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If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!

 
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If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
same blood system, same immunity.

if a mother receives a vaccine then the child she bears also will be vaccinated, so why is there a need to vaccinate the child after birth?

just think about it for a min!
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btw, if you too follow the trail it will always lead to one thing.


bacteria and viri dont exist

is all just fungi!

tbh i dont think your all ready for that info just yet..
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
also the mother being vaccinated prior to being pregnant would also pass on the same immunity to the child even if the mother received no vaccine during pregnancy.

that is all based on the assumption that vaccines actually do anything at all, but if they did, thats what would happen.
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If the mothers immune system actually worked and did it's job, the ability to have a baby would be impossible.
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If the mothers immune system actually worked and did it's job, the ability to have a baby would be impossible.
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a baby is not foreign to the mothers immune system.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
btw, if you too follow the trail it will always lead to one thing.


bacteria and viri dont exist

is all just fungi!

tbh i dont think your all ready for that info just yet..
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You may want to buy yourself a Microscope.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Op you're a fucking idiot.

Often the mother and child dont have the same blood. Sometimes the child inherits the blood type of the father and when this is rh+ and the mother is negative it can have drastic consequences.

For example, if even a few ml of the placental blood crosses into the mother, the mothers immune system produces antibodies against the blood of the baby and essentially causes a massive clotting and immune response.

It can and does often kill the baby and the mother if not treated. Long story there are different types of antibodies.

How is it treated, its complicated, but considering you seem to know jack shit about the immune system, i'm a leave it here.
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Often the mother and child dont have the same blood. Sometimes the child inherits the blood type of the father and when this is rh+ and the mother is negative it can have drastic consequences.
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Op you're a fucking idiot.

Often the mother and child dont have the same blood. Sometimes the child inherits the blood type of the father and when this is rh+ and the mother is negative it can have drastic consequences.

For example, if even a few ml of the placental blood crosses into the mother, the mothers immune system produces antibodies against the blood of the baby and essentially causes a massive clotting and immune response.

It can and does often kill the baby and the mother if not treated. Long story there are different types of antibodies.

How is it treated, its complicated, but considering you seem to know jack shit about the immune system, i'm a leave it here.
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If the mothers immune system actually worked and did it's job, the ability to have a baby would be impossible.
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Yes and no, its obviously a evolutionary protection mechanism much like the blood brain barrier.

Just like how chemicals that are too polar or have a specific size and shape and are attacked by enzymes or cannot cross into the central nervous system, a similar thing happens with the placenta. Generally speaking.

igM, igG are the types of antibodies in haemolytic disease if i recall my immunology... Its been a while.

Cut a long story short and simple, specific types of white blood cells have the ability to make chemicals that attach to foreign objects.
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Often the mother and child dont have the same blood. Sometimes the child inherits the blood type of the father and when this is rh+ and the mother is negative it can have drastic consequences.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
btw, if you too follow the trail it will always lead to one thing.


bacteria and viri dont exist

is all just fungi!

tbh i dont think your all ready for that info just yet..
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You may want to buy yourself a Microscope.
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you think i make the claim as a guess?

dont be so naive
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Cut a long story short and simple, specific types of white blood cells have the ability to make chemicals that attach to foreign objects.
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This is often what happens in allergic reactions.

Auto immune diseases are when the immune system has an error so to speak, and finds it hard to distinguish between foreign and self.

This can result in things like cartridge problems, shortened lifespan, digestion problems etc etc repeat ad infinitum.

It all depends on the severity etc.

Also a huge factor in things like organ transplants, blood donation, bone marrow donation.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Op you're a fucking idiot.

Often the mother and child dont have the same blood. Sometimes the child inherits the blood type of the father and when this is rh+ and the mother is negative it can have drastic consequences.

For example, if even a few ml of the placental blood crosses into the mother, the mothers immune system produces antibodies against the blood of the baby and essentially causes a massive clotting and immune response.

It can and does often kill the baby and the mother if not treated. Long story there are different types of antibodies.

How is it treated, its complicated, but considering you seem to know jack shit about the immune system, i'm a leave it here.
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rh + and rh - blood mixed in air will cause instant clotting.

its why native indians cut their hands to shake, it shows if they are the same rh type. (blood brothers) it was a test not a ritual.

i know everything about the immune system, i have written many papers on it.

i come here and post casually . by no means do i claim to cover everything in my opening post.




back to the topic at hand


are you claiming an injection into the blood system of the mother can not pass the barrier into the childs blood system??
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
you think i make the claim as a guess?

dont be so naive
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Enlighten us OP.

