WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

OT - Syria - FT article on hardships caused by Syrian war..

It is hard now for anyone not to feel the effects of the conflict, whether they are regime supporters whose relatives in the security forces have been killed or the great numbers of people who have seen loyalists of the four-decade old Assad family dictatorship kill, jail or torture family and friends. Government artillery booms out from the Qassioun mountain that looms over Damascus – proof to all, if it were needed, that the regime is prepared to turn parts of the country to rubble to survive. . . .

While significant parts of Damascus still feel peaceful and ordered, with malls offering expensive clothes and coffee to dwindling clienteles, other areas tell a story of ever-expanding destruction. Cars draw a low, spooky hum from highways gouged by tank tracks. . .

Middle East: A second winter of war - FT.com - Analysis [link to on.ft.com]

That's what I think, too. As soon you bomb Fordo you are in a major regional war and in economic disruption.

So think big, don't just bomb Fordo, but topple the mullahs, reduce their military capabilities to zero, and destroy their infrastructure, ah yes don't forget the nuke sites while at it.

Since there will be a regional war, get rid of Assad, Hisbollah, those Sinai al quaidas and hamas at the same time.

Just use this occasion to clean up the ME from all those flag burning islamists, just bomb the shit out of this place.

Mostly under the radar all weekend.

Interesting to note his morning the DeBKA analysis today. Israel bought time on enrichment cause of the Fordo failure.

The bigger problem is now Israell is facing an Iranian army along its border. More worrisome is that this army too is becoming armed with chemical weapons.

Many intelligence reports out there is armies gathering along the Israeli border and that some of these are Iranian and most are Iranian lead. Further, much to say of rumors about other assets being deployed in Syria from Iran including possible missile systems and even aircraft.

Israel's biggest problem is how long to wait before having to defend itself preemptive lay from this threat. Otherwise the threat will come to her.

Aton is right, Israel needs to go whoop ass for its survival.

It's a matter of getting Iran to act in a way that Israel can blame them for starting it. Israel will, by god, finish it.

So is this confirmed about the border and how do i quote peoples other posts?

Last Edited by 4D Viewer on 09/29/2012 10:42 AM

Israel realized if they were to attack Iran that few would back them up. So they are waiting till they are attacked or threatened to the point when America realizes it time to back Israel.

No war in October ?
What about Syria ?
I can't think that we have until spring 2013 to see a major conflagration.
Syria/Hezbollah war will erupt in october no ? What do you think ?
So, Iran too.

Also for me it will not come after the end of 2012. I feel bad for October.

Quit debunking my DOOM!!!

You mean like from the 1,000 stockpile we only moved 10 that by sheer coincidence now make Tel Aviv within range?

No major movement in quantity, but sure a major one in quality or threat.

Every movement of chemical weapons should be considered as a threat. Even when they move some stock around a base.

There are only 2 things to consider with these weapons when they get moved;

a. The current location is unsafe, therefor the integrity of the weapons is unsafe.
response: Act and Intervene.

b. The weapons are re-deployed with a military strategy.
response: Act and Intervene.

Last Edited by Ravan on 09/29/2012 03:31 PM

Check this out!!!!!
Thread: Libyans turning their weapons to Libyan Military.

[link to www.haaretz.com]

"The crew members of a Turkish fighter jet that crashed into the Mediterranean earlier this year survived the impact, only to be later killed by Syria forces following intelligence provided by Russia, the Al Arabiya network reported on Saturday, citing leaked confidential Syrian documents."

I don't know the "Al Arabiya " news network, I got this from Haaretz.

If that is true, then they took the gloves off sometime ago, while we play a kids game.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

Report: Turkish pilots killed by Assad, not crash

Erdogan should now ask for an apology and go to the mosque in istanbul to pray to prophet mo.

Then he should let down his pants to be fucked publicly by Assad.

Because apparently, big words and very hot speeches, don't help in getting some guts.

I'm not too surprised. I've found over the years, if you can catch the first report of an incident, it will have the most truth in it. They came out with too many versions of the story at the time. What I AM surprised at is, they actually let this get out. Good catch.

Al Arabiya is owned by the fat brother-in-law of the fat King of Saudi Arabia....

They have a dog in this fight...

I wouldn't trust a word they say/print/hint unless it is confirmed by another source....

