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Hey Steve -- hope you don't mind if I tell you that I find the juxtaposition of the psalm and your foul-mouthed tirade and images kind of offensive.
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no matter who the tirade is directed against, i should add
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Didn't mean to offend Swin. Just expressing my true feelings about this "Demon"
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i get that -- just don't think the two things belong together
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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Thanks, Steve! I really appreciate it.
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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Thanks, Steve! I really appreciate it.


I get a little carried away some times!!!

It often happens with Spanish-Jews!
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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Thanks, Steve! I really appreciate it.
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I get a little carried away some times!!!

It often happens with Spanish-Jews!


one of these days i have to hear the background there. you don't find too many jews who speak both yiddish and spanish here in canada.
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How long do you think this "calm" will last Swin.?
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How long do you think this "calm" will last Swin.?
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i think it's over for weeks if not months, unless islamic jihad are aiming at taking over gaza
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tissue I was in tears from Laughing so hard ...C.C
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How long do you think this "calm" will last Swin.?
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i think it's over for weeks if not months, unless islamic jihad are aiming at taking over gaza
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We'll see! I give it less than that, though!
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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Thanks, Steve! I really appreciate it.
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I get a little carried away some times!!!

It often happens with Spanish-Jews!
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one of these days i have to hear the background there. you don't find too many jews who speak both yiddish and spanish here in canada.


Now, if I spoke some French too, well, that would be the compot!!!

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tissue I was in tears from Laughing so hard ...C.C
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Point well made Swin! Post has been edited!!!

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Thanks, Steve! I really appreciate it.
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I get a little carried away some times!!!

It often happens with Spanish-Jews!
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one of these days i have to hear the background there. you don't find too many jews who speak both yiddish and spanish here in canada.
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Now, if I spoke some French too, well, that would be the compot!!!

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Watched thevnew Red Dawn tonight. Go Free America! A good lesson in insurgency. Too bad they edited out the Chinese and made it Nrth Koreans.

Still fun and got the family talking about bugout strategies again.

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Watched thevnew Red Dawn tonight. Go Free America! A good lesson in insurgency. Too bad they edited out the Chinese and made it Nrth Koreans.

Still fun and got the family talking about bugout strategies again.

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So you'd say that it's worth seeing?
The wife was commenting about that just the other day - as she turned on the original.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Watched thevnew Red Dawn tonight. Go Free America! A good lesson in insurgency. Too bad they edited out the Chinese and made it Nrth Koreans.

Still fun and got the family talking about bugout strategies again.

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So you'd say that it's worth seeing?
The wife was commenting about that just the other day - as she turned on the original.
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It was entertaining, good eye candy for the gals per my wife and daughters, i thought good action. If you like action and want to reminisce about the old movie go for it!
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Now that the storm has abated, for now, I will post my pure unfounded speculation. Bibi never intended a ground op. I felt that from day one. I said, there cannot be a ground op. It will leave Israel wide open defensive wise. If there was a ground op, Israel would be waging war against practically the entire Middle East while her ground forces get hammered in a guerrilla war in the strip. Nope. Not gonna happen. Bibi knows who is pulling the strings and it isn't Hamas or Hezbollah. They are only bit players.

Bibi is way smarter than I ever gave him credit for. He didn't take the bait from Iran. He didn't take the bait from O either. Or Hamas. He went in, smacked some ass around and got the hell out. This whole op was to send Iran and Egypt a message. We know the game and we are going to play it on our terms, not yours.

I implore you guys, Don't give up on Bibi yet. This was only the first act. Second act is coming soon.
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Now that the storm has abated, for now, I will post my pure unfounded speculation. Bibi never intended a ground op. I felt that from day one. I said, there cannot be a ground op. It will leave Israel wide open defensive wise. If there was a ground op, Israel would be waging war against practically the entire Middle East while her ground forces get hammered in a guerrilla war in the strip. Nope. Not gonna happen. Bibi knows who is pulling the strings and it isn't Hamas or Hezbollah. They are only bit players.

