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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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Lots going on. Doorbert just posted on a new thread report of Syrian warplane(s) violating Turkish airspace.
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Hezbollah on high alert.

Israel intends to clean Gaza.

Debka has a good analysis about Obama using the Gaza escalation as a way to,force Iran to talk. However, Iran has been pulling the strings, so obviously, she need not talk.
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Further missile rounds Saturday reached the Merhavim and Tamar local councils in the general direction of the reactor. They landed on open ground outside the desert town of Dimona.
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11/17/12, 9:56 AM
Increasingly large and violent protest reported now at the Qalandia checkpoint between Jerusalem and the West Bank. #Gaza
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Further missile rounds Saturday reached the Merhavim and Tamar local councils in the general direction of the reactor. They landed on open ground outside the desert town of Dimona.
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yikes
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Instagram photo reporting to show the Iron Dome system shooting down a rocket over Tel Aviv within the last two hours.

[link to instagram.com]
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Arab foreign ministers meeting in Cairo Saturday are expected to demand that Israel immediately halt its campaign in Gaza, and to discuss sending a delegation of ministers there, an Arab diplomat told AFP.

The pan-Arab body announced on Wednesday its decision to hold emergency talks in response to Israeli air strikes in Gaza, which have killed 40 Gazans and wounded more than 350.

The Arab diplomats "will seek an immediate end to the Israeli aggression and stress their full support for the Gaza Strip," the diplomat said.

Note - Al Ahram is Egyptian state newspaper...

[link to english.ahram.org.eg]
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
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Also they refuse a cease fire and the Whitehouse does not want a ground incursion.
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Also they refuse a cease fire and the Whitehouse does not want a ground incursion.
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let's hope that falls on deaf ears MM. Whitehouse shares as much blame as Hamas if not more for allowing this to escalate to the level it has.
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True. Of course Obama will say, Israel, let us protect you.
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
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Oh no...

Please say it's already been announced & it's some diplomatic move...
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
 Quoting: godzilla85


Oh no...

Please say it's already been announced & it's some diplomatic move...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


And waiting . . .

On other matter Islamic Jihad says the rules of the games have now changed with the missiles on Tel Aviv. Seems to indicate that this Willie a common theme from here on out for any party with a beef with Israel, Just bomb their population centers!
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
 Quoting: godzilla85


Oh no...

Please say it's already been announced & it's some diplomatic move...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


And waiting . . .

On other matter Islamic Jihad says the rules of the games have now changed with the missiles on Tel Aviv. Seems to indicate that this Willie a common theme from here on out for any party with a beef with Israel, Just bomb their population centers!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


This might be it...

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11/17/12, 11:03 AM
MT @Rushdibbc: #Hamas announces Government institutions will open their doors as usual on Sunday, requests all employees to return to work

Announced about 30 minutes ago...
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
 Quoting: godzilla85


Oh no...

Please say it's already been announced & it's some diplomatic move...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


And waiting . . .

On other matter Islamic Jihad says the rules of the games have now changed with the missiles on Tel Aviv. Seems to indicate that this Willie a common theme from here on out for any party with a beef with Israel, Just bomb their population centers!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


eh, I think this surprise thing is a bunch of baloney, only thing for sure right now is that their leadershipe structure is being decimated.
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unconfirmed reports that Hamas will announce a "surprise" in the coming minutes.
 Quoting: godzilla85


Oh no...

Please say it's already been announced & it's some diplomatic move...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


And waiting . . .

On other matter Islamic Jihad says the rules of the games have now changed with the missiles on Tel Aviv. Seems to indicate that this Willie a common theme from here on out for any party with a beef with Israel, Just bomb their population centers!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


This might be it...

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11/17/12, 11:03 AM
MT @Rushdibbc: #Hamas announces Government institutions will open their doors as usual on Sunday, requests all employees to return to work

Announced about 30 minutes ago...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Getting ready for a cease fire?
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doom off???
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Newshunter is psychic...

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:49 AM
#Hamas's leader Khaled Meshaal is meeting Erdogan now in Cairo in the presence of Qatari official ,representative of President Mohamed Morsi

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:50 AM
Senior source in #Hamas told BBC an offer for a ceasefire made by Turkey being studied by the Hamas delegation in #Cairo #Gaza
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Israel succeeds at nothing if they do not go in as rockets will be fired again.
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11/17/12, 11:49 AM
#Hamas's leader Khaled Meshaal is meeting Erdogan now in Cairo in the presence of Qatari official ,representative of President Mohamed Morsi

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:50 AM
Senior source in #Hamas told BBC an offer for a ceasefire made by Turkey being studied by the Hamas delegation in #Cairo #Gaza
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


afro

This isn't done yet, but there is ALOT at stake if Israel goes all the way in. Real risk of escalation beyond the borders and unless they ended up toppling Hamas (which IMO would require a reoccupation) not sure what the upside to Israel would be other than temporarily taking Hamas out of action until they figured out a way to re-arm.
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Hamas PM's office destroyed in air strikes...

Israel accelerated its air offensive in the Gaza Strip overnight into early Saturday and destroyed the offices of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, in what appeared to be an intensifying focus on targeting sites connected to — and leaders of — the militant Islamist movement that rules the coastal territory.

The strikes slowed during the day, as Gaza militants continued to lob rockets across the border into southern Israel. Just before sundown, Hamas said it had shot an Iranian-made Fajr-5 rocket at Tel Aviv, and air raid sirens sounded in the city for the third day in a row. The Israeli military said its newly deployed missile defense battery intercepted the rocket before it landed in the populous coastal city.

