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TSA Swarms Ron Paul's Plane. Demands Bomb Check

 
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Fucking thugs, plain and simple.
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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
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The agents reviewed the pilots' paperwork, but demanded that they be allowed to search the aircraft for explosives. The pilots objected, pointing out that the fuel-laden airplane is an explosive itself.

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The TSA are fucking gestapo tards, and didnt even stop to think about that im sure.
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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
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Why do you think that a disproportionate percentage of them are convicted criminals, usually some kind of pervert/sex offenders?

If they represent everyday folks, then I don't want to be included...
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Can you really blame the TSA? Paultrards seem to represent the psychotic untermensch of society.
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Whatever dude! This IS America, and we DO have the Constitution, ASSHOLE!
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The USC also says "provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" and I don't think there is any reasonable interpretation that doesn't include some level of protecting the people from being blown up by a plane load of crazy murderous fucktards. So I am sure there is a time and a place when the TSA is very justified in searching a plane for explosives, but of course we wouldn't hear about those instances, especially from Ron Paul.

So with that being said, anyone have any clue if that plane itself was suspect for any reason that had zero to do with Ron Paul?....the pilots?....was there any threat to Ron Paul's life?....Don't know do yas...of course not...and I doubt Dr Magoo does either....or isn't saying because this is better drama.
 Quoting: SHR


Checking large airliners that carry hundreds of people for explosives is understandable, but checking a small private plane carrying Ron Paul...that seems totally illogical unless someone had previously threatened to harm him.

But it is quite obvious that the incident was a deliberate attempt to intimidate Mr. Paul. Our country is beyond corrupt and the a-holes in power can use their uniform clad thugs to intimidate any potential opposition.
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I find it interesting that instead of presenting as concern for Mr. and Mrs. Paul, it was done in an offensive fashion.

It isn't like whoever was behind it has never manipulated people into thinking one thing, while the objective was another. LOL
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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
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Nice spin, you could say the same about Auschwitz prison guards. I changed my mind, your spin sucks and so do you!
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Can you really blame the TSA? Paultrards seem to represent the psychotic untermensch of society.
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Ah stfu and go back to sucking german beer through a dick bottle.
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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12339688


Why do you think that a disproportionate percentage of them are convicted criminals, usually some kind of pervert/sex offenders?

If they represent everyday folks, then I don't want to be included...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20669019


Perhaps you should provide documented statistics on your opinion. I refuse to judge people on hearsay in a world of manipulated reality.

Please do not provide your statistics from the same experts that calculated the Libor Rate either.
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Can you really blame the TSA? Paultrards seem to represent the psychotic untermensch of society.
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You are a fucking jackass!!!!! You too stupid to understand the underlying significance.
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
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Nice spin, you could say the same about Auschwitz prison guards. I changed my mind, your spin sucks and so do you!
granny
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Your opinion of me has no relevance in my life, only yours. What you think of others always roosts at home.
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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21662845


We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
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If you really want security, get yourself locked up in prison.
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
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We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Congress defined their job so that non conformist are targeted.

TSA workers are everyday folks like you and me. Trying to do a good job, to get promoted to better provide for their families. They are doing their best to operate within the current system of getting ahead in life. Only problem is the current system of Democrats and Republicans sucks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12339688


Why do you think that a disproportionate percentage of them are convicted criminals, usually some kind of pervert/sex offenders?

If they represent everyday folks, then I don't want to be included...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20669019


I seriously doubt that is true, but if it is?....I would guess it's because it's due to some affirmative type program where convicts are funneled through a jobs "program"...which just illustrates more of the retardedness of govt at the federal level..."Oh we aren't allowed to discriminate and Ex-felons need jobs, plus it makes our stats look better."...
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PUKIES SCARED!!!!! HAHAHAHA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ron Paul, Ron Paul,...........hahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahaha PUKIES are a hoot!!!!! Whenever I need a good laugh,...............I check out what the PUKIES are hallucinating abt. hahahahaah Here's another scary word, PALESTINE, PALESTINE, PALESTINE, PALESTINE, SYRIA, SYRIA...........
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
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We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
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If you really want security, get yourself locked up in prison.
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If you knew even ONE prison guard?....you would realize what an utterly retarded statement that is....but there probably aren't too many on your Mommy's spacebook friends list or playing Dungeons and Dorks, so I doubt you do.

