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I have been doing research on all sorts of topics for the last couple of years and i've awakened to hard fact truths and wisdom. But i have lost a lot of friends in this journey. I cant explain anything to anyone anymore, it's as if they have their head stuck deep in the ground and don't want to listen.

What am i supposed to do? It really hurts to lose friends that you've known for a long time. :(
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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Perhaps you need to lower your expectations. I think it unrealistic to believe others are going to come around to my way of thinking. I tend to look for common ground with my friends. If they choose to bury their heads in the sand, that is their choice, I don't have control over that.
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf

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Perhaps you need to lower your expectations. I think it unrealistic to believe others are going to come around to my way of thinking. I tend to look for common ground with my friends. If they choose to bury their heads in the sand, that is their choice, I don't have control over that.
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I get frustrated when they act like fools and sheep. I try to explain but they never listen.

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The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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I have been doing research on all sorts of topics for the last couple of years and i've awakened to hard fact truths and wisdom. But i have lost a lot of friends in this journey. I cant explain anything to anyone anymore, it's as if they have their head stuck deep in the ground and don't want to listen.

What am i supposed to do? It really hurts to lose friends that you've known for a long time. :(
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~




I know what you mean. I have some friends who still believe the media, and they think I am crazy because I am trying to warn them about the NWO, the coming economic collapse and about coming WW3.

Keep trying to reach out to them though.

Here in a few months, there will be no denying it anymore.

The Great Awakening cant be stopped.

Last Edited by chris999 on 09/03/2012 03:04 PM
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes.
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
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I have been doing research on all sorts of topics for the last couple of years and i've awakened to hard fact truths and wisdom. But i have lost a lot of friends in this journey. I cant explain anything to anyone anymore, it's as if they have their head stuck deep in the ground and don't want to listen.

What am i supposed to do? It really hurts to lose friends that you've known for a long time. :(
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


The problem is you are going through life believing you are the only one correct and unknowingly have a closed mind. When you find yourself all alone you might want to consider listening instead of soap boxing issues with friends.
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Keep trying to reach out to them though.

Here in a few months, there will be no denying it anymore.

The Great Awakening cant be stopped.
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kitty And I can tell you from personal experience that you won't get any thanks from them for being right.
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Keep on chugging along. If you turn back and regather your friends you will feel even more alone. It's part of the price to pay to know the truth. The truth is not of the world, so the world will spit you out.
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Don't talk to people about it. Unless they ask for more info. If they start giving you strange looks. Stop.
Also, not everything is a conspiracy. Some of the stuff put out there is made up to make us look foolish. Pick and choose wisely :)
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I have been doing research on all sorts of topics for the last couple of years and i've awakened to hard fact truths and wisdom. But i have lost a lot of friends in this journey. I cant explain anything to anyone anymore, it's as if they have their head stuck deep in the ground and don't want to listen.

What am i supposed to do? It really hurts to lose friends that you've known for a long time. :(
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Move out of that backwards shit hole country.
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Move out of that backwards shit hole country.
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Perhaps you need to lower your expectations. I think it unrealistic to believe others are going to come around to my way of thinking. I tend to look for common ground with my friends. If they choose to bury their heads in the sand, that is their choice, I don't have control over that.
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agree , no ever agrees with me but I still put the message out for them to make a choicehf
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22481746


speak for yourself.

i prefer to call us 'survivors'
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
 Quoting: !saac


may that sentence helps you out as i did for me. Quoting from Walter Russells "The Universal One":

Man's fixed concept of a universe of innumerable objects separated by realtive and measurable distances unfits him for thinking of the universe in any but a realtive sense.

--------------------

So, when you get that nothing and nobody is separated - really nothing, all is but ONE - then it is much easier to take these reactions from our friends not as personal attacks but just for what they are: reflections of our own inability to give unconditional love. without all that fear mongering of conspiracies.

What is to do?

go to the core of it all. then you'll find even in conspiracies the one idea of love which in that case helps people to awake more fast. - but to evolve, do it with love, not with fear.

What else is do to?
again, go the the core. there are no separated things. think about it and tell people about the fact, that nothing in this universe is separated. so then, we just have to know, that if we hurt somebody or something, we're always hurting ourself. if this knowledge is part of your mind, you will have difficulties to feel hateful against anybody. and grace will be by your side.



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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Are you a Christian?
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Are you a Christian?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


No.
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
 Quoting: !saac


may that sentence helps you out as i did for me. Quoting from Walter Russells "The Universal One":

Man's fixed concept of a universe of innumerable objects separated by realtive and measurable distances unfits him for thinking of the universe in any but a realtive sense.

--------------------

So, when you get that nothing and nobody is separated - really nothing, all is but ONE - then it is much easier to take these reactions from our friends not as personal attacks but just for what they are: reflections of our own inability to give unconditional love. without all that fear mongering of conspiracies.

