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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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After Bibi's speech everyone thinks the timeline has been pushed out until next spring/summer.

There is no way Israel would attack Iran before the US elections.

That is what I'm hearing out in the world and also on a lot of sites.

So of course I fully expect an Israeli attack on Iran to happen right before the US elections!!!

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After Bibi's speech everyone thinks the timeline has been pushed out until next spring/summer.

There is no way Israel would attack Iran before the US elections.

That is what I'm hearing out in the world and also on a lot of sites.

So of course I fully expect an Israeli attack on Iran to happen right before the US elections!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what the do. Cause Iran to think they've got and little more time and then when they blink hit them.
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After Bibi's speech everyone thinks the timeline has been pushed out until next spring/summer.

There is no way Israel would attack Iran before the US elections.

That is what I'm hearing out in the world and also on a lot of sites.

So of course I fully expect an Israeli attack on Iran to happen right before the US elections!!!
 Quoting: Steve5728




I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what the do. Cause Iran to think they've got and little more time and then when they blink hit them.
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IMHO, all the players are just following the script!
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OT - The stuff coming out of Syria is getting stranger & stranger..

Telegraph reports Bashir al-Assad 'betrayed Col Gaddafi to save his Syrian regime'

[link to soc.li]

Excerpt -

French spies operating in Sirte, Gaddafi's last refuge, were able to set a trap for the Libyan dictator after obtaining his satellite telephone number from the Syrian government, they said.

In what would amount to an extraordinary betrayal of one Middle East strongman by another, President Bashar al-Assad sold out his fellow tyrant in an act of self-preservation, a former senior intelligence official in Tripoli told the Daily Telegraph.

With international attention switching from Libya to the mounting horrors in Syria, Mr Assad offered Paris the telephone number in exchange for an easing of French pressure on Damascus, according to Rami El Obeidi.

"In exchange for this information, Assad had obtained a promise of a grace period from the French and less political pressure on the regime – which is what happened," Mr El Obeidi said.

The claims by Mr El Obeidi, the former head of foreign intelligence for the movement that overthrew Gaddafi, followed comments by Mahmoud Jibril, who served as prime minister in the transitional government and now leads one of Libya's largest political parties. He confirmed over the weekend that a foreign intelligence agency was involved in the operation that killed Gaddafi.


UPDATE - Are they just blaming Bashar Assad for revealing something they used techies to find? [link to cpj.org]
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When do pins reset on GLP?
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Tell me GLP, how can you still believe the young Peter that has been crying wolf for the last 20 years?
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The wolf is over-priced gasoline.
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After Bibi's speech everyone thinks the timeline has been pushed out until next spring/summer.

There is no way Israel would attack Iran before the US elections.

That is what I'm hearing out in the world and also on a lot of sites.

So of course I fully expect an Israeli attack on Iran to happen right before the US elections!!!
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Glad to have you active this day, I have been moving my arse for the past few days. Wife does not trust anyone but 1 friend to help move due to the nature of my day job. Do not need gossip, bitching, or complaining, in the end, we are where we are for the next 10 months meanwhile my stash of preps is 30 miles away in storage units. Must now build a new one.

Anyhow, Steve is right, expect the unexpected right now. Just saying.
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In light of Bibi's typically excellence speech at the UN -- the speech, not the cartoon-bomb stunt necessarily..... for some reason I remembered this little address by Ol' Kahane-pants


"Dear World,

I understand that you are upset by us, here in Israel.

Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry.

Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you.

We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.

We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.

For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you)- and have you love us and so, we decided to come home - home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.


Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please.

Having left you and your pogroms and inquisitions and crusades and holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.

Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel.

In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967?

And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state -attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them.

Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.

You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians dream daily of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less."





(At the risk of offending Swin's 'Haaretz' sensibilities, lol, I think it's worth mentioned that it's most likely that Kahane was murdered at Shimon Peres/George HW. orders --- via a classic CIA pasty method. Kahane could have singleheadedly derailed Oslo....)

Be back in a few weeks, yo :)
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Your point?
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"Russia Evacuating Personnel from Tartus Naval Base"

Does it means that intervention in Syria is imminent ?
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With more and more media outlets now reporting Pres Obama being re-elected all but a done deal, is it possible Israel strikes just to throw a monkey wrench into the equation. I think its pretty obvious while Bibi may claim to want to stay out of the US Presidential race, they (Israelis) would much prefer to have Romney in there.
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Hey folks, been keeping myself scarce after an incident prior to the weekend on here when I let someone get under my skin a bit too much and I lost my temper. To those that know me well enough sorry you had to see that and that I exhibited that type of unprofessional behavior on here to begin with, I should know better.