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How do you know this is not 'staged'.
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
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We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
 Quoting: SHR


Ah c'mon SHR......IT IS A PRIVATE JET!!!!!

If it was a commercial jet then yeah, TSA is doing it's job. The TSA has no business in private transportation....unless you want them pulling you over for no concrete reason, searching your car while you are late for a meeting.

Heck, why not have a TSA agent at every street corner. This way when ever anyone looks suspicious they can get searched.

It is that kind of BS I fight against. A Nation born FREE will die w/o freedom.



btw, SHR, I always liked your write ups and you seem to have a solid, reasonable opinion. But this one I must disagree with.

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All still a bunch of gamesmanship by our gov't proving that not even Ron Paul gets a pass if you disagree with the system. It's meant to show us common folk not to get out of line too. A little of it was also to show Ron Paul to STFU but they can knock off so many birds with one stone. The Gov't NEVER gets one bird! They are a better shot than that!

With that being said, you can see how easy it could be if they really wanted to off him. False check, a quick plant of a device and on your way. There is no winning against them, EVER!

As far as the TSA, it's hard for me to find a more degenerate bunch. They look like they all barely got through High School.
Most of them could never graduate the ranks!
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timeoutRon Paul inspires those that have the capacity to comprehend the true meaning of Liberty & Freedom. As he has stated so many times, it's not so much about the person running for President of the United States of America, as it is about their message that is educating others as to what has happened & will continue to happen to our Liberties in America if we fail to act in a united, non-violent & determined manner.

We must not throw in the towel & write off our America as a loss just because the RNC did not play fair with Ron Paul or its own delegates. To give up on the ideas that made America great just because of the RNC’s actions is not an option. Are we just a group of rebellious children eager to give up because we did not get our way? Or, are we a nation of mature adults who have the foresight to realize that our nation must change in order to survive & thrive?

Should we believe that our vote no longer means anything? Will we just lick our wounds & accept defeat? Will we stand idly by while a relatively small group of people take our Liberties away? Have we not understood what Dr. Paul has been so diligently trying to teach us?

We know that our nation is in distress. We are aware that our Liberties are being systematically reduced. As I see it, and of course I could be wrong, we have got to stand up for what is just & right. Are we so divided that there can be no fundamental concept such as Liberty that will unite us?

The issues that face our world are daunting, but we ARE up to the tasks at hand.

We need truthful answers to all of our questions.

1-First, we MUST have a free press. A Press that is both trustworthy, non-biased & presents only verifiable facts. Accurate & truthful information is the best foundation for change.

Currently, we do not have a free press. We must ask ourselves how we can affect any change upon this corporate owned propaganda laden press. The answer is simple. We all know by now what motivates the corporate mindset, MONEY. When millions of people unite with a common goal, they cannot & will not fail. We must all be willing to endure a few minor discomforts without exception.

Did we not learn anything from the Montgomery Bus Boycott? We have the greatest of all power, the power to stop the flow of our money that sustains & grows this Ministry of Propaganda. Just think what would happen if 100 million people sent an email to each major news agency advising them that until they make significant reforms to their biased, inaccurate news reporting practices, we would no longer watch? Then, imagine what would happen if each of those 100 million non-violent protestors wrote another email to each corporate advertiser of these news stations & politely explained that because they funded this “Ministry of Propaganda” with their advertisement dollars, we would no longer be purchasing their products. Of course, we must be willing to stand our ground & stop purchasing their products & if necessary do without or substitute alternatives until they feel the economic consequences of our non-violent behaviors. The effects would be dramatic. Our actions would be felt worldwide.

