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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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Gov't to OK 75,000 reserves in total
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HOLY SH-T if true!

hiding
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TRUE!

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Yup...it's true...notifications are starting.
I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas!
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FYI. Check out new thread "Russia will side with Egypt".
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eh I don't see it happening unless Egypt jumps in and the US withdrawals all monetary support to Egypt leaving them with a limited aomount of weapons. Could see Russia weaseling in to sell them weapons, but not to get involved directly. Their involvment would spark American involvment

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Very strong earthquake off the coast of the Kuril Islands (Russia)
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Does Morsi has the guts to get involved in Gaza ?
Are the US marines still in Israel ?
Is the mil exercise still on in the strait of Hormuz ?
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


US troops left Israel already (per public news)

Mil Exercise has ended, but some nations are leaving things behind just in case.

Morsi - yes, he is capable of some fireworks.
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Thanks, trying to catch up.
I have the impression we we look at the real thing now. It is about time to kick some ass over there.

Looking at the bright side .... once the arabs including Morsi got a good beating, the deterrence is reestablished for some time.

I just hope, the IDF takes the gloves off this time.

When do you expect boots in Gaza ?
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"Syria might have an interest in a spillover of the conflict into other countries in the region to diffuse interest in the domestic conflict," (NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen)Rasmussen told students at a university in Odense, Denmark, following a talk broadcast on the Internet."

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FYI. Check out new thread "Russia will side with Egypt".
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eh I don't see it happening unless Egypt jumps in and the US withdrawals all monetary support to Egypt leaving them with a limited aomount of weapons. Could see Russia weaseling in to sell them weapons, but not to get involved directly. Their involvment would spark American involvment
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I hope you are right. American involvement...and what that would lead to on our land...scares the crap out of me.
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FYI. Check out new thread "Russia will side with Egypt".
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


eh I don't see it happening unless Egypt jumps in and the US withdrawals all monetary support to Egypt leaving them with a limited aomount of weapons. Could see Russia weaseling in to sell them weapons, but not to get involved directly. Their involvment would spark American involvment
 Quoting: godzilla85


I hope you are right. American involvement...and what that would lead to on our land...scares the crap out of me.
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I don't think the russians would get involved, neither China by the way. This may change in some years time. But right now I cannot see what interest they might have to do it.

Unique time to solve this conflict once and for all.
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Haaretz now confirms, quoting Channel 2 TV in Israel

19:33
Channel 2 reports: 75,000 army reservists will be drafted (Haaretz)

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Up to 16 Batallions were already permitted tob e called up in May.
Six army battalions called up under emergency orders to meet growing threat on Egypt, Syria borders
[link to www.timesofisrael.com]
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in 2002 there was authorization for 30000 reserves as well as during the 2006 battle with Hezbollah - FYI.

siren2
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ohno Looking more serious by the minute. OP you have mail - not urgent.
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Thanks for the information. Situation is the same as yesterday, except another 45,000 soldiers could come into play.
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Does Morsi has the guts to get involved in Gaza ?
Are the US marines still in Israel ?
Is the mil exercise still on in the strait of Hormuz ?
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


US troops left Israel already (per public news)

Mil Exercise has ended, but some nations are leaving things behind just in case.

Morsi - yes, he is capable of some fireworks.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Thanks, trying to catch up.
I have the impression we we look at the real thing now. It is about time to kick some ass over there.

Looking at the bright side .... once the arabs including Morsi got a good beating, the deterrence is reestablished for some time.

I just hope, the IDF takes the gloves off this time.

When do you expect boots in Gaza ?
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Boots are ready in the South. The rest of the call-up is for "all other precautions" at the moment and thus, Israel may wish to kick ass as quick as they can (the Brass wants to) and get out but it may take another 24 hours to ensure "all other precautions" are met also. No surprise if earlier though.
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FYI. Check out new thread "Russia will side with Egypt".
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


eh I don't see it happening unless Egypt jumps in and the US withdrawals all monetary support to Egypt leaving them with a limited aomount of weapons. Could see Russia weaseling in to sell them weapons, but not to get involved directly. Their involvment would spark American involvment
 Quoting: godzilla85


I hope you are right. American involvement...and what that would lead to on our land...scares the crap out of me.
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I don't think the russians would get involved, neither China by the way. This may change in some years time. But right now I cannot see what interest they might have to do it.

