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2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them

 
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2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
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Justin Barnhart

Age: 2
Beaver Valley, Pennsylvania


Died (untreated Wilm's tumor)
September 1981
Justin's parents belonged to Faith Tabernacle. They withheld medical care for his abdominal tumor until grew larger than a volleyball. Caught early, this type of tumor is curable 90% of the time.

Allyson N. Bergmann

Age: 9 months
South Bend, Indiana


Died (untreated bacterial meningitis)
June 7, 1984
Allyson contracted a disease that is medically treatable. Her parents belong to Faith Assembly, which rejects medical care in favor of prayer.

Michael David Boehmer

Age: 4 days
Lake City, Florida


Died
March 15, 1990
Michael suffered a hemorrhage, and lost at least a quarter of his blood. His parents put cotton in his nose and prayed for him. The medical examiner later said he had a 90% survival chance if he had just been given a Vitamin K shot.

Harrison Johnson

Age: 2
Tampa, Florida


Died (untreated wasp stings)
1998
Harrison was stung by wasps while his family was visiting church friends. They prayed over the boy but did not seek medical help because they believe doctors practice witchcraft. When an EMT was called 7 hours later, the boy was beyond help
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Dont worry its not just you bibletards

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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
You just don't understand, they would have died even if they went to the doctor. It was god's plan. He/it/she decides you're goona die, you die!

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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a whole world of people whos ancesters would still be alive if they did pray: Exodus
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Here is a fun one

Age: 25
Hayden, Idaho


Self-amputated hand
January 5, 2008
This man saw a mark on his hand he hadn't seen before. Based on Matthew 5:30 and Revelations 14:9, he decided to cut off his own hand and microwave it.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
so is this one-sided or are you also going to post how many are killed every year by doctors?
and also, prescription medications prescribed by doctors?
it's a lot more than a few thousand
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
so is this one-sided or are you also going to post how many are killed every year by doctors?
and also, prescription medications prescribed by doctors?
it's a lot more than a few thousand
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If this was one sided the other option would be 'people who would still be alive if they prayed rather than going to the doctor' asshat.
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a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
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and that somehow makes it RIGHT?

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religious extremists, no matter what denomination, are ALL fucking retards!
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09/01/2012 06:21 PM
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Umm I am Christian and I would go to the doctor and ask for prayer while I was geting worked on. Not all Christians are dumb.
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Have you given any thought to the statistics of those who died BECAUSE they went to the doctor? I can tell you for a fact that my mother was one of them!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Here is a fun one

Age: 25
Hayden, Idaho


Self-amputated hand
January 5, 2008
This man saw a mark on his hand he hadn't seen before. Based on Matthew 5:30 and Revelations 14:9, he decided to cut off his own hand and microwave it.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
They werent praying hard enough, everyone knows that. Thats why their family members died...
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Darwin at work but they don't believe in Darwin do they?
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Have you given any thought to the statistics of those who died BECAUSE they went to the doctor? I can tell you for a fact that my mother was one of them!
 Quoting: Ozicell


Another bibletard who doesnt understand the statement. The opposite would be how many people would be alive if they prayed instead of going to the doctor. I bet you prayed for your mother and god/jesus ignored you.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
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^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
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^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
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Show me how many people were cured by prayer?
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17858859


^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17858859


^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


If only you had prayed that you wouldnt post the same thing twice and 4 minutes apart, asshat.
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Re: 2,370 people who would still be alive if they went to the doctor instead of their families praying for them
Millions upon millions would still be alive or have lived longer hadnt they went to a hospital and had a bad reaction to a drug or were given the wrong one or too much, or because of malpractice etc.

There are thousands of people who die BECAUSE they wear a seatbelt in the car.

i.e Your health is not a guarantee based on your decision to go to the hospital.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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... ^^^

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17858859


^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Show me how many people were cured by prayer?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


Oops, posted twice. I never said people are cured by prayer.

However, why not do your own research on mind over matter? There have been instances where people dissolve their diseases, such as cancer, through belief and thought. No, I will not research to find this for you. It's a beautiful day and I am about to go out!
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Then again if they DID go see a doctor they could be among the 98,000 people killed every year due to preventable medical errors...
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a lot more people die by going to the dr you twit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17858859


^ This

Although I'm sure there are those who may have died by not going to the doctor, pretty much the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is medication and treatment taken as prescribed by doctors.

Your chances of survival are Far higher keeping away from doctors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Show me how many people were cured by prayer?
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


Oops, posted twice. I never said people are cured by prayer.

However, why not do your own research on mind over matter? There have been instances where people dissolve their diseases, such as cancer, through belief and thought. No, I will not research to find this for you. It's a beautiful day and I am about to go out!
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No they havent, we both know that and we both know it is a pile of crap, the difference is you making an excuse and not backing up your horseshit claims.
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80% of people die in hospital.
Stay out and immortality is yours.
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Then again if they DID go see a doctor they could be among the 98,000 people killed every year due to preventable medical errors...
[link to 98000reasons.org]
 Quoting: SuperManny


Not one of those people could have been saved by prayer though.
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Have you given any thought to the statistics of those who died BECAUSE they went to the doctor? I can tell you for a fact that my mother was one of them!
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The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.
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Have you given any thought to the statistics of those who died BECAUSE they went to the doctor? I can tell you for a fact that my mother was one of them!
 Quoting: Ozicell


The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23002579


How many were cured by prayer and prayer alone?
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If you are going to present some data that panders to your personal distain for religion how about also looking at the other side of he issue.

Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death

The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be the third leading cause of death in the United States.

[link to www.cancure.org]

In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year USA

An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 -----unnecessary surgery 8
7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals 9
20,000 ----other errors in hospitals 10
80,000 ----infections in hospitals 10
106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs 2
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

[link to www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com]

The American Medical System Is The Leading Cause Of Death And Injury In The United States

A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. (1) Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC , in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.

The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. (3) The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. (4) The total number of iatrogenic [induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures] deaths is 783,936.

[link to www.ourcivilisation.com]

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