Bibi is way smarter than I ever gave him credit for. He didn't take the bait from Iran. He didn't take the bait from O either. Or Hamas. He went in, smacked some ass around and got the hell out. This whole op was to send Iran and Egypt a message. We know the game and we are going to play it on our terms, not yours.

I implore you guys, Don't give up on Bibi yet. This was only the first act. Second act is coming soon.
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you could be right, and there's this as well (take for what it's worth)

Command for ground op canceled twice at the last minute

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Hezbollah will have been closely scrutinizing the capabilities of Iron Dome during this latest conflict in Gaza to look for potential vulnerabilities and to conjure up tactics to outwit the system.

Hezbollah’s current array of rockets surpasses in size and sophistication its arsenal of 2006, when the longest range system in its possession was the Zelzal-2, an Iranian 610mm unguided rocket carrying a 600-kilogram warhead with a reach of some 210 kilometers. The Zelzal-2 was not fired in the 2006 war; the largest rocket launched during that conflict was the Syrian-manufactured B302.

Hezbollah reportedly has been trained on the Scud short-range ballistic missile, although there are mixed reports on whether any have been transferred into Lebanon. Other than the Scud, Hezbollah is believed to have acquired the M600, a guided missile manufactured by Syria and based on Iran’s Fateh A-110. The M600 is thought to have a 500-kilogram warhead, a range of 240 kilometers and an ability to strike within 100 to 500 meters of its target.

Unusually for the secretive Syrian military, televised exercises were held in December 2011 and July 2012 to show off Syria’s missile capabilities, including anti-ship, anti-aircraft and surface-to-surface systems. The purpose appears to have been to warn the international community of the risks of a foreign military intervention on behalf of the Syrian opposition.

Of particular interest in the Hezbollah-Israel context was the first public unveiling of the M600, identified by the Syrians as the “Tishreen.” Also shown was the “Maysalun,” the Syrian-engineered version of the Iranian Zelzal-2.

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Now that the storm has abated, for now, I will post my pure unfounded speculation. Bibi never intended a ground op. I felt that from day one. I said, there cannot be a ground op. It will leave Israel wide open defensive wise. If there was a ground op, Israel would be waging war against practically the entire Middle East while her ground forces get hammered in a guerrilla war in the strip. Nope. Not gonna happen. Bibi knows who is pulling the strings and it isn't Hamas or Hezbollah. They are only bit players.

Bibi is way smarter than I ever gave him credit for. He didn't take the bait from Iran. He didn't take the bait from O either. Or Hamas. He went in, smacked some ass around and got the hell out. This whole op was to send Iran and Egypt a message. We know the game and we are going to play it on our terms, not yours.

I implore you guys, Don't give up on Bibi yet. This was only the first act. Second act is coming soon.
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you could be right, and there's this as well (take for what it's worth)

Command for ground op canceled twice at the last minute

[link to translate.google.com]
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There was no way Israel was gonna come out of this looking like a winner. The only thing to do was to mitigate the situation. Go in, take out as much as you can and get out. People don't realize that a ground op would play right into the bad guys hands. Israel goes in, and the world goes nuts. IDF casualties mount, people turn on the government. Do nothing and continue to get hit by rockets. Not to mention, When Iran is ready to rock and roll they can claim any ground war in Gaza as pretext. And guess what, they used the time while Israel was distracted by a ground op to get the bomb. History will look back on this and say that Bibi stalled world war III. Not stopped it, but at least held it off for awhile. Now, when Israel and Iran go at it, and trust me its coming, At least Hamas will still be recovering.
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Some very good analysis.

time will be the author of history, we should know maybe by january.
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Some very good analysis.

time will be the author of history, we should know maybe by january.
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I would say much sooner. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened within the next two weeks. Iran removing the fuel was the sign. The fact that Israel didn't commit to the ground op tells me that Iran is almost there, if not there already. We've got days at most I think.
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Some very good analysis.