Unique time to solve this conflict once and for all.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The topic at lunch was of course the MiddleEast. I see Russia coming into play if Syria and or Iran get a beating, but Russia has little ability to get troops to Egypt in quick fashion and so that would be moot b the time they can act.
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21:15
Rockets launched at Israel from Sinai


21:04
Iron Dome hits Beersheba rocket; another falls in Eshkol


20:57
FM: Arab world's criticism a distraction from its failures


20:47
Liberman: IDF will continue Gaza operation until goals met


20:38
PA President Abbas asks Arab League chief to visit Gaza
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BREAKING: Iran has removed nuclear fuel from reactor core
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Nuclear reprocessing technology was developed to chemically separate and recover fissionable plutonium from irradiated nuclear fuel.[1] Reprocessing serves multiple purposes, whose relative importance has changed over time. Originally reprocessing was used solely to extract plutonium for producing nuclear weapons. With the commercialization of nuclear power, the reprocessed plutonium was recycled back into MOX nuclear fuel for thermal reactors.[2] The reprocessed uranium, which constitutes the bulk of the spent fuel material, can in principle also be re-used as fuel, but that is only economic when uranium prices are high. Finally, a breeder reactor can employ not only the recycled plutonium and uranium in spent fuel, but all the actinides, closing the nuclear fuel cycle and potentially multiplying the energy extracted from natural uranium by about 60 times.[3][4]

Nuclear reprocessing reduces the volume of high-level waste, but by itself does not reduce radioactivity or heat generation and therefore does not eliminate the need for a geological waste repository. Reprocessing has been politically controversial because of the potential to contribute to nuclear proliferation, the potential vulnerability to nuclear terrorism, the political challenges of repository siting (a problem that applies equally to direct disposal of spent fuel), and because of its high cost compared to the once-through fuel cycle.[5] In the United States, the Obama administration stepped back from President Bush's plans for commercial-scale reprocessing and reverted to a program focused on reprocessing-related scientific research.[6] Nuclear fuel reprocessing is performed routinely in Europe, Russia and Japan.


NOT SURE THEY HAVE USED THE RODS SUFFICIENT TO GET PLUTONIUM OR THEY ARE FACING A PROBLEM WITH THE REACTOR.
GOOD FOR ISRAEL TO STRIKE!

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This tells me that Iran is a little worried about this action ending up on their shores. I'd love to know about supertanker traffic right now.
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Morsi: Gaza Operation a 'Blatant Aggression'
"Egypt will not leave Gaza on its own, and what is happening is a blatant aggression against humanity," says Egypt's president.
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]


The problem with Morsi is that now that he is in power, he can feel it. He makes a big statement like this and he receives pats on the back from many in the MidEast and gets a direct phone call from Washington and most likely please hold for the POTUS> Talk is talk, but Egypt has the might to shake up the Middleeast, even if simply shutting down the Suez, moving tanks towards the Sinai, and allowing terror groups to launch missiles into Israel with no stopping them. That alone can cause panic and force Obama to talk kindly to sirael to get things over with. Morsi's paltform has been to take Jeruslam back and if I recall there was talk from the Brotherhood that Israel could be destroyed within 1 year if all arab nations joined in and that was in the last year.
Morsi mouths ‘Amen’ as Egyptian preacher urges ‘Allah, destroy the Jews’
Egyptian TV shows president in fervent prayer as cleric delivers anti-Semitic address

[link to www.timesofisrael.com]
There is more to fear than not.
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Morsi: Gaza Operation a 'Blatant Aggression'
"Egypt will not leave Gaza on its own, and what is happening is a blatant aggression against humanity," says Egypt's president.
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]