What is to do?

go to the core of it all. then you'll find even in conspiracies the one idea of love which in that case helps people to awake more fast. - but to evolve, do it with love, not with fear.

What else is do to?
again, go the the core. there are no separated things. think about it and tell people about the fact, that nothing in this universe is separated. so then, we just have to know, that if we hurt somebody or something, we're always hurting ourself. if this knowledge is part of your mind, you will have difficulties to feel hateful against anybody. and grace will be by your side.



The solution of the blocking is the solution. Carefully, not violently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550557




"all is one" makes me think of the new age charlatans, NO disrespect to you.


it makes me think of the new world order.


makes me think of the globalization that is scr*wing this world.


sisterhood, brotherhood/ I agree.

But the all is one "philosophy" didn't work. We have to be able to co- exist, in spite of all the differences.
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The problem is you are going through life believing you are the only one correct and unknowingly have a closed mind. When you find yourself all alone you might want to consider listening instead of soap boxing issues with friends.
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this is probably the best advice on this page, OP. people dont like being called dopes, even by friends. if you dont want to lose friends, dont chase them away.
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The problem is you are going through life believing you are the only one correct and unknowingly have a closed mind. When you find yourself all alone you might want to consider listening instead of soap boxing issues with friends.
 Quoting: FubarMan


this is probably the best advice on this page, OP. people dont like being called dopes, even by friends. if you dont want to lose friends, dont chase them away.
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there is a very distinct line between new age philosophy and Islam.

New age tells you that life is a school, while Islam tells you that life is an exam.



So during this exam, people should judge the other people with what they know, how much they're capable of grasping certain concepts and the state of their environments.

OP, you have to continue to live your life. You just have the duty to tell them once. If they don't understand, it is not your call to wake them up.

If you get stuck on this, you will be all alone in no time.

Just tell them once, and that is, if it fits. After that, you are done.
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22481746


speak for yourself.

i prefer to call us 'survivors'
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Just don't talk to them about all this conspiracy stuff. People don't believe then think your weird or nuts. Save your conspiracy stuff for your glp friends .hf
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Are we weird?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22481746


speak for yourself.

i prefer to call us 'survivors'
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Back off from trying to enlighten them, try to retain friendships, and give it time. They may come around.

I ran into same in 2008. I had one close friend tell me, "Where the hell do you get these ideas? I don't want to hear these things. They have nothing to do with me & my life!". Haha, now they say (when it has affected their lives), "You were right about everything. How did you know?"

Two years ago at a family gathering an in-law said he was going to toss a bunch of hand tools he's had his whole life. I told him not too in case a solar flare or attack takes out the grid. Everyone laughed at me. But when the msm recently started saying same they've all become believers!

I don't offer anything any more. I wait for them to bring it up which they do now.
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
 Quoting: !saac


may that sentence helps you out as i did for me. Quoting from Walter Russells "The Universal One":

Man's fixed concept of a universe of innumerable objects separated by realtive and measurable distances unfits him for thinking of the universe in any but a realtive sense.

--------------------

So, when you get that nothing and nobody is separated - really nothing, all is but ONE - then it is much easier to take these reactions from our friends not as personal attacks but just for what they are: reflections of our own inability to give unconditional love. without all that fear mongering of conspiracies.

What is to do?

go to the core of it all. then you'll find even in conspiracies the one idea of love which in that case helps people to awake more fast. - but to evolve, do it with love, not with fear.

What else is do to?
again, go the the core. there are no separated things. think about it and tell people about the fact, that nothing in this universe is separated. so then, we just have to know, that if we hurt somebody or something, we're always hurting ourself. if this knowledge is part of your mind, you will have difficulties to feel hateful against anybody. and grace will be by your side.



The solution of the blocking is the solution. Carefully, not violently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550557




"all is one" makes me think of the new age charlatans, NO disrespect to you.


it makes me think of the new world order.


makes me think of the globalization that is scr*wing this world.


sisterhood, brotherhood/ I agree.

But the all is one "philosophy" didn't work. We have to be able to co- exist, in spite of all the differences.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23115648



yes indeed.
it was quite freaky to me too, some years ago i didn't even thought about things like that too much.
but then, i somehow came into all this conspiracies stuff trough a book called "The Rediscovery of Life" [link to www.berndsenf.de]
It lead me in all the bad stuff of our world in telling some examples how life was and still is being oppressed. but with all this wow, and i didn't knew, how comes that everybody else isn't interested, and oh, what a bad bad world, i never lost the core of that rediscovery of Life.

some years later, i know more than ever about the principle of life. i learnt about cause and effects, vortices, electricity and magnetism and radioactivity. and i think, we will reach great things together. indeed, as seperated effects of one cause.
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
 Quoting: !saac


may that sentence helps you out as i did for me. Quoting from Walter Russells "The Universal One":

Man's fixed concept of a universe of innumerable objects separated by realtive and measurable distances unfits him for thinking of the universe in any but a realtive sense.

