up)
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Steve, his family and all of Israel are in my prayers. This situation is getting worse by the hour.

Any ideas on how all this will impact the U.S.men and women in uniform?

I have no idea what to expect from O butt head.
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apparently the hamas or hezbollah leader is speaking, anyone got anything on this?
 Quoting: godzilla85


hamas leader -- declares war o israel, remarks that it's a glorious day for martyrdom (not making this up)
 Quoting: Swinburnian


nasrallah spoke earlier, usual babble, israel's attack will not go unanswered

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