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The underlying issue of institutionalized public school mind control and indoctrination for those wanting to turn things around politically.
I have been saturated with all the election frenzy, talking heads on the radio pounding fists with the Republican vs. Democrat dialectic, and all the crying that we've got to turn the country around rally behind "conservatives", Romney, Ron Paul, etc.

I stepped back from the thesis & antithesis dialectic many years ago (refering to the philosopher Hegel). To me the naive hope of changing leadership through the electoral and voting process seems pretty vain in light of the texts public school youth are indoctrinated with.

1. Founding fathers relegated as politically incorrect white men and/or slave owners.

2. Revisionist history on American accomplishments of manifesting destiny and settling the frontier. No I am not justifying atrocities either.

3. The entire historical focus has been revised to that of making everything "fair" or "equal" and utilizing MLK Jr. (Sorry... it wasn't his real birth name) as a platform to promote this view of social equalization and "equality" overwhelmingly in public school text books. Have you read one lately with the "village" mentality?

4. Victimization status, now the new buzzword is "bullying" which can be applied to virtually any category you consider to be intolerant.

5. Collective responsibility for the village instead of individual responsibility. This is somewhat more hidden but laced in the curriculum as well.

Sadly, many veterans, business owners and older pillars of society (landmarks if you will) are passing into the next journey and dimension and the culture left in America is an electorate bent on making everything equal and fair... so no one's feelings get hurt.

With the above in mind, IMHO I don't see any of the political process being turned around without external forces, economic and other sovereign nations intervening as the last beacon of light and liberty, America seemingly prepares for it's death and eventual resurrection.

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JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

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OK... on a lighter note... I think of the Public Television series Sesame Street.

The old shop keeper, Mr. Hooper conveniently died about the mid 1980's and was not recast. Yes he was a white entrepreneur and did not perhaps fit the agenda, more targeted to the inner city youth being baby sat by the TV set.
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My brother was a public school educator who became very disillusioned with the system as a whole.

There is a "hive" mentality. Take "outcome based" education as a model.

The group moves as a whole.

The brightest child moves only as fast as the slowest child.

The hive if you will, is groomed to think alike, sensitivity, no stepping out of line.


This thread is just begging for the Pink Floyd song....
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It is amazing to step back and observe the construct we all see as reality. Even more amazing, is the amount of those who don't see it and rail against those that try to help them see.
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It is amazing to step back and observe the construct we all see as reality. Even more amazing, is the amount of those who don't see it and rail against those that try to help them see.
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I think there are stakeholders such as those with businesses, families and a vision.

There are non stakeholders or zombies... drifting to the next football game, waiting for the EBT card to get recharged at the beginning of the month, etc.

I have tried to help family see and realized I need to find my own happiness and tired of the friction of giving the wakeup call.

I also learned the rule of 5's.... this is roughly paraphraed

Society goes in stages:

1. Oppressive government (ie. Mother Britain 1770's)

2. Throwing off yoke and freedom (rebirth if you will)

3. Bread and circus & economic expansion

4. Apathy and dependence (where we are now)

5. Slavery

then back to 1... or dancing in the forest, growing herbs, etc.

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JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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I agree.

Those with more of a physical/emotional stake in this world don't wish to see the truth.

Good thread man.
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What are the sovereign nations that exist out there today? I really cannot think of any one at all.
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I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water but would encourage stakeholders with a vision to work actively in campaigns for their local sheriff as the highest governing authority in their county.

While the top may be rotton (Babylonian tree cut down) the roots may still give life at a later time.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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What are the sovereign nations that exist out there today? I really cannot think of any one at all.
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True, not sovereign in appearance but my thought is the BRIC nations of Brazil, Russia, India, China as a trading and common currency block.

As true to form, 2012 is the year of the awakening and the breaking away from dependence on the Petro Dollar.

This is one example of an external force working on our present insulated privilege of printing more money at will.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

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I still remember going to a high school reunion some years back. Upon entering into the school I noticed what I can only describe as painted mural mind control shrines.

These were larger than life icon type painted pictures of MLKjr on the wall. Keep in mind MLKjr was larger than life and other white leaders were of a lesser size (subserviant size and position)

The demographics of my school were not congruent with the energy and implanted vision of this political martyr but that energy was plastered on the walls in various regions of the school, almost like a communist picture with certain colors and subliminal communication schemes.