--------------------

So, when you get that nothing and nobody is separated - really nothing, all is but ONE - then it is much easier to take these reactions from our friends not as personal attacks but just for what they are: reflections of our own inability to give unconditional love. without all that fear mongering of conspiracies.

What is to do?

go to the core of it all. then you'll find even in conspiracies the one idea of love which in that case helps people to awake more fast. - but to evolve, do it with love, not with fear.

What else is do to?
again, go the the core. there are no separated things. think about it and tell people about the fact, that nothing in this universe is separated. so then, we just have to know, that if we hurt somebody or something, we're always hurting ourself. if this knowledge is part of your mind, you will have difficulties to feel hateful against anybody. and grace will be by your side.



The solution of the blocking is the solution. Carefully, not violently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550557




"all is one" makes me think of the new age charlatans, NO disrespect to you.


it makes me think of the new world order.


makes me think of the globalization that is scr*wing this world.


sisterhood, brotherhood/ I agree.

But the all is one "philosophy" didn't work. We have to be able to co- exist, in spite of all the differences.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23115648



yes indeed.
it was quite freaky to me too, some years ago i didn't even thought about things like that too much.
but then, i somehow came into all this conspiracies stuff trough a book called "The Rediscovery of Life" [link to www.berndsenf.de]
It lead me in all the bad stuff of our world in telling some examples how life was and still is being oppressed. but with all this wow, and i didn't knew, how comes that everybody else isn't interested, and oh, what a bad bad world, i never lost the core of that rediscovery of Life.

some years later, i know more than ever about the principle of life. i learnt about cause and effects, vortices, electricity and magnetism and radioactivity. and i think, we will reach great things together. indeed, as seperated effects of one cause.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550557





good post. I will check out the link. thanks.
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Idk, wait until they express some curiosity and ask you ?

Why waste your time forcing your views on deaf ears, and end up chasing away friends to boot ?

Aren't there things about folks you have to overlook in order for them to be friends ?

Not all my friends believe the same things I do, but it doesn't destroy our friendships.
 Quoting: !saac


may that sentence helps you out as i did for me. Quoting from Walter Russells "The Universal One":

Man's fixed concept of a universe of innumerable objects separated by realtive and measurable distances unfits him for thinking of the universe in any but a realtive sense.

--------------------

So, when you get that nothing and nobody is separated - really nothing, all is but ONE - then it is much easier to take these reactions from our friends not as personal attacks but just for what they are: reflections of our own inability to give unconditional love. without all that fear mongering of conspiracies.

What is to do?

go to the core of it all. then you'll find even in conspiracies the one idea of love which in that case helps people to awake more fast. - but to evolve, do it with love, not with fear.

What else is do to?
again, go the the core. there are no separated things. think about it and tell people about the fact, that nothing in this universe is separated. so then, we just have to know, that if we hurt somebody or something, we're always hurting ourself. if this knowledge is part of your mind, you will have difficulties to feel hateful against anybody. and grace will be by your side.



The solution of the blocking is the solution. Carefully, not violently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550557




"all is one" makes me think of the new age charlatans, NO disrespect to you.


it makes me think of the new world order.


makes me think of the globalization that is scr*wing this world.


sisterhood, brotherhood/ I agree.

But the all is one "philosophy" didn't work. We have to be able to co- exist, in spite of all the differences.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23115648



yes indeed.
it was quite freaky to me too, some years ago i didn't even thought about things like that too much.
but then, i somehow came into all this conspiracies stuff trough a book called "The Rediscovery of Life" [link to www.berndsenf.de]
It lead me in all the bad stuff of our world in telling some examples how life was and still is being oppressed. but with all this wow, and i didn't knew, how comes that everybody else isn't interested, and oh, what a bad bad world, i never lost the core of that rediscovery of Life.

some years later, i know more than ever about the principle of life. i learnt about cause and effects, vortices, electricity and magnetism and radioactivity. and i think, we will reach great things together. indeed, as seperated effects of one cause.
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Thanks hf
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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Re: I need some advice!
Back off from trying to enlighten them, try to retain friendships, and give it time. They may come around.

I ran into same in 2008. I had one close friend tell me, "Where the hell do you get these ideas? I don't want to hear these things. They have nothing to do with me & my life!". Haha, now they say (when it has affected their lives), "You were right about everything. How did you know?"

Two years ago at a family gathering an in-law said he was going to toss a bunch of hand tools he's had his whole life. I told him not too in case a solar flare or attack takes out the grid. Everyone laughed at me. But when the msm recently started saying same they've all become believers!

I don't offer anything any more. I wait for them to bring it up which they do now.
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That's the strategy!

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