time will be the author of history, we should know maybe by january.
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I would say much sooner. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened within the next two weeks. Iran removing the fuel was the sign. The fact that Israel didn't commit to the ground op tells me that Iran is almost there, if not there already. We've got days at most I think.
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Or I could be completely wrong and O has pictures of Bibi in the nude wearing a lady gaga wig.
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Some very good analysis.

time will be the author of history, we should know maybe by january.
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I would say much sooner. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened within the next two weeks. Iran removing the fuel was the sign. The fact that Israel didn't commit to the ground op tells me that Iran is almost there, if not there already. We've got days at most I think.
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Or I could be completely wrong and O has pictures of Bibi in the nude wearing a lady gaga wig.
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Obama is known for that, he got Petreus. Using the Kelly gal to snoop out Generals. Makes you wonder whom else is being set up right now.

I take weeks.
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Don't know if any of you saw this summation by our Buddy Ashton from another thread, but it really is spot on...I might need to hire this kid...

LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anthing conclusively.... preminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that buil=d state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of casualties that Hamas wanted by firing 1000 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Israelis continued on, in fact many were lookinng on like in a soccer match & partying hardy.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles!

4) Iron Doem is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casulaties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome wasn't even designed for intercept exensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US course. So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military-Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome. the C-Music system, the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... but Iran and Hezbollah elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohamma Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence.

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that, but Iran denied it, and there was no HARD proof. Now there IS proof. That is casus belli -----? thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larinjani, thanks for your big mouth.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siego type of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanirt & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they don't hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they avoid the Hamas topic altogether. Tha't big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide Hamas aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....


Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!
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I understand your point Gerry, but I don't share your conviction:

The above is true, if:

1) you accept to live in a perpetual conflict, with on and off wars,
2) accept the murder of your people in these wars and run ups to these war,
3) accept to live in a shifting sand environment, where unintended consequences, new alliances, or just bad luck could endanger the survival of your people.

In that environment there is no conviction to solve a problem, this way or the other, and to go all along to solve this problem.
Rather there is a muddle through thinking, with a constant propaganda of declaring victory and interpreting reality in your favor.

Besides, I don't believe, that the "tradition" or "culture" of your enemies or a region, should influence the way you solve problems or to lead wars.

I rather believe, that if there is a problem and you can't live with it, it needs to be solved.

And if you can't solve it tomorrow early in the morning for once and for all, you need to have a plan to solve it deadline at the end of the week.
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that's just the world, aton. you can choose not to "accept" it, but it'll get you nowhere.
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If I may opine -

I think things stay quiet through the end of December. If Hamas has the capability to and has recovered enough - I bet they rear their ugly heads again in the run-up to the Israeli elections in January. They enjoy being relevant. They have marginalized the PA and Abbas. I bet Hamas casts their vote come January.

Ok. That's my take on Hamas. As for the rest of the primary players in the ME (Israel, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Hezbollah and Egypt) - I'm not sure what to think
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I understand your point Gerry, but I don't share your conviction:

The above is true, if:

1) you accept to live in a perpetual conflict, with on and off wars,
2) accept the murder of your people in these wars and run ups to these war,
3) accept to live in a shifting sand environment, where unintended consequences, new alliances, or just bad luck could endanger the survival of your people.

In that environment there is no conviction to solve a problem, this way or the other, and to go all along to solve this problem.
Rather there is a muddle through thinking, with a constant propaganda of declaring victory and interpreting reality in your favor.

Besides, I don't believe, that the "tradition" or "culture" of your enemies or a region, should influence the way you solve problems or to lead wars.

I rather believe, that if there is a problem and you can't live with it, it needs to be solved.

And if you can't solve it tomorrow early in the morning for once and for all, you need to have a plan to solve it deadline at the end of the week.
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Today Morsi declared himself new Pharao of Egypt, with all powers to control as he, and his muslim brotherhood / salafist movement, decide.

Egypt is going to turn into a sharia led entity, controlled by religious leaders, which are bound for the destruction of Israel.