Of course... synchronize this with the text book and you have a false messianic type spiritual painted portrayal on the walls and a historical economic and political deliverer as well.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Pink Floyd said it well.

Keep in mind context. The Wall came out in 1979. The British empire had not completely crumpled. The Welfare state was just rising up with more breeders in the United States.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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Guilt has long been used as a mind tool. It has also been put into the revisionist history text books.

5* Your threads are buried much to soon Chivalry. At least you speak it into the cosmos. There will be a reply.
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Society will need a jump start from localities with a vision. Having elders who know the history and law will help pick up the pieces. I don't see this being fixed in the political arena either.
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Pink Floyd said it well.

Keep in mind context. The Wall came out in 1979. The British empire had not completely crumpled. The Welfare state was just rising up with more breeders in the United States.
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Thank you OP
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The Hegelian dialectic frauds Democrat vs. Republican, Left vs. Right, Conservative vs. Liberal need to be called out.

2012 should be an awakening and a beginning marker transcending the decomposing and rotten political process that has stalled progress for mankind.
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Most truthful and useful thread ever.

Five stars. Bump.
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On average, Americans are mostly fat, stupid polarized and blind. They are sucking on the tits of the beast that feeds them foul addicting food and religion.

The informed few don't have a chance.

The truth hurts!!!
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Most truthful and useful thread ever.

Five stars. Bump.
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Thanks.... I think those outside the system need to work to develop their own curriculum.

Even private schools seem pretty heavily indoctrinated.

I've collected many antique books and God willing some day we will reprint America's heritage for the younger generations that don't know the works their fathers and grandfathers did for them.
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Thanks for the thread, CK. Yes, I notice all of this too, in my children's schools. MLK jr is idolized front and center like some kind of god. It's MLK all year long, all over the place. I make a point of telling my children that although MLK was a good man, the man who did the most for the blacks was Lincoln.

I think the problem has been, that the parents from the old generation, just assumed that THEIR children would be receiving the same education. They are NOT. They are being indoctrinated, so that those parents who do not pay attention, wake up one day when their children graduate, to discover a totally brain-washed, indoctrinated, "hate-america" new citizen of the world.

Parents need to review their children's history and social studies books and do what I've told my children, give them the "rest of the story".
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Thanks for the thread, CK. Yes, I notice all of this too, in my children's schools. MLK jr is idolized front and center like some kind of god. It's MLK all year long, all over the place. I make a point of telling my children that although MLK was a good man, the man who did the most for the blacks was Lincoln.

I think the problem has been, that the parents from the old generation, just assumed that THEIR children would be receiving the same education. They are NOT. They are being indoctrinated, so that those parents who do not pay attention, wake up one day when their children graduate, to discover a totally brain-washed, indoctrinated, "hate-america" new citizen of the world.

Parents need to review their children's history and social studies books and do what I've told my children, give them the "rest of the story".
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I read a recent text and was pretty grieved for my kindred family and how neutered down the texts are.

No amount of talk radio (which is just a venting outlet anyway) can turn things around when the youth are so thoroughly indoctrinated from youth on the mantra of "fairness" and "equalization".
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

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Thanks for the thread, CK. Yes, I notice all of this too, in my children's schools. MLK jr is idolized front and center like some kind of god. It's MLK all year long, all over the place. I make a point of telling my children that although MLK was a good man, the man who did the most for the blacks was Lincoln.

I think the problem has been, that the parents from the old generation, just assumed that THEIR children would be receiving the same education. They are NOT. They are being indoctrinated, so that those parents who do not pay attention, wake up one day when their children graduate, to discover a totally brain-washed, indoctrinated, "hate-america" new citizen of the world.

Parents need to review their children's history and social studies books and do what I've told my children, give them the "rest of the story".
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Yes and I have no doubt the MLK Jr "messiah" image artwork was a deliberate effort to prepare the way for B.H.O. with the beautification of a martyr.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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This could also beg the study of a good thread on Horace Mann, the "father" of Public School education in America in the early 1800's.

He had a pretty good agenda of pushing religious and moral instruction out of the schools which really prepared the way for the secular humanist institutions we have today.

I was shocked to see no good thread dealing with him on GLP.... guess I've got some work to do.
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If you want to know what happened to the Education system just read Charlotte Iserbyt's encyclopia of knowledge, "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" which you can download for free at the website [link to www.deliberatedumbingdown.com]

She covers the entire process over the past hundred+ years who was involved, what they did, and who was involved in the intentional dumbing down of America (and as a result, the entire western world). There's not one inch of doubt left after reading and researching what she presents in her book.