The problem with Morsi is that now that he is in power, he can feel it. He makes a big statement like this and he receives pats on the back from many in the MidEast and gets a direct phone call from Washington and most likely please hold for the POTUS> Talk is talk, but Egypt has the might to shake up the Middleeast, even if simply shutting down the Suez, moving tanks towards the Sinai, and allowing terror groups to launch missiles into Israel with no stopping them. That alone can cause panic and force Obama to talk kindly to sirael to get things over with. Morsi's paltform has been to take Jeruslam back and if I recall there was talk from the Brotherhood that Israel could be destroyed within 1 year if all arab nations joined in and that was in the last year.
Morsi mouths ‘Amen’ as Egyptian preacher urges ‘Allah, destroy the Jews’
Egyptian TV shows president in fervent prayer as cleric delivers anti-Semitic address

[link to www.timesofisrael.com]
There is more to fear than not.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


IN CONTINUATION . . . Issues like below will keep happening, like Hezbollah of the past in Lebanon, and Egypt will not shut it down, meaning if Israel dared attack those terror elements, she would be violating the treaty and Egypt could come out of it in a war like fashion.

Report: Sinai terror group claims responsibility for rocket fire
Egyptian newspaper Al-Shorouk reported that a Sinai organization affiliated with al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for firing five rockets from northern Sinai toward Israel on Wednesday. (Roi Kais)
[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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MM, Steve, Gerry, others - what's your gut telling you on this one? The IDF going to go in with a large ground operation or is the call up of 30K reserves just posturing?
 Quoting: Newshunter


With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

sub carrying a n
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eh I don't see it happening unless Egypt jumps in and the US withdrawals all monetary support to Egypt leaving them with a limited aomount of weapons. Could see Russia weaseling in to sell them weapons, but not to get involved directly. Their involvment would spark American involvment
 Quoting: godzilla85


I hope you are right. American involvement...and what that would lead to on our land...scares the crap out of me.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


I don't think the russians would get involved, neither China by the way. This may change in some years time. But right now I cannot see what interest they might have to do it.

Unique time to solve this conflict once and for all.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The topic at lunch was of course the MiddleEast. I see Russia coming into play if Syria and or Iran get a beating, but Russia has little ability to get troops to Egypt in quick fashion and so that would be moot b the time they can act.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


MM - this goes beyond Gaza and Syria/Iran and EGYPT get fired up - this war is not going to end like the 6 day war. The "ownership" of the ME might be changing from West to East.
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MM, Steve, Gerry, others - what's your gut telling you on this one? The IDF going to go in with a large ground operation or is the call up of 30K reserves just posturing?
 Quoting: Newshunter


With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

:sub carrying a n:
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Iran has always made threats as has the Hezbollah that Israel would burn if they attacked Iran or the HEzbollah. That being said, perhaps Iran ahs bought nukes from Pakistan, Soviet junk piles, or North Korea. If so, Iran does have submariens capable of playing the sneak a nuke into Israeli harbors and press button a for "Atom" bomb.
WHAT IS IRAN's ENDGAME?
She wants to delay any possible attack on her nuclear program until it is too late and Iran can declare herself invincible by demonstrating her ability to detonate nukes. Iran has slowed down her nuclear program for a period of time to buy Obama back into office. Iran is now ready to make a dash for the finish line except for one fly in the ointment, Israel. The only nation ready to stop this act is ISrael. Obama wants to use diplomacy and Iran knows how to win that game. Thus, Iran wants to ensure Israel is sufficiently damaged that she has no ability to hit Iran and thus, execute orders for Hamas to up the missile fire, task the Hezbollah to launch their missiles, and ask Assad to do the same. Iran knows Israel may not be destroyed, but keepign Israel preoccupied and damaging her severly, then Iran can win the sprint to the nuclear finish line.
IN THE END . . . then Iran will finish off Israelat a time of her making.

abomb
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Two questions:

1. Where are our Carrier Battle Groups?

2. Tanker traffic off the coast of Iran?
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I hope you are right. American involvement...and what that would lead to on our land...scares the crap out of me.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


I don't think the russians would get involved, neither China by the way. This may change in some years time. But right now I cannot see what interest they might have to do it.