We, as consumers, have ALL the power, but we must stand united. We have the tools to affect great change. We are the foundation on which their corporate empires are built. We still have the freedom to make a choice; we only need to be inspired via accurate, verifiable & truthful information to make the correct choice.

It’s our choice. Will we standby idly & throw verbal temper tantrums or will we step up to the plate & exercise the real power that we process as a united group? Truth & restoring trust in those we entrust to keep us informed must be restored first. For without truth, there is no justice.
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I admire your optimism, but Americans are too fat, dumb, lazy and brainwashed as a whole. Only 1% of us possess the critical thinking ability necessary to unravel the facade.

Even fewer are able to control their impulses and 'wants' in order to effect the change needed.

I'd say we are cooked, unless you can get 100 million people with mortgages to all stand together.
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Thank you. I remain optimistic, because I consider myself an average human being. I communicate with many people from many different socioeconomic situations & geographical locations. It is hard to ignore our similarities. I feel that if we ever locate the correct environmental medium to exchange our ideas & search for & implement the solutions; our world will reap great benefits.
I am continuously amazed by the fact that we all see the problems & are willing to do just about anything to solve those problems, if we only knew what that “anything” was. So keep the faith, our finest hour may be at hand.
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You just know this is retaliation of Paul's viewpoint of TSA. I would half expect Dr Paul to do a check afterwards to verify TSA didn't plant 1 on him.
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this is a power play by the adminstration [mr.O]...he is signaling to all the other players as to what he can do...watch out folks it is gonna get rought for the next few months...mr. o is gonna escalate in his attack on us...
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No. From what I heard, Congressman Paul's plane was searched because Mitt Romney was in the area and he was a danger to Mr. Romney.
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You just know this is retaliation of Paul's viewpoint of TSA. I would half expect Dr Paul to do a check afterwards to verify TSA didn't plant 1 on him.
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this is a power play by the adminstration [mr.O]...he is signaling to all the other players as to what he can do...watch out folks it is gonna get rought for the next few months...mr. o is gonna escalate in his attack on us...
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No. From what I heard, Congressman Paul's plane was searched because Mitt Romney was in the area and he was a danger to Mr. Romney.
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The Mormon Mafia at work..

Jackie claims bullets were planted in her luggage; listen to her incredible story.
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They want to paint the movement as full of terrists...
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Private plane?? Just how much money does he have?? And how rich has he become since he's been in Congress??
 Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain


Probably chartered...he might own it, but I don't know...he's a multi millionaire so owning a smaller plane is not at all out of the question...last time I checked I believe he was worth around 9 million.

TSA should just have a waiver for private and or private charter aircraft. No explosives check so you're on your own. If it blows up?...Oh well you rolled the dice and lost...they should also do an explosive check for free if you do want one....pretty simple.

I'm sure Ron Paul wouldn't want the plane to be checked for a bomb by the TSA so he just could have signed a waiver of liability and have a nice day.
 Quoting: SHR

Still, SHR.

I don't like living in a world where my security is forced and my liberty expendable. It never occurred to me, that Tuesday in September, that my entire way of life would be turned upside down forever and that I would eventually become just another suspect to be searched, groped, and x-rayed. It's too much fear. I can't live like that and if we continue on this path of reaction instead of action, those that commit acts of terror are the only ones who win.
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Well IMO ther has to be some balance...I know that I for one would not want to fly on any aircraft where there was zero security check on both the aircraft and or the passengers at least at some level.

Do we need to be strip searching the math club from Iowa when they are traveling to Disneyland because they won Mathlympics?....No we don't, but for some stupid ass reason we also aren't allowed to ask Abdula Bin Jihaddin about his travel plans with a one way ticket bought with cash....we gotta treat HIM as if he's a dignitary.

