WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. | |
DblTapViper User ID: 9050718 United States 08/31/2012 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Ok, before I get accused of spamming, the last one: Navy as an instrument of big strategy by Ilya Kramnik Moscow (Voice of Russia) Aug 31, 2012 "Joint Russian-US-Norwegian Northern Eagle-2012 exercises have ended in the Barents Sea. " "At present, the Russian Navy is far behind that of the USSR in the number of ships with good fighting capacity." "The current number of ships is sufficient for performing anti-piracy duty in the Gulf of Aden and for periodical appearance in important parts of the world ocean to demonstrate the Russian flag but keeping ships in areas vitally important for Russia's interests on a permanent basis is beyond Russia's potential so far. Nevertheless, the currently made efforts allow to solve many problems." [link to www.spacewar.com] That, and the exercise going on in Russia, might explain the departure of the russian ships from that syrian harbour, if they departed at all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Do Blue Stars exist? And i figured out, one of his friends used 100 karma points to give him a trial upgrade, becuase I know they don't offer a price for the Silver Star Quoting: fromSouthCarolina I was kidding. How can you find out things like that ? I guess I didn't understand internet up until now, LOL. :LOL1: |
DblTapViper User ID: 9050718 United States 08/31/2012 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. ... Quoting: ^àTOn^ Putin finishing is unfinished business from his first presidency, ... ... or a deal has been struck: Georgia for free hands in Syria ? Or are they practicing for intervention on behalf of the allawites in Syria ? At least the exercise is about to create a safe point on enemy territory and use it to push into enemy territory afterwards; air cover, ships, landing missions, and so on. Interesting .... . For the time being there is no sign of a deal on Syria. Russia and China maintain their position. So I don't think the US would trade Georgia for Syria but if a major war starts in the Middle East then Russia could invade Georgia. It would be fait accompli and the US could be too busy to react. Why is Georgia so important for Russia, that they would risk a confrontation with the US, and the life of their soldiers ? Same as always -- Oil DblTapViper |
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DblTapViper User ID: 9050718 United States 08/31/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Do you care to elaborate? Anonymous Coward User ID: 22945915 Last Edited by DblTapViper on 08/31/2012 04:42 PM DblTapViper |
Vlad Tepes User ID: 4409012 Romania 08/31/2012 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Why is Georgia so important for Russia, that they would risk a confrontation with the US, and the life of their soldiers ? Quoting: ^àTOn^ Georgia is the gateway to Caspian/Central Asian oil that can be imported by the West without that oil transiting Russia. Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Georgia - Oil Politics [link to www.globalsecurity.org] "7 Nov 2011 – Specifically, oil would flow to Georgia's Black Sea ports of Supsa and ... oil from the AIOC's development of the Azeri-Chirag-Gunashli fields, ..." I looks more like a pipeline issue ... . Global chess board, global power play, I guess they'll never learn. Thanks for your answer, I learned something. :JMAZ44.gif: Maybe too late though LOL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Leave him alone, don't feed him with questions, he just clicked on the wrong button, shit happens, then he had to leave a message, thats all. There are people on this earth, who choose to always leave a pile of shit everywhere, even if they were not invited. Would you invite somebody like this to your place and ask him any questions ? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. I think, as long as you have a picture like that: [link to www.marinetraffic.com] there is no war in the making. So, we relax. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. parallel to the hype around syria, iran, hisbollah and friends, there is, among others, one bigger problem for the years to come: [link to www.aljazeera.com] “Food prices rose again sharply, threatening the health and well-being of millions of people,” World Bank President Jim Yong Kim said in a statement on Thursday from the bank’s Washington headquarters. “Africa and the Middle East are particularly vulnerable, but so are people in other countries where the prices of grains have gone up abruptly.” I made a thread, in 2011, concerning this. It was even pinned. Normally my threads disapear within 2 minutes, I couldn't believe it. Anyways, the food prices are going to rise. That doesn't affect me, nor you. In the extreme case you eat a steak less, or pay more for the burger. But, in the countries, like those we are watching on this thread, and others in that region, will be affected and that, very grave. Up to the point that it could get life threatening for any regime or government or who and whatever is on the head of the state. It