Boy, "they" really want this war, don't they? The propoganda is really flying thick. Just watching the threads today, both sides are laying it on pretty heavy. It's a cold, drizzly day here and I'm not feeling too well so, nothing else to do!

I can't believe the Saud's think their game is going to last forever. I wonder what the next gen will be like...if their people let them come to power.

I don't think they'll be any different -
How old is the next gen - 60s? With the brothers all having a turn before the throne passes to the next generation - you are never going to get "new" (young) blood in...

Unless you depose a entire generation....speaking of bloodless coups...

The Emir of Qatar in his UN address announced that Arab countries had a duty to invade Syria. . . So, it's definitely on... We're just in the calm before the storm...

Well, we will see if that supression of text makes it.

The truth is, and that is reality, the house of saud, the kingdoms of the gulf, are actually those who give money to the terrorists.

That you need to scream out at the highest voice 7/7 days.

How is it possible ?

There are imams, mosques, which are sunni salafist, (salafist is normal for the gulf states, they are the sunni branch salafists), those mosques have money and they pay mercenaries, in order to for example fight in Mali, fight in Afghanistan, for example fight in Lybia, for example fight in Syria, and so on. I know that, in the arab countries, they know that. Why ? Because those people who fight are not even speaking the local language, they are from the gulf, afghanistan, they are not local.

I am a simple being on this earth. I know that.

It must be known to the US agencies and the US president.

It should be comon knowledge, but it is not. We treat our sacred gulf allies with lots of "understanding".

How long did it take, and how much marines did it take, to finally kick the pakistan butt ? FUCK, the responsables are NOT responsable with the life of their own soldiers.

We are in bed with people who are our own enemies. But because it is conveniant, because of oil and other stuff, we keep on hugging our own mortal enemies.

Thats why we have the problems today, and thats why there is the fog, the ambiguity, the fact we cannot say, WHO IS THE ENEMY.

Is it Islam ? NOOOO.

Is it the salafists, the one hijaking islam, the extremist ? YEEES.

Who is giving money to the salafists ? IT IS US ME AND YOU OOOUUUUUUUPS.

There is something very wrong, which goes deeper, and which needs to be clarified and fixed asap.

Besides, DarbyDoom, you are a very smart girl. Certainly, your smile moves mountains.

Economic warfare seems to be working nicely...

Iran's rial dives 6 percent to new record low [link to www.dailystar.com.lb]

I bet things are getting bad for average Iranians - the Republican Guards are all fine - but working people probably have it pretty tough...

I once saw a documentary of th Siege of Leningrad - awful...

People forced to eat dogs, horses and eventually corpses...

One survivor remembered that their was a Communist Party official in her neighborhood...She was fat when the siege started and she remained fat throughout....

So some 4 hundreds of dollars to the muslim brotherhood in egypt, what is the aid to pakistan ? Yeah, the ones hiding OBL, we are paying them, too. Gaza strip, Hamas, on the payroll, Irak, yep paycheck, Gulf states, defenitly on the paycheck, or do they pay for the carriers safing them from Iran ? Paycheck, yes.

But doing all it takes to get a big distance between the only democracy in that area and the country of freedom and democracy.

Looks like a failed politics to me, but maybe I missed something, maybe things are totally different and I am simply wrong. In that case I assume that. But up until now, I do not think that i am wrong in what i say here.

Thank you...

Our alliances are strictly fiscal military contracts, imo.

Overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion last year, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market, valued at $85.3 billion in 2011.

[link to www.socialphy.com]

Thats what I think, too. Economic warfare is working. But what does that mean ?

It means that Iran must seek a way out. On their nuke program they will never make a compromise. What is left ?

War.

Darby, the doc's don't even tell all of the story. When we lived in the NL, we were friends with an elderly couple. They were in the resistance during WWII. The stories they told us would make you want to barf. My aunt grew up in Austria. She was a young girl during the war. With what she and her sister told us, I'm surprised they survived.

The people that are the most smart-ass about wanting war have NO idea what they're wishing for. Too many people think it's just like the video games. I look at the human, spiritual toll that it takes on people.

That is true, and that is very true.

War is never good.

But, there are reasons to take the decision to go to war. Bad reasons and very good reasons.

Again, you are right, war means lost generations, people dying and people traumatised, killing is not in the human nature ....