Israel offered a brief truce while Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil visited Gaza Friday, but it crumbled quickly as Gaza continued to launch rockets across the border and Israel retaliated with airstrikes.

Haniyeh’s offices, where he met Friday morning with Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil, were reduced to a mound of concrete rubble, in one of what the Israeli military said were 200 airstrikes overnight. The bombing preceded the arrival Saturday morning of a large Tunisian delegation that includes the foreign minister.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

AND - This guy's house destroyed...

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 12:04 PM
Abu Hassan Salah's #Hamas security official house hit by #Israel today 30 injured some are children
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Anyone interested in the current chess game in the Middle East....

I have a couple of threads dealing with other ME hotspots...

There has been a mobilization in Iraqi Kurdistan (Iran is in background)

Thread: WTF - War In Iraqi Kurdistan?

And here's my thread on Jordan protests...(MB is in background)

Thread: Jordan Protests - Game Changer - Moslem Brotherhood TRYING TO SAVE Jordan's King?
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Anyone interested in the current chess game in the Middle East....

I have a couple of threads dealing with other ME hotspots...

There has been a mobilization in Iraqi Kurdistan (Iran is in background)

Thread: WTF - War In Iraqi Kurdistan?

And here's my thread on Jordan protests...(MB is in background)

Thread: Jordan Protests - Game Changer - Moslem Brotherhood TRYING TO SAVE Jordan's King?
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All is coming to the head .... Thanks for the update Darby.
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Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:49 AM
#Hamas's leader Khaled Meshaal is meeting Erdogan now in Cairo in the presence of Qatari official ,representative of President Mohamed Morsi

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:50 AM
Senior source in #Hamas told BBC an offer for a ceasefire made by Turkey being studied by the Hamas delegation in #Cairo #Gaza
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If Israel agrees to a ceasefire right now, she will be seen as the big looser in the arab world, a paper tiger, and all its deterrence is gone.

It should be Hamas loudly crying for a ceasefire.

The result of this opportunity right now should be, that all self esteem and all proudness of any arab around is gone, and they are either dead or sitting on their knees and begging.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:49 AM
#Hamas's leader Khaled Meshaal is meeting Erdogan now in Cairo in the presence of Qatari official ,representative of President Mohamed Morsi

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:50 AM
Senior source in #Hamas told BBC an offer for a ceasefire made by Turkey being studied by the Hamas delegation in #Cairo #Gaza
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


If Israel agrees to a ceasefire right now, she will be seen as the big looser in the arab world, a paper tiger, and all its deterrence is gone.

It should be Hamas loudly crying for a ceasefire.

The result of this opportunity right now should be, that all self esteem and all proudness of any arab around is gone, and they are either dead or sitting on their knees and begging.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Israel is continuing to ready for a ground invasion. They do not appear to be backing down or slowing down. They probably have another 20 or so hours of softening the area with air attacks, then they will send in the D-9's followed by the infantry and tank units...I doubt if the requirements set out by the Israelis for a cease fire will be met. We just don't see the Israelis backing down now, they have spent a lot of time preparing for this exact moment. But then again, it is hard to predict anything, let alone the future!
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#Hamas's leader Khaled Meshaal is meeting Erdogan now in Cairo in the presence of Qatari official ,representative of President Mohamed Morsi

Rushdi Abualouf (@Rushdibbc)
11/17/12, 11:50 AM
Senior source in #Hamas told BBC an offer for a ceasefire made by Turkey being studied by the Hamas delegation in #Cairo #Gaza
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


If Israel agrees to a ceasefire right now, she will be seen as the big looser in the arab world, a paper tiger, and all its deterrence is gone.

It should be Hamas loudly crying for a ceasefire.

The result of this opportunity right now should be, that all self esteem and all proudness of any arab around is gone, and they are either dead or sitting on their knees and begging.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Israel is continuing to ready for a ground invasion. They do not appear to be backing down or slowing down. They probably have another 20 or so hours of softening the area with air attacks, then they will send in the D-9's followed by the infantry and tank units...I doubt if the requirements set out by the Israelis for a cease fire will be met. We just don't see the Israelis backing down now, they have spent a lot of time preparing for this exact moment. But then again, it is hard to predict anything, let alone the future!
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If there is one lesson learned from 2006 it is this:

Take the gloves OFF.
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On other newzz:

Mali military intervention countdown begins

"Malian Prime Minister Cheick Modibo Diarra told AFP on Thursday (November 15th) that action to retake the country's north would take place "very soon", adding a resolution would be in the UN's hands within a week."

[link to magharebia.com]
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On other newzz:

Mali military intervention countdown begins

"Malian Prime Minister Cheick Modibo Diarra told AFP on Thursday (November 15th) that action to retake the country's north would take place "very soon", adding a resolution would be in the UN's hands within a week."

[link to magharebia.com]
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Here's my Mali thread -

Thread: Watch as it Develops - The Staged War Against Islamists in Northern Mali

The first significant clash since June happened yesterday in GAO province near the border w/ Niger... MNLA sustained heavy casualties...
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But then again, it is hard to predict anything, let alone the future!
 Quoting: Gerry52


If there is one lesson learned from 2006 it is this:

Take the gloves OFF.
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It is bigger than that. Israel doesn't mobilize 75 thousand troops just to menace Hamas.

This is the starting block for the Iran war.
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I'm not thinking Iron Dome is that successful...
Would you want to live w/ a 33% success rate?

Alexander Marquardt (@MarquardtA)
11/17/12, 1:48 PM
By the #s, @IDFSpokesperson says 300 strikes today, busiest yet. Around 950 total. 710 rockets fired, 470 landed. Iron Dome = 33% success.

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