also affects the rice basket in asia .... . This is no shit, there is a big chance that in large areas on this planet people will be on a diet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. parallel to the hype around syria, iran, hisbollah and friends, there is, among others, one bigger problem for the years to come: Quoting: ^àTOn^ [link to www.aljazeera.com] “Food prices rose again sharply, threatening the health and well-being of millions of people,” World Bank President Jim Yong Kim said in a statement on Thursday from the bank’s Washington headquarters. “Africa and the Middle East are particularly vulnerable, but so are people in other countries where the prices of grains have gone up abruptly.” I made a thread, in 2011, concerning this. It was even pinned. Normally my threads disapear within 2 minutes, I couldn't believe it. Anyways, the food prices are going to rise. That doesn't affect me, nor you. In the extreme case you eat a steak less, or pay more for the burger. But, in the countries, like those we are watching on this thread, and others in that region, will be affected and that, very grave. Up to the point that it could get life threatening for any regime or government or who and whatever is on the head of the state. It also affects the rice basket in asia .... . This is no shit, there is a big chance that in large areas on this planet people will be on a diet. And that will drive politics and for planners today to start planning. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11934995 Canada 08/31/2012 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. parallel to the hype around syria, iran, hisbollah and friends, there is, among others, one bigger problem for the years to come: Quoting: ^àTOn^ [link to www.aljazeera.com] “Food prices rose again sharply, threatening the health and well-being of millions of people,” World Bank President Jim Yong Kim said in a statement on Thursday from the bank’s Washington headquarters. “Africa and the Middle East are particularly vulnerable, but so are people in other countries where the prices of grains have gone up abruptly.” I made a thread, in 2011, concerning this. It was even pinned. Normally my threads disapear within 2 minutes, I couldn't believe it. Anyways, the food prices are going to rise. That doesn't affect me, nor you. In the extreme case you eat a steak less, or pay more for the burger. But, in the countries, like those we are watching on this thread, and others in that region, will be affected and that, very grave. Up to the point that it could get life threatening for any regime or government or who and whatever is on the head of the state. It also affects the rice basket in asia .... . This is no shit, there is a big chance that in large areas on this planet people will be on a diet. And that will drive politics and for planners today to start planning. i dunno -- politicians these days don't tend ot plan all that far in advance |
DblTapViper User ID: 9050718 United States 08/31/2012 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Leave him alone, don't feed him with questions, he just clicked on the wrong button, shit happens, then he had to leave a message, thats all. There are people on this earth, who choose to always leave a pile of shit everywhere, even if they were not invited. Would you invite somebody like this to your place and ask him any questions ? I guess my hope is that he goes crazy and says the stuff we know he wants to say and then MM gives him a quick kick to the butt and we never have to deal with his one liners. DblTapViper |
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Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States 08/31/2012 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. America is filling up with Russian troops, what's with that? montana, minn. , Nevada, hanford... the list goes on... gathered from glp posts mostly. Filling up? As in tens of thousands or a couple of guys at our language schools. As I was taught early on, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see. In the Marines we would occasionally train with a few foreign nationals now and then...like 6-10, not hundreds or even tens. I don't believe America is filling up with Russian troops in any way, shape or form. But then again, I don't believe in fairies or democrats either...just my two cents I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. parallel to the hype around syria, iran, hisbollah and friends, there is, among others, one bigger problem for the years to come: Quoting: ^àTOn^ [link to www.aljazeera.com] “Food prices rose again sharply, threatening the health and well-being of millions of people,” World Bank President Jim Yong Kim said in a statement on Thursday from the bank’s Washington headquarters. “Africa and the Middle East are particularly vulnerable, but so are people in other countries where the prices of grains have gone up abruptly.” I made a thread, in 2011, concerning this. It was even pinned. Normally my threads disapear within 2 minutes, I couldn't believe it. Anyways, the food prices are going to rise. That doesn't affect me, nor you. In the extreme case you eat a steak