On the ME front nothing new that is making me think something is imminent, then again the quiet is usually never a good sign. I guess we'll see in the next few weeks wether the Israelis will take the initiative and their future into their own hands or wether they will rely on an American administration that at best has shown them nothing but contempt and disregard for their security situation.

That's all for now as usual, I could be and most likely am wrong.
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"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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Hey folks, been keeping myself scarce after an incident prior to the weekend on here when I let someone get under my skin a bit too much and I lost my temper. To those that know me well enough sorry you had to see that and that I exhibited that type of unprofessional behavior on here to begin with, I should know better.

(snip)
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Understood -

This was once the "safe" or "clean" thread here. Seems in the last week or so it has also been inundated with many who are not interested in healthy discussion/ debate, but rather a continuation of the vitriol and some inherent need to spread dissension that thrives on most of the site.

That's why I, as I assume many others as well, have fallen back to reading the thread - sorting through the junk for updates - and just not posting much anymore.

Stay safe 'Zilla.
Gerry, MM, Swin, Steve, Tarf, any the many others who are/ have been a contributory part of this thread - thanks again for both the information as well as the discussion(s) shared.
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[link to www.nowlebanon.com]

Iran is suffering the effects of tough Western economic sanctions curbing access to its reduced oil exports, as the West seeks to force Iran to rein in its nuclear program.

"Iran is increasingly cut off from the global financial system, significant amounts of Iranian oil is also coming off the market," Nuland told journalists.

"The currency is plummeting and firms all over the world are refusing to do business with Iranian companies," she insisted.

"These are the most punishing sanctions we have ever been able to amass as an international community and they are very important for trying to get Iran's attention on the important denuclearization work."

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Prior to the Irak war, irak was softened up by daily airstrikes.

If the sanctions bite, as said above in the article, it is like prior to the irak war.

Iran must know that, every day that passes, the chances of iranian action increases. The situation as is, is not acceptable, cannot be acceptable by any state.

Iran must do something to increase its leverage vis a vis the international comunity. The ball is on their side .... .

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"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
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"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
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A declaration of war???? I'd be interested to know why you think that. Whether they admit it or not I'm fairly certain that most civilised governments, the USA for one, attempt to hack into other country's secure systems / sites etc... without it being perceived as a declaration of war.
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On stratfor:
[link to www.stratfor.com]

French troops are deploying to North Africa, american troops movements to the gulf and Irak. Apparently requested by the iraki government, US counter terrorist units are being deployed into irak.

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Here we are, Iranian rial on the verge of collapse, I think this is the start of something big, I bet on hormuz, real this time.....
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Here we are, Iranian rial on the verge of collapse, I think this is the start of something big, I bet on hormuz, real this time.....
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Thats nothing that an influx of gold backed Yuan can´t fix.
I´d expect the Chinese helping them just because.
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"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
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A declaration of war???? I'd be interested to know why you think that. Whether they admit it or not I'm fairly certain that most civilised governments, the USA for one, attempt to hack into other country's secure systems / sites etc... without it being perceived as a declaration of war.
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Illeagaly downloading music can get you fined, where I live.
Hacking into banks is, where I live, a criminal offense and can get you into jail.

Breaking into the white house intranet and steal nuke codes and / or attack the power grip, is a declaration of war, if done by a state actor. And I guess nobody really believes that chinese hackers are not state conrolled.

Its a rought world out there, and you need to name things by its proper name, if not one chooses to live on delusions.
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"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


A declaration of war???? I'd be interested to know why you think that. Whether they admit it or not I'm fairly certain that most civilised governments, the USA for one, attempt to hack into other country's secure systems / sites etc... without it being perceived as a declaration of war.
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Illeagaly downloading music can get you fined, where I live.
Hacking into banks is, where I live, a criminal offense and can get you into jail.

Breaking into the white house intranet and steal nuke codes and / or attack the power grip, is a declaration of war, if done by a state actor. And I guess nobody really believes that chinese hackers are not state conrolled.