Unique time to solve this conflict once and for all.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The topic at lunch was of course the MiddleEast. I see Russia coming into play if Syria and or Iran get a beating, but Russia has little ability to get troops to Egypt in quick fashion and so that would be moot b the time they can act.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


MM - this goes beyond Gaza and Syria/Iran and EGYPT get fired up - this war is not going to end like the 6 day war. The "ownership" of the ME might be changing from West to East.
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It has already been in the process of changing . . .
Russia and China are the big players in that process, but the biggest player has been the US.
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MM, Steve, Gerry, others - what's your gut telling you on this one? The IDF going to go in with a large ground operation or is the call up of 30K reserves just posturing?
 Quoting: Newshunter


With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

sub carrying a n
 Quoting: DblTapViper


Iran has always made threats as has the Hezbollah that Israel would burn if they attacked Iran or the HEzbollah. That being said, perhaps Iran ahs bought nukes from Pakistan, Soviet junk piles, or North Korea. If so, Iran does have submariens capable of playing the sneak a nuke into Israeli harbors and press button a for "Atom" bomb.
WHAT IS IRAN's ENDGAME?
She wants to delay any possible attack on her nuclear program until it is too late and Iran can declare herself invincible by demonstrating her ability to detonate nukes. Iran has slowed down her nuclear program for a period of time to buy Obama back into office. Iran is now ready to make a dash for the finish line except for one fly in the ointment, Israel. The only nation ready to stop this act is ISrael. Obama wants to use diplomacy and Iran knows how to win that game. Thus, Iran wants to ensure Israel is sufficiently damaged that she has no ability to hit Iran and thus, execute orders for Hamas to up the missile fire, task the Hezbollah to launch their missiles, and ask Assad to do the same. Iran knows Israel may not be destroyed, but keepign Israel preoccupied and damaging her severly, then Iran can win the sprint to the nuclear finish line.
IN THE END . . . then Iran will finish off Israelat a time of her making.

abomb
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So then both side are in a use it or lose it position.

What if Obama WANTS Iran to have the nuke?pennywise
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MM, Steve, Gerry, others - what's your gut telling you on this one? The IDF going to go in with a large ground operation or is the call up of 30K reserves just posturing?
 Quoting: Newshunter


With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

:sub carrying a n:
 Quoting: DblTapViper


Iran has always made threats as has the Hezbollah that Israel would burn if they attacked Iran or the HEzbollah. That being said, perhaps Iran ahs bought nukes from Pakistan, Soviet junk piles, or North Korea. If so, Iran does have submariens capable of playing the sneak a nuke into Israeli harbors and press button a for "Atom" bomb.
WHAT IS IRAN's ENDGAME?
She wants to delay any possible attack on her nuclear program until it is too late and Iran can declare herself invincible by demonstrating her ability to detonate nukes. Iran has slowed down her nuclear program for a period of time to buy Obama back into office. Iran is now ready to make a dash for the finish line except for one fly in the ointment, Israel. The only nation ready to stop this act is ISrael. Obama wants to use diplomacy and Iran knows how to win that game. Thus, Iran wants to ensure Israel is sufficiently damaged that she has no ability to hit Iran and thus, execute orders for Hamas to up the missile fire, task the Hezbollah to launch their missiles, and ask Assad to do the same. Iran knows Israel may not be destroyed, but keepign Israel preoccupied and damaging her severly, then Iran can win the sprint to the nuclear finish line.
IN THE END . . . then Iran will finish off Israelat a time of her making.

abomb
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So then both side are in a use it or lose it position.