The Age of PC contridicts common sense....you ask ANY rational person who is of the nationality of people who actually have a real history of attacking aircraft, American citizen or not, if they have a problem with any security people asking them a few polite questions and the vast majority will say they have ZERO problem with it...or even expect it and feel more safe that they weren't ignored. They will more likely than not also say that strip searching someones grand mother flying to Kansas from Maine to see the grand kiddies at random is frikkin retarded and serves zero purpose.

When people who want to explode arircraft start recruiting Abigail the Granny to wear underpants bombs?...well we can deal with that when it happens...until then?...we have a pretty good idea of who is more suspect than others and if we could use a little common sense, we'd be more effective, more reasonable and probably a whole more safe and far less invassive to the wrong people.

Typical Federal level one size MUST fit all because we don't want to offend any one group of people...so if we're going to be offenseive?....we'll just offend everyone equally...it's freaking retarded and it's just another reason why the federal govt wastes money and usually fails at whatever they try to "fix" or do.

We shouldn't have to trade Liberty for safety to any degree that the vast majority of Americans would have any problem with it....and we wouldn't if we operated with some common real life real world sense, but the federal govt doesn't or cannot.
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Bravo!! I wish I had your writing skill to say what I think so clearly as you do, SHR.

Common Sense is exactly what is lacking these days! Blanket measures don't work. You are exactly right. The idea of poor Grandma being stripped searched makes my head spin. There has to be a balance. I agree with that most certainly. But I simply can't abide certain things such as seeing children being touched by a stranger and the mom having to stand there and do nothing as her child is screaming "Don't touch me!". We the parents have told our children that strangers shouldn't be touching them in certain ways. It's too confusing for the wee ones and how the hell is a child a threat? We always used profiling before even if it wasn't talked about. It worked and worked well. Now we have all of this "No person left behind" and "don't upset the group of folks most likely to want to do harm!" PC crap and the world has gone completely to shit!
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timeoutRon Paul inspires those that have the capacity to comprehend the true meaning of Liberty & Freedom. As he has stated so many times, it's not so much about the person running for President of the United States of America, as it is about their message that is educating others as to what has happened & will continue to happen to our Liberties in America if we fail to act in a united, non-violent & determined manner.

We must not throw in the towel & write off our America as a loss just because the RNC did not play fair with Ron Paul or its own delegates. To give up on the ideas that made America great just because of the RNC’s actions is not an option. Are we just a group of rebellious children eager to give up because we did not get our way? Or, are we a nation of mature adults who have the foresight to realize that our nation must change in order to survive & thrive?

Should we believe that our vote no longer means anything? Will we just lick our wounds & accept defeat? Will we stand idly by while a relatively small group of people take our Liberties away? Have we not understood what Dr. Paul has been so diligently trying to teach us?

We know that our nation is in distress. We are aware that our Liberties are being systematically reduced. As I see it, and of course I could be wrong, we have got to stand up for what is just & right. Are we so divided that there can be no fundamental concept such as Liberty that will unite us?

The issues that face our world are daunting, but we ARE up to the tasks at hand.

We need truthful answers to all of our questions.

1-First, we MUST have a free press. A Press that is both trustworthy, non-biased & presents only verifiable facts. Accurate & truthful information is the best foundation for change.

Currently, we do not have a free press. We must ask ourselves how we can affect any change upon this corporate owned propaganda laden press. The answer is simple. We all know by now what motivates the corporate mindset, MONEY. When millions of people unite with a common goal, they cannot & will not fail. We must all be willing to endure a few minor discomforts without exception.

