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any geologist here? which among 500 minerals would GLOW blue with just a little light

 
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Wow. Lots of speculation, and no real answers, yet a lot of facts without a timeline to tie it all together.

..... And this is why we need MAN to step foot upon distant planets with the proper tools and a LIVE feed.

A proper geologist upon the surface of mars would easily start making distinct observations and chronologies supporting the evidence found. A geologist wouldn't look first upon a crater, he'd first look into canyons and study to local strata for clues as to which overlies which. His reading from various instruments would detect signatures that gave him clues he'd need to understand to the topography as well as the disbursement of the minerals.

Hug a tree?, fuck that, shake hands with a geologist and ask him what he sees and can explain to you.

Dr. Christian Shorrey from the Colorado institute of earth science has outstanding podcasts about earth history and mineralogy, you'd be far better learning from him than from NASA in my opinion. Subscribe and be enlightened to what we have here, then take what you know and place it with what we know about Mars.

You won't be sorry, it's a basic course of 80+ podcasts filled with mindfucking brilliance.

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Maybe he could answer about artificial craters produced by exotic particle beams burying energy deep within targets...., some things in Cydonia look like melted as well.... who would know if God of War actually LOST a war?
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This is the guy who may know many secrets
[link to www.msss.com]
He's the one who personally chooses what to shoot with the cameras, the one who uses filters and passes second or third generation of photographs to the rest of the world, he's one of the main lairs..
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Wow. Lots of speculation, and no real answers, yet a lot of facts without a timeline to tie it all together.

..... And this is why we need MAN to step foot upon distant planets with the proper tools and a LIVE feed.

A proper geologist upon the surface of mars would easily start making distinct observations and chronologies supporting the evidence found. A geologist wouldn't look first upon a crater, he'd first look into canyons and study to local strata for clues as to which overlies which. His reading from various instruments would detect signatures that gave him clues he'd need to understand to the topography as well as the disbursement of the minerals.

Hug a tree?, fuck that, shake hands with a geologist and ask him what he sees and can explain to you.

Dr. Christian Shorrey from the Colorado institute of earth science has outstanding podcasts about earth history and mineralogy, you'd be far better learning from him than from NASA in my opinion. Subscribe and be enlightened to what we have here, then take what you know and place it with what we know about Mars.

You won't be sorry, it's a basic course of 80+ podcasts filled with mindfucking brilliance.
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I followed your advice, got his email and wrote him:





Dr. Christian Shorey
I'm XXXX writing from YYYYY and someone told me I could learn more with you than asking questions to people at NASA.
My question doesn't deal with earth but Mars. I have wondered what minerals or rocks could create fluorescence during pre-dawn which is still dark on Mars. It's a difficult question because maybe we are dealing with any among 500 minerals!
I am interested in the blue glow as lit by UV light. Could be chlorophane or fluorite, calcite from mercury mines. This link indicates Martian pyrite maybe with UNUSUAL crystallisation:
[link to www.phys.uregina.ca]


Yet,maybe pyrite has yellow glow. Red hematite could glow blue lit by UV?

Silica in varnish-like coating? Copper compounds? Benitoite? Then someone said PLUTONIUM and made me think. Mars maybe covered with a layer of uranium (in this case the glow would be yellow-green), cesium 157, xenon 129 would be blue glow but the gas is excited by electrical discharge in this case. Could it be thorium or radioactive potassium?
Then because of that info I started to search and ended up with this information about a natural NUKE BLAST on Mars, the one who wrote that has an impressive background,he's not an amateur, Dr. John Brandenburg:
[link to www.arkcode.com]

[link to www.foxnews.com]


Problem is we depend on NASA wavelenght, yet infrared images and hyperspectral images indicate incredible reflectivity in this area:

[link to keithlaney.net]

My question is objective and related specifically about reflectivity and not what it looks like. And my question is done because other geologist's tests FAILED:
[link to keithlaney.net]


Perhaps you are bombed with questions, so even if your response is brief I would appreciate.
Thanks and best regards!
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Stay tuned, when and IF he answers, I'll post it here.
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Wow. Lots of speculation, and no real answers, yet a lot of facts without a timeline to tie it all together.

..... And this is why we need MAN to step foot upon distant planets with the proper tools and a LIVE feed.

A proper geologist upon the surface of mars would easily start making distinct observations and chronologies supporting the evidence found. A geologist wouldn't look first upon a crater, he'd first look into canyons and study to local strata for clues as to which overlies which. His reading from various instruments would detect signatures that gave him clues he'd need to understand to the topography as well as the disbursement of the minerals.

Hug a tree?, fuck that, shake hands with a geologist and ask him what he sees and can explain to you.

Dr. Christian Shorrey from the Colorado institute of earth science has outstanding podcasts about earth history and mineralogy, you'd be far better learning from him than from NASA in my opinion. Subscribe and be enlightened to what we have here, then take what you know and place it with what we know about Mars.

You won't be sorry, it's a basic course of 80+ podcasts filled with mindfucking brilliance.
 Quoting: Redpaw360



I followed your advice, got his email and wrote him:





Dr. Christian Shorey
I'm XXXX writing from YYYYY and someone told me I could learn more with you than asking questions to people at NASA.
My question doesn't deal with earth but Mars. I have wondered what minerals or rocks could create fluorescence during pre-dawn which is still dark on Mars. It's a difficult question because maybe we are dealing with any among 500 minerals!
I am interested in the blue glow as lit by UV light. Could be chlorophane or fluorite, calcite from mercury mines. This link indicates Martian pyrite maybe with UNUSUAL crystallisation:
[link to www.phys.uregina.ca]


Yet,maybe pyrite has yellow glow. Red hematite could glow blue lit by UV?

Silica in varnish-like coating? Copper compounds? Benitoite? Then someone said PLUTONIUM and made me think. Mars maybe covered with a layer of uranium (in this case the glow would be yellow-green), cesium 157, xenon 129 would be blue glow but the gas is excited by electrical discharge in this case. Could it be thorium or radioactive potassium?
Then because of that info I started to search and ended up with this information about a natural NUKE BLAST on Mars, the one who wrote that has an impressive background,he's not an amateur, Dr. John Brandenburg:
[link to www.arkcode.com]

[link to www.foxnews.com]


Problem is we depend on NASA wavelenght, yet infrared images and hyperspectral images indicate incredible reflectivity in this area:

[link to keithlaney.net]

My question is objective and related specifically about reflectivity and not what it looks like. And my question is done because other geologist's tests FAILED:
[link to keithlaney.net]


Perhaps you are bombed with questions, so even if your response is brief I would appreciate.
Thanks and best regards!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23428932


OH MY FUCKING GOD, IM SERIOUSLY LAUGHING SO FUCKING OUTLOUD.
BA ha ahahaaa hahahhaaa. Ahahaaa. Can't breathe bahahhahaaaa

I just personally want you to know that if I ever got an email like that, I'd fucking frame it. I'd reply to it, it might take me 2-3 days to decipher what it was you were asking, and then a few weeks contacting a few more people to see what their valued opinions were, and then a few days after that to write out a responsible reply.... But I'd be damned if I didn't print and frame that email to jumbo poster size and use it for a topic of conversation for entire semesters for years to come.

What a classic email, that'll keep them neurons firing.

You sir, win the EMAIL OF 2012 award. I'd buy you a drink and a hooker if I could, bless you.
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Decipher? It was a very simple question any geologist would understand easily.

It's writing 7-pages letter and emails like that,that made people like engineer and best seller author Maurice Cotterell to answer me many times during years; Zecharia Sitchin (he wasn't a linguist but wasn't an idiot either) wrote 3 letters written with a typewriter machine; egyptologist Anthony West answer extended emails as well; Spanish well known author J.J. Benítez (author of the Troy Horse science fiction novels) took months but finally replied an email of mine. Movie filmaker Guillermo del Toro (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth) who has photographic memory replied to my Spanish email once and I have been in contact with script writer Jaffa from the recent Rise of the Planet of the Apes. I have an extended list of people who have replied because they enjoyed the way I did my observations.
This geologist -being as good as you say he is- would detect easily if I made a mistake quoting a fistful of minerals related with blue glow as lit by UV during darkness at pre-Martian dawn. He wouldn't need to consult anyone, would he?
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I will gladly accept both the beer and the hooker BTW!
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But, who knows! With geologists you can expect anything. Once I asked a geologist teacher at the university, right here in Brazil, what the heck was doing tachylite...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

..... which is formed only ABOVE WATER and under ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE and probably thousands of years old....and found 100 km north of Azores, DEEP 2.500 km as discovered in an expedition sponsored by former USSR and examined by Dr. Maria Klinova. The geologist teacher not only got furious by lacking anything to say but then started to talk about other things which were not his area of knowledge like astrronomy.. which led me to do more questions testing different theories about the origin of earth, the size of our moon compared with any other moon in the planets we know, etc, etc. The man got mute and waited for other guests to come to our host's house and only THEN he started to insult me rather than answering the goddamn questions!!!!!
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Indeed that would make his neurons firing. Several times people who answered me said my messages were "thought provoking". Good because many scholars are not capable of thinking out of the box but get satisfied with the parrot-like repetition of whatever dogmas they learned at the universities studying their particular piece of the cake, transforming them into narrow-minded scholars. They know their speciality and are unable to see the whole canvas. Geologist believe in uniformitarianism,that everything worked the same work it does now, that whatever we can measure happening currently was exactly the way it was millions of years ago.
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But, who knows! With geologists you can expect anything. Once I asked a geologist teacher at the university, right here in Brazil, what the heck was doing tachylite...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

..... which is formed only ABOVE WATER and under ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE and probably thousands of years old....and found 100 km north of Azores, DEEP 2.500 km as discovered in an expedition sponsored by former USSR and examined by Dr. Maria Klinova. The geologist teacher not only got furious by lacking anything to say but then started to talk about other things which were not his area of knowledge like astrronomy.. which led me to do more questions testing different theories about the origin of earth, the size of our moon compared with any other moon in the planets we know, etc, etc. The man got mute and waited for other guests to come to our host's house and only THEN he started to insult me rather than answering the goddamn questions!!!!!
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OOPS, actually I said the actual depth, 2500 meters not kilometers.
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Wow. Lots of speculation, and no real answers, yet a lot of facts without a timeline to tie it all together.

..... And this is why we need MAN to step foot upon distant planets with the proper tools and a LIVE feed.

A proper geologist upon the surface of mars would easily start making distinct observations and chronologies supporting the evidence found. A geologist wouldn't look first upon a crater, he'd first look into canyons and study to local strata for clues as to which overlies which. His reading from various instruments would detect signatures that gave him clues he'd need to understand to the topography as well as the disbursement of the minerals.

Hug a tree?, fuck that, shake hands with a geologist and ask him what he sees and can explain to you.

Dr. Christian Shorrey from the Colorado institute of earth science has outstanding podcasts about earth history and mineralogy, you'd be far better learning from him than from NASA in my opinion. Subscribe and be enlightened to what we have here, then take what you know and place it with what we know about Mars.

You won't be sorry, it's a basic course of 80+ podcasts filled with mindfucking brilliance.
 Quoting: Redpaw360



I followed your advice, got his email and wrote him:





Dr. Christian Shorey
I'm XXXX writing from YYYYY and someone told me I could learn more with you than asking questions to people at NASA.
My question doesn't deal with earth but Mars. I have wondered what minerals or rocks could create fluorescence during pre-dawn which is still dark on Mars. It's a difficult question because maybe we are dealing with any among 500 minerals!
I am interested in the blue glow as lit by UV light. Could be chlorophane or fluorite, calcite from mercury mines. This link indicates Martian pyrite maybe with UNUSUAL crystallisation:
[link to www.phys.uregina.ca]


Yet,maybe pyrite has yellow glow. Red hematite could glow blue lit by UV?

Silica in varnish-like coating? Copper compounds? Benitoite? Then someone said PLUTONIUM and made me think. Mars maybe covered with a layer of uranium (in this case the glow would be yellow-green), cesium 157, xenon 129 would be blue glow but the gas is excited by electrical discharge in this case. Could it be thorium or radioactive potassium?
Then because of that info I started to search and ended up with this information about a natural NUKE BLAST on Mars, the one who wrote that has an impressive background,he's not an amateur, Dr. John Brandenburg:
[link to www.arkcode.com]

[link to www.foxnews.com]


Problem is we depend on NASA wavelenght, yet infrared images and hyperspectral images indicate incredible reflectivity in this area:

[link to keithlaney.net]

My question is objective and related specifically about reflectivity and not what it looks like. And my question is done because other geologist's tests FAILED:
[link to keithlaney.net]


Perhaps you are bombed with questions, so even if your response is brief I would appreciate.
Thanks and best regards!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23428932


OH MY FUCKING GOD, IM SERIOUSLY LAUGHING SO FUCKING OUTLOUD.
BA ha ahahaaa hahahhaaa. Ahahaaa. Can't breathe bahahhahaaaa

I just personally want you to know that if I ever got an email like that, I'd fucking frame it. I'd reply to it, it might take me 2-3 days to decipher what it was you were asking, and then a few weeks contacting a few more people to see what their valued opinions were, and then a few days after that to write out a responsible reply.... But I'd be damned if I didn't print and frame that email to jumbo poster size and use it for a topic of conversation for entire semesters for years to come.

What a classic email, that'll keep them neurons firing.

You sir, win the EMAIL OF 2012 award. I'd buy you a drink and a hooker if I could, bless you.
 Quoting: Redpaw360


I told you he could answer, he wrote this to me:

Hello X
The minerals that could give a blue glow are:
Albite, allophane, apatite(lavender), barite (lavender), benitoite, brucite, calcite, celestite, colemanite, creedite, dypingite, fluorite, gypsum, hardystonite (deep violet-blue), hedyphane (lavender), herderite, howlite, hydrozincite (lavender), karpatite, magnesite, margarite, microcline, pectolite, scapolite, sphalerite, strontianite, tyuyamunite, wavellite, witherite and wollastonite.
Hope that helps,
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Wow. Lots of speculation, and no real answers, yet a lot of facts without a timeline to tie it all together.

..... And this is why we need MAN to step foot upon distant planets with the proper tools and a LIVE feed.

A proper geologist upon the surface of mars would easily start making distinct observations and chronologies supporting the evidence found. A geologist wouldn't look first upon a crater, he'd first look into canyons and study to local strata for clues as to which overlies which. His reading from various instruments would detect signatures that gave him clues he'd need to understand to the topography as well as the disbursement of the minerals.

Hug a tree?, fuck that, shake hands with a geologist and ask him what he sees and can explain to you.

Dr. Christian Shorrey from the Colorado institute of earth science has outstanding podcasts about earth history and mineralogy, you'd be far better learning from him than from NASA in my opinion. Subscribe and be enlightened to what we have here, then take what you know and place it with what we know about Mars.

You won't be sorry, it's a basic course of 80+ podcasts filled with mindfucking brilliance.
 Quoting: Redpaw360



I followed your advice, got his email and wrote him:





Dr. Christian Shorey
I'm XXXX writing from YYYYY and someone told me I could learn more with you than asking questions to people at NASA.
My question doesn't deal with earth but Mars. I have wondered what minerals or rocks could create fluorescence during pre-dawn which is still dark on Mars. It's a difficult question because maybe we are dealing with any among 500 minerals!
I am interested in the blue glow as lit by UV light. Could be chlorophane or fluorite, calcite from mercury mines. This link indicates Martian pyrite maybe with UNUSUAL crystallisation:
[link to www.phys.uregina.ca]


Yet,maybe pyrite has yellow glow. Red hematite could glow blue lit by UV?

Silica in varnish-like coating? Copper compounds? Benitoite? Then someone said PLUTONIUM and made me think. Mars maybe covered with a layer of uranium (in this case the glow would be yellow-green), cesium 157, xenon 129 would be blue glow but the gas is excited by electrical discharge in this case. Could it be thorium or radioactive potassium?
Then because of that info I started to search and ended up with this information about a natural NUKE BLAST on Mars, the one who wrote that has an impressive background,he's not an amateur, Dr. John Brandenburg:
[link to www.arkcode.com]

[link to www.foxnews.com]


Problem is we depend on NASA wavelenght, yet infrared images and hyperspectral images indicate incredible reflectivity in this area:

[link to keithlaney.net]

My question is objective and related specifically about reflectivity and not what it looks like. And my question is done because other geologist's tests FAILED:
[link to keithlaney.net]


Perhaps you are bombed with questions, so even if your response is brief I would appreciate.
Thanks and best regards!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23428932


OH MY FUCKING GOD, IM SERIOUSLY LAUGHING SO FUCKING OUTLOUD.
BA ha ahahaaa hahahhaaa. Ahahaaa. Can't breathe bahahhahaaaa

I just personally want you to know that if I ever got an email like that, I'd fucking frame it. I'd reply to it, it might take me 2-3 days to decipher what it was you were asking, and then a few weeks contacting a few more people to see what their valued opinions were, and then a few days after that to write out a responsible reply.... But I'd be damned if I didn't print and frame that email to jumbo poster size and use it for a topic of conversation for entire semesters for years to come.

What a classic email, that'll keep them neurons firing.

You sir, win the EMAIL OF 2012 award. I'd buy you a drink and a hooker if I could, bless you.
 Quoting: Redpaw360


I told you he could answer, he wrote this to me:

Hello X
The minerals that could give a blue glow are:
Albite, allophane, apatite(lavender), barite (lavender), benitoite, brucite, calcite, celestite, colemanite, creedite, dypingite, fluorite, gypsum, hardystonite (deep violet-blue), hedyphane (lavender), herderite, howlite, hydrozincite (lavender), karpatite, magnesite, margarite, microcline, pectolite, scapolite, sphalerite, strontianite, tyuyamunite, wavellite, witherite and wollastonite.
Hope that helps,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23698596


Okay, he responded, I expected more.... Like:

Under these conditions and upon mars with its current atmosphere as photo'd by various landers and satt's.... You'd most likely be seeing.....

Giving a list of minerals that could glow blue ( under what conditions) and ( under what visible wavelength) that a poorly calibrated camera would capture narrows it down to ......

He must be busy, or you just tossed to much shit at him a once for him to decipher what it was you asked.
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Yes, I expected more...
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.... anyway, it was kind for him to respond cos once someone becomes recognized, receives a lot of crazy emails... LIKE MINE, heheheh! He could've ignored me.
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.... anyway, it was kind for him to respond cos once someone becomes recognized, receives a lot of crazy emails... LIKE MINE, heheheh! He could've ignored me.
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He's a very educated man, and I'm glad you got a response from him.
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talkin bout blueberries
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.... anyway, it was kind for him to respond cos once someone becomes recognized, receives a lot of crazy emails... LIKE MINE, heheheh! He could've ignored me.
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He's a very educated man, and I'm glad you got a response from him.
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As a pain in the arse man that I am, could you believe I ASKED HIM AGAIN and he also replied?

I wrote

"and YET which among all them could glow blue lit by UV during Martian darkness?" and he wrote back:

"Any of those could. UV is just one band of EMR. To really distinguish minerals with remote sensing you need a broader spectral signature using multiple wavelengths of reflected and emitted EMR."

Of course, I thanked him again and I promised him I won't bother him again. Nice dude.
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You rock Brazil !
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Meanwhile the Martian spherulas may be the work of water... [link to www.popsci.com] .... right here heat is upon us while before there were freezing temperatures,heat again, drought, fire in the fields and HAIL the size of golf balls.... tropical country.... ahha!
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