George Carlin's famous routine:

"There's a reason education SUCKS, and it's the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you've got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the REAL owners, now. The REAL owners, the BIG WEALTHY business interests that control things and make all the important decisions -- forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON'T. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU. They own EVERYTHING.

They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations; they've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State houses, the City Halls; they've got the judges in their back pockets, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They gotcha by the BALLS. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying -- lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want -- they want MORE for themselves and less for everybody else. But I'll tell you what they don't want. They DON'T want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking.

They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that, that doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting FUCKED by system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don't want that. You know what they want? They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passably accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they're comin' for your SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it BACK. So they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it.

They'll get it ALL from you sooner or later -- 'cuz they OWN this fuckin' place. It's a big CLUB. And YOU AIN'T IN IT. You and I are NOT IN the big club. By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long, beating you over the in their media telling you what to believe -- what to think -- and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-workin people -- white collar, blue collar -- doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-workin people CONTINUE -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these RICH COCKSUCKERS who don't GIVE a fuck about them. They don't give a fuck about you, they don't GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. T HEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU -- AT ALL. AT ALL. AT ALL. You know? And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care ... that's what the owners count on, the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes every day. Because the owners of this country know the truth -- it's called the American Dream ... 'cuz you have to be asleep to believe it."

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A CHRONOLOGICAL PAPER TRAIL the deliberate dumbing down of america is a chronological history of the past 100+ years of education reform. Each chapter ...

[link to www.deliberatedumbingdown.com]


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5* and good karma for you because you've stated the truth, and attracted some that realize what so few understand as the root of the problem.
Sadly, I've had to deprogram my one and only from his private education.
Even there, free thinking and individuality is discouraged.
I had it out several times with the educators/indoctrinators for unfair discipline that occurred over very petty, unreasonable, non-issue complaints.
Lucky for him I stood up and defended him so the skool didn't succeed in completely weakening his ability to think for himself.
It also taught him to have courage and stand up for what's right, not just lay down because someone has hurt feelings, doesn't like something or is a whining, paranoid, cry baby.
Unfortunately, the conditioning is everywhere in every facet but, it is nice to see there are some of us left that truly see why the country is overflowing with lazy sheep and cow in a police state.

Thanks OP :)
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I personally see the dumbing down as the fulfillment of Mystery Babylon as spoken of explicitly in the book of Revelation (last chapter of the scriptures)

Ancient Babylon was a multicultural society as is the goal and agenda of Mystery Babylon today (which is more secretive and sublime in nature)

It is up to Christians to have a parallel culture and come out of Babylon.

As the scripture exhorts, Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

It is so similar to the generations forgetting the laws and deliverance God gave to Moses and Israel under his leadership.... eventually enslaved to sin.
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It will be up to parents and grandparents to teach the children quietly and secretly perhaps.

I think of the Mike and the Mechanics song, "Silent Running" that came out in the early 1980's....

and yes... "someday sons and daughters will rise up and fight while we stood still!!!"

Or I suppose I could offer the Crosby Stills and Nash song... "Teach your Children".... which talks about "their parent's hell will slowly go by"....

I never understood that until I got older and literally saw the culture falling apart... then I understood.

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

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[link to www.geodesics.org]

Dr. Mark Ludwig delves into the third paradigm.... first being the monarchies of Europe (collapsed with the beast from the sea... likened to the second paradigm which was democracy... the government beast rising from the people) which is now failing.

The third paradigm is that of the New Jerusalem, the crucified lamb and the rulership with the rod of iron and the law.

Interesting how we reject the 10 commandments (simplicity from God if we followed the spirit) and we get the Talmud of infinite laws and loopholes of confusion.
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Comfort zones, anticipation loops, and personal interests

are how you can identify the species of human you are dealing with.
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I wish some one would write a true history book, using all the sides of the issues. From the time the white countries and Spanish countries set foot in this country.

Leave the lies at the door, just state the facts as close as you can get them, from every source, including the people that were here when they arrived. All that was done even the manipulation of the people to look down on their follow man.

I would like this to be in the public square, for everyone to read and pass around, you can get a lot of healing from this kind of book, after the anger subsides.

Be sure to put in the True Constitution Of The United States and why they decided on manifest destiny, which sure wasn't the point when they came.

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