Did we not learn anything from the Montgomery Bus Boycott? We have the greatest of all power, the power to stop the flow of our money that sustains & grows this Ministry of Propaganda. Just think what would happen if 100 million people sent an email to each major news agency advising them that until they make significant reforms to their biased, inaccurate news reporting practices, we would no longer watch? Then, imagine what would happen if each of those 100 million non-violent protestors wrote another email to each corporate advertiser of these news stations & politely explained that because they funded this “Ministry of Propaganda” with their advertisement dollars, we would no longer be purchasing their products. Of course, we must be willing to stand our ground & stop purchasing their products & if necessary do without or substitute alternatives until they feel the economic consequences of our non-violent behaviors. The effects would be dramatic. Our actions would be felt worldwide.

We, as consumers, have ALL the power, but we must stand united. We have the tools to affect great change. We are the foundation on which their corporate empires are built. We still have the freedom to make a choice; we only need to be inspired via accurate, verifiable & truthful information to make the correct choice.

It’s our choice. Will we standby idly & throw verbal temper tantrums or will we step up to the plate & exercise the real power that we process as a united group? Truth & restoring trust in those we entrust to keep us informed must be restored first. For without truth, there is no justice.
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This is an excellent post. I added you to my buddy list so I wouldn't forget your nick. Will be looking for more posts from you. I like that you are optimistic. If we stop being so, we lose by default.
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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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How do you know it actually happened is a better question.
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We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
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Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
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Ah c'mon SHR......IT IS A PRIVATE JET!!!!!

If it was a commercial jet then yeah, TSA is doing it's job. The TSA has no business in private transportation....unless you want them pulling you over for no concrete reason, searching your car while you are late for a meeting.

Heck, why not have a TSA agent at every street corner. This way when ever anyone looks suspicious they can get searched.

It is that kind of BS I fight against. A Nation born FREE will die w/o freedom.



btw, SHR, I always liked your write ups and you seem to have a solid, reasonable opinion. But this one I must disagree with.
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First of all I doubt it was a "Jet", but maybe it was, they are hugely expensive to charter, much less own. I would also guess no matter what it was it wasn't owned by Ron Paul, so it was a commercially chartered flight even though it's classed as a "private aircraft".

Aircraft are not in the class of a passenger vehicle, far more capibility and far more potential to do damage to anything or anyone. It's why there is a different licensing, FAA specs and maintence procedures required, etc etc. Flying is also not a god given right, just like driving isn't and just like driving, there are different classes of vehicles and requirements to operate them, just like there is for aircraft.

Really it's all very silly and Ron Paul is just being the massive drama queen he is. He is always squealing that's it's all about ME because it's ME and not only didn't the TSA bother to check once he bitched?...no one knows what reason if any there was to check. He is a national political figure, but hey, if he wants to pretend that national political figures live a candy coated vacuum and are never under any threat whatsoever?...then that's his choice, and it seems like the TSA let him make it, hopefully if he ever does board an aircraft with a bomb on it that bomb explodes over some unpopulated area and doesn't kill anyone else, if it did?...oh well fuck them as long Dr magoo got to have his libutty, I'm sure someone will give a nice rah rah Dr Phul speech at those people funerals.

There's also a huge difference between driving a Ford Fiesta to some office and flying a 400mph aircraft at 30,000 ft covering a few states in a matter of hours. Just like there's a difference between operating a 53 ft long 60,000 lb articulated big rig down the road...which the DOT regulates.

Like I said, as long as there is some common sense applied I have no problem with some level of security and sanity being maintained, after all we are paying these nimrods to do just that and as I said, it is a constutional mandate that the federal govt maintains some level of safety for the general welfare of this country and we the people.....it really shouldn't be that difficult, but of course it mostly is, because apparently no one in charge can legislate any level of common sense, and that would include Ron Paul who has never been able to accomplish even a single second of that in all his decades soaking up time, money and space in congress.

Hopefully that was a one way flight in the opposite direction of DC because if he cannot find some sort of rational balance between bitching like a school gurl drama queen and having G5 "privately owned and operated" missile bombs flying all over the place?...he doesn't deserve to be there...oh wait he's not, didn't and couldn't...maybe that's why...
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We know it actually happened because one of Rep. Paul's aides took out a video camera and began taping when they began to harass Ms Paul from what I heard on a radio talk show that we cannot mention on this forum.