Im not an immunologist, but i have ample background in both immunology and bacteriology to understand you.

You have evidence to suggest most of the field of molecular genetics, immunology and 150 years of microbiology are wrong, knock yourself out.

We are waiting.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Vacccines work. The cancer viruses in the vaccines get into the mothers DNA and are then passed down to the offspring.

Vaccines are designed to slowly kill. And they do work for that.
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rh + and rh - blood mixed in air will cause instant clotting.

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Clotting is not directly to do with the immune system, its related to factors in the blood. You can have a functioning or non functioning immune system and have clotting disorders, or not.

are you claiming an injection into the blood system of the mother can not pass the barrier into the childs blood system??
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Never said that, yes components do cross over, as a matter of fact thats how haemolytic disease in pregnancy is managed.

If they give the mother the larger antibodies that dont cross the placenta, her immune system doesn't produce the smaller ones that do, therefore tricking the immune system and protecting the immune response against the pregnancy.
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funny, i remember when you couldnt walk a day in any american city and NOT see someone messed up by polio (i'm 50). dont see them anymore. why is that if vaccines dont work?
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They quit putting polio virus in the whooping cough, dptheria vaccines. That's why polio is gone.

Big hoax to gain CONfidence of the sheeple.

Vaccines are a CON.
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you think i make the claim as a guess?

dont be so naive
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Enlighten us OP.

Im not an immunologist, but i have ample background in both immunology and bacteriology to understand you.

You have evidence to suggest most of the field of molecular genetics, immunology and 150 years of microbiology are wrong, knock yourself out.

We are waiting.
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i really cant be bothered going into it in detail as my main point is regarding the mother being vaccinated and thus so is the child inside her, but ill give you some clues.

im not here to waste my time but for your benefit maybe you should start with Clostridium botulinum and compare to fungi, then move on and on until you understand every difference between the three.

the classification differences relate mainly to particle size and presence of a nucleus..

but back to topic...

do you understand that a vaccinated mother is also a vaccinated child? and thus why vaccinate the child after birth?

now i dont make any claim that vaccination prevents contraction, im claiming that the vaccination will cross the placenta.
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im not here to waste my time
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Nope, just mine, which is why i am out after i have typed the remainder of this post. Because this entire thread is a steaming pile of shit.

You need to do some reading on these subjects before making ridiculous claims.

you should start with Clostridium botulinum and compare to fungi
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You are honestly going to try and tell somebody some bullshit, when the person you are talking to has 4 nearly 5 years microbiology experience.

I've probably grown more clostridum species than you have had hot dinners, i've often used C. perf and dif as test organisms.

As for fungi, most people who have done micro have grown Saccharomyces so much they never want to see yeast ever again.

Thats it, im out, im not wasting my time with this nonsense. Anybody who has ever picked up a textbook on immunology or microbiology isnt going to take any of this thread seriously.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Cut a long story short and simple, specific types of white blood cells have the ability to make chemicals that attach to foreign objects.
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This is often what happens in allergic reactions.

Auto immune diseases are when the immune system has an error so to speak, and finds it hard to distinguish between foreign and self.

This can result in things like cartridge problems, shortened lifespan, digestion problems etc etc repeat ad infinitum.

It all depends on the severity etc.

Also a huge factor in things like organ transplants, blood donation, bone marrow donation.
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Cartilage, lol fuckin typo.
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
Two words, Introns and Exons. Look them up in relation to bacteria and funghi.

Then laugh at the rest of this thread.

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same blood system, same immunity.
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NOT the same blood, NOT the same immunity.

Any idea what the placenta is for?

Why is it always the people who know next to nothing about a subject who are the most arrogantly, and wrongly, opinionated about it?
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[link to www.hindawi.com]

i am wasting my time here.
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more to prove im wasting my time here

[link to www.hindawi.com]
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Re: If vaccines actually worked then babies would be born immune if the mother had the vaccine!
What I worry about with vaccines is what happens if we can no longer get them? I wonder if everyone will be far less able to resist ordinary illness which we vaccinate for.

Does it not mean that because we have no natural immunity we would have the desease far worse than if it just went through the population?

Or are the vaccines just like having the disease and so we pass on immunity.If that is so why do we need the vaccinate the next generation?

I worry because I read that ths Spanish wiped out the South Americans because of measles,which they had never had.

The measles were common when I was young but we all seemed ok after we had it,but now Drs are saying it is a very bad disease.I find this extarordinary.I do not really believe them.I think there is an agenda.

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