WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

Bibi is ruined politically if he accepts a ceasefire. He has accomplished nothing with this operation. The rockets still rain down and Hamas will still have them...so he had done all this and gained not one thing. I actually admire Olmert more at this point..at least in Cast Lead he went in on the ground and stopped rocket fire for over a year. The goal was to stop Hamas and their ability to fire rockets....they have actually emboldened them. Israel without a ground operation will not accomplish anything.

Kurds on hunger strike (in Turkish prisons) approach internal organ breakdown.


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The public overwhelmingly agrees with his (Bibi's) actions so far. He will win points from center and left of center if he agrees to ceasefire now. That builds up his party taking from those elements politically that would have the greatest chance of defeating him in the next election. Thus, politically so far so good for him.

The right may not be happy. However, there too could now be an adjustment in the government to create a unity government for Israel's protection even eliminating elections of the center and right decide Israel is in this for the long haul (meaning taking on Iran) and the politicians now realize it.

No matter what, there are efforts to ensure there are traps so that this politically would not end well for him (Bibi) even if he enters an immediate cease fire. All Hamas has to do is launch a few missiles here and there closer to election for Bibi to lose the right of center groups.

I for one think Israel must go in and clean some of the mess again before entering a cease fire as Israel needs a clean slate for the south from missile escalations while the hard stuff gets dealt with (Iran and the north). If he cleans things, he could move some of the Iron Domes to the north.

The good that has come of this, or bad too, the citizens of Israel are now de-sensitized to missile attacks and that is what Israel will face when taking on Iran within months.

Netanyahu: We Are Taking Part in Battle Against Terror

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in a joint statement with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, that "something is now happening that is unmatched in history. We are taking part in the battle against terrorism during which our citizens are under attack."
Netanyahu then turned to Ban and said to him, "The other side does not share our fears for the safety of civilians."

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MK Arden: Israel Not Striving for Ceasefire
Environmental Protection Minister Gilad Arden (Likud), addressed the possibility of a cease-fire Tuesday night, saying, "Israel is not striving for a ceasefire."

"What will the talk of a cease-fire get us?" he asked in an interview with Army Radio, adding "If a missile fell they (Hamas) would say it was an isolated incident. What international guarantees can the world give to residents of the south?"
Arden expects that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will "put pressure on the Egyptians so that the smuggling of arms will stop."

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there is no incentive right now for Israel to ceasefire. Any ceasfire now will be seen as a sign of weakness on their part, Hamas wants it because it's losing and they need to re-arm plain and simple, has nothing to do with what's best for the people. If Hamas was interested in what was good for the people they represent (which they are doing a terrible job of right now) they are the ones that should be groveling and making concessions, not the Israelis in any way,shape, or form.

I hope the Israeli govt and the IDF commanders see it for what it is by the Egyptians and Hamas or the other players, just a ploy for time and some temporary quiet and we'll be back at this in a year or two tops guaranteed. This cycle has to end.

PROBLEM is, Iran will be nuclear by then!

NO CEASE FIRE YET for those of you trying to figure out the diplomatic ball. Seems quite reasonable that israel wants missiles to stop firing and then Israel will stop firing. THis next night's lull is where Egypt is hoping a cease fire will take hold.


Egypt official says Gaza truce talks continuing

CAIRO - Talks between Israelis and Palestinians over a Gaza truce are continuing but the Egyptian mediators are still hopeful a deal can be reached later on Tuesday, an Egyptian official said.

"The talks are still continuing," the official, who declined to be named, told Reuters. He said Egypt was "hopeful" of an agreement later on Tuesday, adding: "We are more hopeful today than yesterday."
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Bennett: Israel Ready to Sit in Shelters so IDF Can Win

Chairman of the Jewish Home, Naftali Bennett, said that "halting the operation without stopping Hamas will place the residents of Israel under more rounds of missiles, leading to casualties and destruction."

"I appeal to Prime Minister Netanyahu, give a command. Israel is demanding an end to the terror, Israel is demanding to go back to school, work, coffee shops - without fear. That's not asking too much. Israel is strong in spirit and is ready to sit in shelters so that the IDF can perform its task," added Bennett.

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Heavy comms near Gaza city...north part...parachute flairs...power off in Gaza...we are hearing mechanized sounds...

Flares could mean some ground work is underway!

Drones are back in the air...sirens on the ground...one of the cameramen just said "fuckin' shit"...

Hearing low flying jets...

May have been a quickie operation to clean out a few areas before the cease fire...hearing more shelling now and drones.

NO GROUND FORCES YET.


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Soldier killed in rocket attack on Eshkol
(19:49 , 11.20.12)

10 rockets fired on Beersheba, 4 intercepted
(19:48 , 11.20.12)

Report: Several Gaza districts lose power
(19:31 , 11.20.12)

J'lem officials: Israel hasn't agreed to any ceasefire deal
(19:28 , 11.20.12)

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Brig-Gen Chen Calls to Turn Operation into War

Brigadier General Amatzia Chen (Patzi) called on Israel's leaders to change the current situation from an operation to an all out war.


In an interview with Arutz 7 he said, "This nonsense we constantly hear from the Prime Minister and his ministers that our objective is to improve deterrence, it's nonsense. Terror does not understand this and the fact is that they continue to use this terrorism against us for thirty years. They took into account that we would carry out such an operation and it just does not scare them. They have defined their ultimate goal which is to conquer the State of Israel, so we need to act accordingly in response."

Nope...we have no indication of the movement of ground troops. The illumination may have been tied to a need by special forces that are on the ground in Gaza. A thought here was that the newest night goggles have the ability to block/ignore very bright light. The older generation would be completely blinded by a flare and would become unusable for quite some time giving the SF guys an advantage for some period of time.

Rocket fire kills civilian;
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Second Israeli Killed Tuesday in Eshkol

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Cleared for publication: An Israeli civilian was killed by a mortar round in the Eshkol Regional Council Tuesday.
Another civilian was seriously injured in the incident and 15 soldiers were lightly wounded. They were evacuated to Soroka Hospital in Beersheba.

Lebanon voices solidarity with Palestine.

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This thread is far better that the pinned soap opera.

I could be way off here, but I really think the real war is on this time.

Do you all remember having an enough is enough moment? I mean the kind when someone/something just got on your very last nerve? If I were in Israel, this would be my moment. They've taken more abuse than any other country for the entire time and longer as a people. I think a trigger happened somewhere and they've reached the end of their patience.

Just my take.

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Speaking with Hilary Clinton !

I reached that point some years ago myself!

Member of Hamas Reports Ceasefire Won't Happen Tonight


A member of the Hamas political bureau, Izat A - Rishq, issued a statement to his Twitter account, saying, "As of now, a cease-fire agreement has not been reached, and it will not happen tonight."
"All options are open, and our people and the resistance are ready for all possibilities" added a - Rishq.

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For Israel, a truce is the worst of all worlds: Tied hands, Hamas unbowed

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PM: We'll do everything necessary to protect our citizens
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This was stated to Hillary Clinton . . . Maybe there will be some hardball going on.

The only winners right now in this Hamas 2012 lovefest is Iran and Syria. The media has avoided Syrian issues like the plague. Assad can do whatever he wants right now. For Iran, she is able to hide undercover and avoid any peep about her nuclear progress. This is all part of the plan of Iran to buy time and then: