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270,000,000 Vegetarians in the world...Thank God the world is changing to think of all Gods Creatures

 
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Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist

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Evidence of Humans as Omnivores
Archeological Record


As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.

Cell Types

Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.

Fermenting Vats

Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.

Jaws

Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

Salivary Glands


These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.

Intestines

Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.

Conclusion

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

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It's up to the individual what they eat, but whenever this topic comes up, the way people go about making their case is so ridiculous.

Comparing eating plants to eating animals is totally nonsensical. If you prune a plant properly it will grow bigger, stronger and healthier than before, it can prolong its life, and help it propagate itself better.

What would happen if you tried to cut bits off an animal? It may bleed to death, and unless you're a certified vivisectionist in a lab, you're probably gonna get arrested for cruelty, and rightly so.

If you take a fruit, or piece of veg, like a carrot top, and remove it from the main body, you can grow a new plant(amazing really)

Try cutting off a bit of an animal and burying it. (don't actually try, you'll probably get arrested) See the new animal growing happily there, right alongside the healthy parent animal? No, you don't.

You have a right to eat what you like, nobody can tell you what to eat. Stick up for your rights by all means, but stop using this stupid comparison because it makes you look like a fool.
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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You really think you were supposed to eat meat??
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The meat industry is evil. PERIOD...

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Watch Earthlings.com free to watch and change our world for the better.

The meat industry is a horrible evil!!! No one should be eating meat especially if one believes in God..
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...so if it can't run away, devour it...disgusting....
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proof of evil...

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The meat industry is evil. PERIOD...

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Agreed. It's so far removed from the concept of "natural" that its unrecognizable. There was a thread a while back about whether people would eat "lab grown meat" and most were horribly disgusted at the prospect due to its unnatural creation. Intensive farming is just as unnatural, what you're eating just barely qualifies. as meat. Unnaturally conceived, raised, fed, in unnatural conditions, filled with stress and disease. Truly disgusting. Surely everyone wants to eat CLEAN food.

Obviously there are some of the same issues with regards to agriculture. Reminds me of Idiocracy, pouring "brawndo" onto the crops instead of water and wondering why they don't grow, and carry on regardless. It's madness.

Eat clean and ethical, whatever your diet.
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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Green leafy vegetation is being MURDERED by humans for their own pleasure.

SHAME ON YOU VEGETARIANS! PLANT MURDERERS!
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btw - you can eat eggs, drink milk, make cheese from animals, and eat veal steaks and not kill a momma cow.

(if you take a calf and eat it, it's momma will get pregnant again and have another. Sorta like decapitating a carrot... it'll grow back.)

PLANT MURDERER!
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Trolololol no really, you're very amusing and clever, honestly you are.
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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here we go with this same bullocks again. look we are able to handle eating both meat and plants for a reason. so we can more easily adapt to whatever environment we may find ourselves in. some places we may not have access to meat so we eat more veges and other places the only food we may have access to is just meat. there is a reason we have teeth designed for cutting and tearing and teeth also designed for chewing and grinding.
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Green leafy vegetation is being MURDERED by humans for their own pleasure.

SHAME ON YOU VEGETARIANS! PLANT MURDERERS!
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It's OK, everything will be alright. I understand that other people advocating a healthier lifestyle threatens your ability to eat dead animals, but please understand as they know not what they do.

You are correct sir, there is no difference between plant & animal life. A dog is the same as an apple. A kitten and an avocado, different you might think but they are one and the same.

A monkey and a carrot, who the fuck cares about minute differences... it's all living stuff that's fair game for my tummay.

When I'm hungry, philosophy and ethics are out the window.
I will eat whatever the fuck I want and I applaud you sir for pointing out what's missing in this debate. Plants & animals are the same.
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I haven't eaten meat for 17 years.

Could never go back to eating dead flesh. Yuck.
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Goofy Thum

I haven't eaten it in the same amount of time, my health is excellent, look a lot younger than I really am too. Best decision I ever made.
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I've noticed how much younger I look in comparison to other people my age too. People generally assume I'm around 20/21. Most other 22-27 year olds look what I would think to be 30-35, while my face has no lines, no double chin or any wrinkling around the eyes. My hair is really thick and my skin is clear. I owe it in part to my dietary lifestyle and not smoking and only drinking on occasion.

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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
I am Eekerstard too!!!
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Last Edited by MrFlibble on 09/02/2012 12:27 PM
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, sometimes I think we're not. Either thought is really rather staggering.
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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nice self excuse
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For you bible tards who think it's unholy to eat animals :

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 9:3

Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
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THIS GUY KNOWS!bump
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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nice self excuse
 Quoting: Vandetta7


why?

its easy to throw "statements" around without the "how" and "why" you got to the point were you feel it appropriate to project them as would-be insults
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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nice self excuse
 Quoting: Vandetta7


why?

its easy to throw "statements" around without the "how" and "why" you got to the point were you feel it appropriate to project them as would-be insults
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just not my kind of humor i guess.
it was a joke right?
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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Lol make sure you cook your apples then. You do know what an Apple is, right?
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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nice self excuse
 Quoting: Vandetta7


why?

its easy to throw "statements" around without the "how" and "why" you got to the point were you feel it appropriate to project them as would-be insults
 Quoting: Doomwaffles


just not my kind of humor i guess.
it was a joke right?
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my apologies then
in the general glp sentiment I naturally assumed your comment held a jab towards me

i'm however not joking about the comment I made myself
I mean that, I only meant to highlight the irony of this argument, we don't hold it against any other mamal : the fact that they eat meat. Only ourselves, while we as a species (human) have all the characteristics that predators have, excluding the bipedal factor.


it comes natural to ask the how/why/when/who questions , especially when op is called "empath"
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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Lol make sure you cook your apples then. You do know what an Apple is, right?
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its aliiiiiive!!!!!

KILL IT
KILL IT!!


theendisnigh
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veggie people eat raw things, i personally find it detestable to set my teeth into anything thats still alive
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Lol make sure you cook your apples then. You do know what an Apple is, right?
 Quoting: ming


its aliiiiiive!!!!!

KILL IT
KILL IT!!


theendisnigh
 Quoting: Doomwaffles


hahahahaha death to the everything! I am the master!
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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I'm with you OP. Although there is definitely a place both in agriculture and human diet for animals, the higher consciousness path is to reduce and avoid cruelty and suffering. It's a path for some, but obviously not all :)
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^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^ thank you!
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Fruits are created to be eaten..in veggies you can eat them without killing the plant..

meat you ahve to kill the animal..animal that responds usually to love..animal that has family ties..etc..
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

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grassfed meat is the answer to the cruelty of factory farming. Cows go to pasture, eat grass, and fertilize the fields so the grass can grow even more abundantly. Then we eat the cows after they have lived a healthy happy life.

Why do vegetarians have so much hate in them? I simply can not eat only vegetables, it makes me physically weak. It's a simple fact of life. If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. That simple. You don't need to push your agenda on the rest of us.
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grassfed meat is the answer to the cruelty of factory farming. Cows go to pasture, eat grass, and fertilize the fields so the grass can grow even more abundantly. Then we eat the cows after they have lived a healthy happy life.

Why do vegetarians have so much hate in them? I simply can not eat only vegetables, it makes me physically weak. It's a simple fact of life. If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. That simple. You don't need to push your agenda on the rest of us.
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its not about only eating veggies..its a balanced diet..
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Watch Earthlings.com free to watch and change our world for the better.

The meat industry is a horrible evil!!! No one should be eating meat especially if one believes in God..
 Quoting: Empath 15322038


Add some PORK to dem beans, son!
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Watch Earthlings.com free to watch and change our world for the better.

The meat industry is a horrible evil!!! No one should be eating meat especially if one believes in God..
 Quoting: Empath 15322038


While I agree that the meat industry could be better,
I think your opinion that belief in God equates to
being a vegetarian is ludicrous.

I am remembering a story I heard about Christ taking
a basket of fish and multiplying it.

Nature also provides ample evidence that genetically
we are omnivores--

[link to www.saburchill.com]

[link to www.ivu.org]

Also, plants have consciousness and so the notion
that eating them is superior to eating another kind
of consciousness is merely denial of your own nature.

[link to www.britannica.com]

Nature being what it is, and the food chain
being what it is, I doubt you could convince
a bear or a shark not to eat a human if it is
hungry, and a human easy prey. Likewise, I will
not pass up a good steak if I am hungry and the
vegetarians have eaten up all the salad and hummus~!

If your intent is to get people to watch the movie,
"Earthlings", consider editing out the notion that
God will hate you if you eat a hamburger...

"EARTHLINGS is an award-winning documentary film about the suffering of animals for food, fashion, pets, entertainment and medical research. Considered the most persuasive documentary ever made, EARTHLINGS is nicknamed “the Vegan maker” for its sensitive footage shot at animal shelters, pet stores, puppy mills, factory farms, slaughterhouses, the leather and fur trades, sporting events, circuses and research labs."

Its not about eating meat...but how to do it humanely.
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Watch Earthlings.com free to watch and change our world for the better.

The meat industry is a horrible evil!!! No one should be eating meat especially if one believes in God..
 Quoting: Empath 15322038


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