What I want to know is why didn't they guard RP's plane if they were so darn worried about someone planting a bomb!

This sinks! It was just plain out and out harassment.

The TSA doesn't know a good man when they are looking him in the face; or, patting him down as the case may be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273076


Oh well that PROVES it right there...

If I were the TSA guy who was there?...I would've just said something like this, "Well we have a general non-specific threat of explosives being planted on this class of aircraft in this general region, but since it's YOU flying on this one, and I'm sure you don't us wasting money, infirnging on you libutty or even existing, we'll just let you go right through without checking for anything. Harry pull the bomb sniffing dogs off the runway, drop the check out on the aircraft, flight crew and ground personel for this one. Have a nice flight with your family sir and see ya in the funny papers."

See how Dr drama would react to THAT...
 Quoting: SHR


Ah c'mon SHR......IT IS A PRIVATE JET!!!!!

If it was a commercial jet then yeah, TSA is doing it's job. The TSA has no business in private transportation....unless you want them pulling you over for no concrete reason, searching your car while you are late for a meeting.

Heck, why not have a TSA agent at every street corner. This way when ever anyone looks suspicious they can get searched.

It is that kind of BS I fight against. A Nation born FREE will die w/o freedom.



btw, SHR, I always liked your write ups and you seem to have a solid, reasonable opinion. But this one I must disagree with.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


First of all I doubt it was a "Jet", but maybe it was, they are hugely expensive to charter, much less own. I would also guess no matter what it was it wasn't owned by Ron Paul, so it was a commercially chartered flight even though it's classed as a "private aircraft".

Aircraft are not in the class of a passenger vehicle, far more capibility and far more potential to do damage to anything or anyone. It's why there is a different licensing, FAA specs and maintence procedures required, etc etc. Flying is also not a god given right, just like driving isn't and just like driving, there are different classes of vehicles and requirements to operate them, just like there is for aircraft.

Really it's all very silly and Ron Paul is just being the massive drama queen he is. He is always squealing that's it's all about ME because it's ME and not only didn't the TSA bother to check once he bitched?...no one knows what reason if any there was to check. He is a national political figure, but hey, if he wants to pretend that national political figures live a candy coated vacuum and are never under any threat whatsoever?...then that's his choice, and it seems like the TSA let him make it, hopefully if he ever does board an aircraft with a bomb on it that bomb explodes over some unpopulated area and doesn't kill anyone else, if it did?...oh well fuck them as long Dr magoo got to have his libutty, I'm sure someone will give a nice rah rah Dr Phul speech at those people funerals.

There's also a huge difference between driving a Ford Fiesta to some office and flying a 400mph aircraft at 30,000 ft covering a few states in a matter of hours. Just like there's a difference between operating a 53 ft long 60,000 lb articulated big rig down the road...which the DOT regulates.

Like I said, as long as there is some common sense applied I have no problem with some level of security and sanity being maintained, after all we are paying these nimrods to do just that and as I said, it is a constutional mandate that the federal govt maintains some level of safety for the general welfare of this country and we the people.....it really shouldn't be that difficult, but of course it mostly is, because apparently no one in charge can legislate any level of common sense, and that would include Ron Paul who has never been able to accomplish even a single second of that in all his decades soaking up time, money and space in congress.

Hopefully that was a one way flight in the opposite direction of DC because if he cannot find some sort of rational balance between bitching like a school gurl drama queen and having G5 "privately owned and operated" missile bombs flying all over the place?...he doesn't deserve to be there...oh wait he's not, didn't and couldn't...maybe that's why...
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Ron Paul "a massive drama queen"? That's a new one on me.
You also might want to revisit the general welfare clause. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Please God, let Ron Paul introduce some successful anti TSA legislation before he leaves.