Morsi's muslim brotherhood / salafist movement = Hamas !
These two organisation are intertwined, one came out of the other.

This is one example of unintended consequences (I talked above) of your own action:

So we are all happy about this ceasefire and the stop of "killing of poor little Gaza babies".
Because the next time it is against a broader Hamas movement, reaching from Gaza city up to the pharao of the pyramids.

So Bibi, have fun with that, I will look forward to you declaring victory when Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are in ashes.
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that's just the world, aton. you can choose not to "accept" it, but it'll get you nowhere.
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Thanks Swin, I hope you are fine hf

I really do not like those leaders, who think they are exceptional persons, untouchable and always right, above all the others, appeasing and understanding and so multicultural, and they all call themselves Chamberlains, just the prononciation changes.


Those guys path the way, for that evil has the place in this world to reign with utter destruction.

Then it takes lots of brave peoples lifes to put that shit back into the box.
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I understand your point Gerry, but I don't share your conviction:

The above is true, if:

1) you accept to live in a perpetual conflict, with on and off wars,
2) accept the murder of your people in these wars and run ups to these war,
3) accept to live in a shifting sand environment, where unintended consequences, new alliances, or just bad luck could endanger the survival of your people.

In that environment there is no conviction to solve a problem, this way or the other, and to go all along to solve this problem.
Rather there is a muddle through thinking, with a constant propaganda of declaring victory and interpreting reality in your favor.

Besides, I don't believe, that the "tradition" or "culture" of your enemies or a region, should influence the way you solve problems or to lead wars.

I rather believe, that if there is a problem and you can't live with it, it needs to be solved.

And if you can't solve it tomorrow early in the morning for once and for all, you need to have a plan to solve it deadline at the end of the week.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Today Morsi declared himself new Pharao of Egypt, with all powers to control as he, and his muslim brotherhood / salafist movement, decide.

Egypt is going to turn into a sharia led entity, controlled by religious leaders, which are bound for the destruction of Israel.

Morsi's muslim brotherhood / salafist movement = Hamas !
These two organisation are intertwined, one came out of the other.

This is one example of unintended consequences (I talked above) of your own action:

So we are all happy about this ceasefire and the stop of "killing of poor little Gaza babies".
Because the next time it is against a broader Hamas movement, reaching from Gaza city up to the pharao of the pyramids.

So Bibi, have fun with that, I will look forward to you declaring victory when Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are in ashes.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


And you know, the Brotherhood said that a cease fire should have never been accepted. The Brotherhood declares that they must work for the destruction of Israel. There are those that say Israel backed off from going into Gaza cause Morsi threatened to go to war. I think Morsi was just not prepared to go last week. Give him a month and he will be ready. This power grab just helps him go to war without needing others to agree also. I will maintain my premise that Bibi has a plan and has always had a plan to save Israel from Iran. That plan worked for phase I without a regional conflagration and preserved a tenuous relationship with all surrounding nations. There is only one or two more phases, the next would be called the diplomatic phase to garner partners against Iran, either you are with us or against us mode. This too is where assets will be moved around again. Phase one was perfect for moving up troops from the reserves. They know where problems were and will fix them. Air raid sirens too were fixed, many were drilled continuously in real time. Rescue Crews got practice. The public is now experienced. Israel has has many months now to reinforce its infrastructure for any long range missiles. Israel is ready. Phase II will move assets around, get holes fixed try to garner friends and determine who may be foes. Then phase III. The real war.
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If I may opine -

I think things stay quiet through the end of December. If Hamas has the capability to and has recovered enough - I bet they rear their ugly heads again in the run-up to the Israeli elections in January. They enjoy being relevant. They have marginalized the PA and Abbas. I bet Hamas casts their vote come January.

Ok. That's my take on Hamas. As for the rest of the primary players in the ME (Israel, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Hezbollah and Egypt) - I'm not sure what to think
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Hamas will now try its hardest to re stock it's missiles but that will take months and require more storage and tunnels. Israel has a few months, but as an old record player war is coming sooner.

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