less, or pay more for the burger. But, in the countries, like those we are watching on this thread, and others in that region, will be affected and that, very grave. Up to the point that it could get life threatening for any regime or government or who and whatever is on the head of the state. It also affects the rice basket in asia .... . This is no shit, there is a big chance that in large areas on this planet people will be on a diet. And that will drive politics and for planners today to start planning. i dunno -- politicians these days don't tend ot plan all that far in advance True, but take egypt: today 6x million people, in 2020 8x million people, no industry, no basics to participate in global trade, no exports, no nothing, no work. What means do they have to handle that ? Prices are going to go up, thats a fact. The question is: Even if there would be the best ever champion president, he cannot handle that. And egypt is even better off than others. I think the prices of basic food, is one of those excelarators, not talked about, because we don't care, but definitly an excelarators. |
D. Bunker 08/31/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. My opinion remains that Israeli concerns will be far more focused and immediate. I maintain my belief that Iran is not the primary short term target of choice for the IDF. I think it is in their interests to remove the 'clear and present danger' of Hezbollah first. While some concern is certainly valid for the NE border as well as their southern border, somewhat diminished in recent days, the primary threat is within Lebanon. Remove it and the card house falls down. Deployments of new systems center around the Hezbollah threat and it is far more doable than a total regional war. Some will believe that attacking Hezbollah must equal a regional conflagration, but I do not believe other states would join the fray if it were a convincing Israeli offensive. The concern then is whether Israel CAN convincingly engage with minimal political fall out and can win. The last round was a draw. Anything short of liquidation of Hezbollah seems outside the norm of Israeli strategy and while boldness is a signature theme, they also normally choose smaller far more executable quick operations that maximize gains and minimize risk. Total war is not a choice I expect them to make. An attack on Iran can only escalate into a wider war that would involve far too much chaos to control. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6823450 United States 08/31/2012 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Despite talk of Iran strike, Israel may be banking on an exit strategy Quoting: ^àTOn^ [link to www.haaretz.com] "There are two key 'exit stations' for Israel to back down on its threat: A meeting between Netanyahu and Obama in September and a joint U.S.-Israeli military exercise in October." Any thoughts from the connected posters among us, if this is serious or not ? Coming from haaretz and knowing the disinformation, not likely. Bibi may not even meet with Obahmah. he may strike earlier. Look at what Obahmah is doing: Report: U.S. scales back joint military exercise with Israel [link to www.haaretz.com] Time Magazine reports number of American troops in mid-October exercise to be cut by two-thirds, in what a senior Israeli official says is a message of mistrust conveyed by Washington. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6823450 United States 08/31/2012 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. My opinion remains that Israeli concerns will be far more focused and immediate. I maintain my belief that Iran is not the primary short term target of choice for the IDF. Quoting: D. Bunker I think it is in their interests to remove the 'clear and present danger' of Hezbollah first. While some concern is certainly valid for the NE border as well as their southern border, somewhat diminished in recent days, the primary threat is within Lebanon. Remove it and the card house falls down. Deployments of new systems center around the Hezbollah threat and it is far more doable than a total regional war. Some will believe that attacking Hezbollah must equal a regional conflagration, but I do not believe other states would join the fray if it were a convincing Israeli offensive. The concern then is whether Israel CAN convincingly engage with minimal political fall out and can win. The last round was a draw. Anything short of liquidation of Hezbollah seems outside the norm of Israeli strategy and while boldness is a signature theme, they also normally choose smaller far more executable quick operations that maximize gains and minimize risk. Total war is not a choice I expect them to make. An attack on Iran can only escalate into a wider war that would involve far too much chaos to control. I have always been a proponent of taking care of the Hezbollah with massive force. If Iran gets into it, more justification for an attack on Iran and perhaps the US would then defend Israel . . . maybe not right now! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. My opinion remains that Israeli concerns will be far more focused and immediate. I maintain my belief that Iran is not the primary short term target of choice for the IDF. Quoting: D. Bunker I think it is in their interests to remove the 'clear and present danger' of Hezbollah first. While some concern is certainly valid for the NE border as well as their southern border, somewhat diminished in recent days, the primary threat is within Lebanon. Remove it and the card house falls down. Deployments of new systems center around the Hezbollah threat and it is far more doable than a total regional war. Some will believe that attacking Hezbollah must equal a regional conflagration, but I do not believe other states would join the fray if it were a convincing Israeli offensive. The concern then is whether Israel CAN convincingly engage with minimal political fall out and can win. The last round was a draw. Anything short of liquidation of Hezbollah seems outside the norm of Israeli strategy and while boldness is a signature theme, they also normally choose smaller far more executable quick operations that maximize gains and minimize risk. Total war is not a choice I expect them to make. An attack on Iran can only escalate into a wider war that would involve far too much chaos to control. I agree with Iran is not the primary short term target of choice for the IDF. But, in that blurr of fighting against Hamas and sinai border terrorists, and with that all out war in Syria, Israel needs to take one thing into account: She will never be jugded the same way as surrounding arab countries. The reason is, that western countries with all their thinking of a stable and peace, ecological and multicultural world, focus on Israel as their own nexus of achievement of their own ideologies and dreams. That is not a problem of Israel neither they are to blame. The blame is on those people denying their own inner politics failures and shifting to "the global reason why they failed". The failure to adjust illusion and ideology to real politics leads always to look for someone else to blame. It was always like that, it seems to be human nature, but there are other people not acting in that manner, but few. In either case, Israel would be very ill advised, to start a war. The leftist are on the rise here, in the US; the fallout could be very bad. Israel needs to be smart, very smart, thinking larger than others, taking decisions accordingly, and she needs to be always 2 steps ahead in military things. Looks like the nuke doesn't do it anymore, there needs to be something else. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6823450 United States 08/31/2012 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. I deleted him above . . . if he shows up again we will banish him form the thread! If irritants come back, save your coments, ignore them and I will rmove them as quick as I can. I have banished one so far. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18746754 France 08/31/2012 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. I deleted him above . . . if he shows up again we will banish him form the thread! If irritants come back, save your coments, ignore them and I will rmove them as quick as I can. I have banished one so far. :Simp2: :Yes: |
Vlad Tepes User ID: 4409012 Romania 08/31/2012 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. True, but take egypt: today 6x million people, in 2020 8x million people, no industry, no basics to participate in global trade, no exports, no nothing, no work. Quoting: ^àTOn^ What means do they have to handle that ? Prices are going to go up, thats a fact. The question is: Even if there would be the best ever champion president, he cannot handle that. And egypt is even better off than others. I think the prices of basic food, is one of those excelarators, not talked about, because we don't care, but definitly an excelarators. Egypt went from 16 million people in 1930s to 80+ million today. A growth of 500% in 80 years. And is projected to reach 100 million by 2025! Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
tmorais User ID: 22822315 Brazil 08/31/2012 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S. Despite talk of Iran strike, Israel may be banking on an exit strategy Quoting: ^àTOn^ [link to www.haaretz.com] "There are two key 'exit stations' for Israel to back down on its threat: A meeting between Netanyahu and Obama in September and a joint U.S.-Israeli military exercise in October." Any thoughts from the connected posters among us, if this is serious or not ? Coming from haaretz and knowing the disinformation, not likely. Bibi may not even meet with Obahmah. he may strike earlier. Look at what Obahmah is doing: Report: U.S. scales back joint military exercise with Israel [link to www.haaretz.com] Time Magazine reports number of American troops in mid-October exercise to be cut by two-thirds, in what a senior Israeli official says is a message of mistrust conveyed by Washington. These attitudes of the U.S. government are catching me by surprise. I did not expect Obama's opposition to the plans of containing Iranian nuclear project would be so strong to the point of change military agreements with Israel. Last Edited by God of X on 08/31/2012 06:40 PM |