What if Obama WANTS Iran to have the nuke?pennywise
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Then he would try his hardest to keep Israel from acting and keep the diplomatic discussions going well past date of expiration, kinda like what he ahs been doing.

oridin
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With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

sub carrying a n
 Quoting: DblTapViper


Iran has always made threats as has the Hezbollah that Israel would burn if they attacked Iran or the HEzbollah. That being said, perhaps Iran ahs bought nukes from Pakistan, Soviet junk piles, or North Korea. If so, Iran does have submariens capable of playing the sneak a nuke into Israeli harbors and press button a for "Atom" bomb.
WHAT IS IRAN's ENDGAME?
She wants to delay any possible attack on her nuclear program until it is too late and Iran can declare herself invincible by demonstrating her ability to detonate nukes. Iran has slowed down her nuclear program for a period of time to buy Obama back into office. Iran is now ready to make a dash for the finish line except for one fly in the ointment, Israel. The only nation ready to stop this act is ISrael. Obama wants to use diplomacy and Iran knows how to win that game. Thus, Iran wants to ensure Israel is sufficiently damaged that she has no ability to hit Iran and thus, execute orders for Hamas to up the missile fire, task the Hezbollah to launch their missiles, and ask Assad to do the same. Iran knows Israel may not be destroyed, but keepign Israel preoccupied and damaging her severly, then Iran can win the sprint to the nuclear finish line.
IN THE END . . . then Iran will finish off Israelat a time of her making.

abomb
 Quoting: MIL MAN


So then both side are in a use it or lose it position.

What if Obama WANTS Iran to have the nuke?pennywise
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Then he would try his hardest to keep Israel from acting and keep the diplomatic discussions going well past date of expiration, kinda like what he ahs been doing.

oridin
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Exactly - my greatest fear is that all the bullshit that comes out of Iran's mouth is what they truly want to do. Hmm, kind of like Hitler, he said it and then did it.
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OPERATION PILLAR OF DEFENSE IN PICTURES

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MM, Steve, Gerry, others - what's your gut telling you on this one? The IDF going to go in with a large ground operation or is the call up of 30K reserves just posturing?
 Quoting: Newshunter


With the additional 75,000 call up - they are setting the foundation for a two front war, if it comes to that. Posturing, no - Obama turned his back for one second and Israel is going to do maximum damage in the shortest period of time. The problem is, everyone involved, I'm thinking Obama, may be pretending to be smarter by two. And then find themselves sitting on Iran's doorstep without knowing/wanting it.

What's Iran's endgame for this war? Do they have the minisubnukes:

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That is my fear.
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I remark, that they need some days to recruit some 75 thousand marines.
Tanks are being carried by trucks to the border, seems there were none before.
And that, while being on high alert.

That needs to be much faster than that. That kind of things make me afraid.

If egypt and syria would just start their engines they have crossed the border while recruits are at schools for sign up.
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If Hamas' terrorists and military infrastructure were based in Canada just north of the USA border, what would Americans expect from their government in the presence of cross-border attacks? Those who believe in freedom from oppression and tyranny must rise up and support Israel's right to defend itself and Her citizens. I pray for Israel, Her citizens and Her brave soldiers, and wish them Godspeed as they take any and all necessary measures to rid themselves of the scourge of Islamic terrorism.

Islam and its minions have murdered, killed, mutilated, tortured and wrongly imprisoned countless of its own sons and daughters in the brief period of modern Israel's existence. For every Muslim death at the hands of Israel, there are thousands of Muslim deaths perpetrated by other Muslims.

Should Mankind endure another million millenium, there could never be another nation so great, so virtuous and Divinely-inspired, and so resplendent with liberty as the United States of America. The USA-Ronald Reagan's Shining City on a Hill!!!
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If Hamas' terrorists and military infrastructure were based in Canada just north of the USA border, what would Americans expect from their government in the presence of cross-border attacks? Those who believe in freedom from oppression and tyranny must rise up and support Israel's right to defend itself and Her citizens. I pray for Israel, Her citizens and Her brave soldiers, and wish them Godspeed as they take any and all necessary measures to rid themselves of the scourge of Islamic terrorism.

Islam and its minions have murdered, killed, mutilated, tortured and wrongly imprisoned countless of its own sons and daughters in the brief period of modern Israel's existence. For every Muslim death at the hands of Israel, there are thousands of Muslim deaths perpetrated by other Muslims.

Should Mankind endure another million millenium, there could never be another nation so great, so virtuous and Divinely-inspired, and so resplendent with liberty as the United States of America. The USA-Ronald Reagan's Shining City on a Hill!!!
 Quoting: American Patriot 27888635


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