Its a rought world out there, and you need to name things by its proper name, if not one chooses to live on delusions.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


And how can you blindly believe all that they tell you?
As far as you know this could be a setup by the USA to stage a false flag attack. You wouldnt know, the media feeds you with constant lies after all...
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Here we are, Iranian rial on the verge of collapse, I think this is the start of something big, I bet on hormuz, real this time.....
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Thats nothing that an influx of gold backed Yuan can´t fix.
I´d expect the Chinese helping them just because.
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True this, and probably they get help from various countries.

But the fact remains, that the situation is not acceptable for Iran. It cannot be, they are being pushed into a corner.

They need to act, or accept economical collapse and mass uprisings.
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I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


A declaration of war???? I'd be interested to know why you think that. Whether they admit it or not I'm fairly certain that most civilised governments, the USA for one, attempt to hack into other country's secure systems / sites etc... without it being perceived as a declaration of war.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24690695


Illeagaly downloading music can get you fined, where I live.
Hacking into banks is, where I live, a criminal offense and can get you into jail.

Breaking into the white house intranet and steal nuke codes and / or attack the power grip, is a declaration of war, if done by a state actor. And I guess nobody really believes that chinese hackers are not state conrolled.

Its a rought world out there, and you need to name things by its proper name, if not one chooses to live on delusions.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


And how can you blindly believe all that they tell you?
As far as you know this could be a setup by the USA to stage a false flag attack. You wouldnt know, the media feeds you with constant lies after all...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15400092


You are right, thats why I wrote "If that is really true, ... "

After, what you read on the news, you judge it yourself and its probability of being right or wrong. Depending on different things, different people come to different conclusions.

Thats normal.
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OT - Yet Again...

Even though I agree - the situation in the Shia crescent is getting interesting...

Last weekend, I posted on a thread re: Gaddafi's death.... I didn't notice until after I had posted that the thread was entitled "Hero Gaddafi"

Hero??? Really??

I was not happy to see Gaddafi raped, beaten & lynched. I have no issue with the thugs who did that to him facing some rough Libyan justice... But I think people need to look past the YouTube propaganda and remember a few things about the Colonel. I'll keep it brief & stay off the controversial topics...

1) Gaddafi the Internationalist - Gaddafi was a big supported of Black September. The terrorists who slaughtered the Israeli Olympic Team were waiting for a plane to take them to Gaddafi's Libya. Gaddafi was also a supporter of the Provisional IRA. When they launched a bombing campaign across the UK in the 1970s, he bragged that it was "Libyan Bombs" killing the English. Gaddafi also built Islamic learning centers that spread a moderate Sufi-tinged formed of Islam. These centers taught that Christians should be viewed as Moslems who were following an incorrect form of Islam, rather than Kaffirs who should be slaughtered....

2). Gaddafi the African - Gaddafi was a driving force behind the formation of the AU. He launched a satellite that brought inexpensive telecommunications to Africa. He supported the ANC and Nelson Mandela. He also supported Idi Amin and Charles Taylor. If you want to see a accurate depiction of Taylor's drug-addled child-soldier driven reign of terror, watch Dogs of War. In Sudan, former members of Gaddafi's Arab Legion were among the founders/leaders of the Janjaweed, which carried out a genocide in Darfur in the 2000s.

The world is a complex place. Those who occupy the world stage are often complex characters. Gaddafi certainly was....
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I just saw this article today on msn... not sure if folks already addressed this or not... but it is interesting.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]


Its about isreal maybe "going-it-alone" against iran!!!

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Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.
"Russia Evacuating Personnel from Tartus Naval Base"

Does it means that intervention in Syria is imminent ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332784


Relax they say that crap every 2 months
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Re: WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.
"White House sources partly confirmed an alarming report that U.S. government computers -- reportedly including systems used by the military for nuclear commands -- were breached by Chinese hackers."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


I read that, too. If that is really true, it would amount to a declaration of war by China. At least in my eyes.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


A declaration of war???? I'd be interested to know why you think that. Whether they admit it or not I'm fairly certain that most civilised governments, the USA for one, attempt to hack into other country's secure systems / sites etc... without it being perceived as a declaration of war.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24690695


Illeagaly downloading music can get you fined, where I live.
Hacking into banks is, where I live, a criminal offense and can get you into jail.

Breaking into the white house intranet and steal nuke codes and / or attack the power grip, is a declaration of war, if done by a state actor. And I guess nobody really believes that chinese hackers are not state conrolled.

Its a rought world out there, and you need to name things by its proper name, if not one chooses to live on delusions.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^



Well said aton.

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