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All you need is FAITH, HOPE and LOVE to live pleasing to God. 7 times it's repeated. Prophecy, tongues & words of knowledge have passed away

 
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Why don't you just print the whole god damn bible why don't ya?? Do you honestly believe anyone will read all the crap you've posted?
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anybody who comes along and says they heard personally from God and has a message... suspect and most likely false.
 Quoting: Salt


I hear from God, and He does give me messages. I guess by your definition i'm a false prophet and evil.

How sad.

Bye.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

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anybody who comes along and says they heard personally from God and has a message... suspect and most likely false.
 Quoting: Salt


I hear from God, and He does give me messages. I guess by your definition i'm a false prophet and evil.

How sad.

Bye.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

cool2
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THAT is precisely the thing i am talking about.
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the soul is the mind, the will, and the emotions.

point to your head. say, "this is my soul"
 Quoting: Salt


Aye. However it is by faith, not works, that we are saved from ourselves. Praise be to our heavenly father for he is the greatest good.

Romans 12:2 KJV

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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faith without works is dead.
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anybody who comes along and says they heard personally from God and has a message... suspect and most likely false.
 Quoting: Salt


I hear from God, and He does give me messages. I guess by your definition i'm a false prophet and evil.

How sad.

Bye.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

cool2
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Another massive ERROR! Bill DID NOT put a year on that prophecy, the person that made the thread did!

He even said in that video, "I don't know the year".

Please people, atleast be honest and fair. Bill gave no year on that prophecy.

Adding things to others visions is dishonest. Will that prophecy happen? I don't know! I believe it will, but don't know when. I don't like the sound of a tsunami anymore then the next person, in fact it stresses me out! But, judgement is coming to the earth, God said so. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with God Himself. WOE to that person.

Judgment IS coming! It's coming soon because of the evil that is running rampant in the earth and the increase of sin and no repentance!
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I hear from God, and He does give me messages. I guess by your definition i'm a false prophet and evil.

How sad.

Bye.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

cool2
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Another massive ERROR! Bill DID NOT put a year on that prophecy, the person that made the thread did!

He even said in that video, "I don't know the year".

Please people, atleast be honest and fair. Bill gave no year on that prophecy.

Adding things to others visions is dishonest. Will that prophecy happen? I don't know! I believe it will, but don't know when. I don't like the sound of a tsunami anymore then the next person, in fact it stresses me out! But, judgement is coming to the earth, God said so. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with God Himself. WOE to that person.

Judgment IS coming! It's coming soon because of the evil that is running rampant in the earth and the increase of sin and no repentance!
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its the DAY and the HOUR, as well as any open ended prophecy that either contradicts the Word or doesn't come true.

as far as chuck youngbrandt goes, he made a few prophecies that haven't come true and they are documented. One was in the late 70's and the other around 2005 in which he gave a time line of two events that were to pass simultaneously within three years and a year respectively.

i will try and find the articles penned from youngbrandt himself. just got home so it might take me a bit.

off the top of my head it had something to do with a hurricane and then 4 failed missile attacks on US, and something else, i forget now but will look it up.
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I hear from God, and He does give me messages. I guess by your definition i'm a false prophet and evil.

How sad.

Bye.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

cool2
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Another massive ERROR! Bill DID NOT put a year on that prophecy, the person that made the thread did!

He even said in that video, "I don't know the year".

Please people, atleast be honest and fair. Bill gave no year on that prophecy.

Adding things to others visions is dishonest. Will that prophecy happen? I don't know! I believe it will, but don't know when. I don't like the sound of a tsunami anymore then the next person, in fact it stresses me out! But, judgement is coming to the earth, God said so. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with God Himself. WOE to that person.

Judgment IS coming! It's coming soon because of the evil that is running rampant in the earth and the increase of sin and no repentance!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


But Lisa doesn't it make you scratch your head to think that 'God' would give someone a warning of a specific event with no reference for the time in which it would occur? What good is a warning without the ability to reference the time in which it will occur? To me it would be analogous to someone warning you that Yellowstone is going to erupt, sometime. We know that's going to happen but can't prepare for such an event without any reference as to when. It's not a functional message whatsoever. And the person who spreads that message to others is creating an environment of fear. It may be well-intentioned but an incomplete message is of no practical use to those who view it.

I do agree with you however that great change is afoot, although we might disagree with the mechanism behind that change, it doesn't make a difference because the end result is all the same.

cool2

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Dear Salt:

I know that you won't believe a single word that I say, but to set the record straight, I must reply.

The 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit are still functioning today.

I know of at least 4 incidents where the speaker spoke in an unknown tongue, but yet it was an earth language.

My assistant pastor, at a YWAM conference in Texas, heard a girl speak in Spanish, yet she didn't know it.

I have a personal friend who spoke for about 1 hour perfectly to Peruvians, yet she doesn't know their language herself. Nearly all came to Jesus Christ as the result of hearing her.

Please carefully check out the truth, before saying anything.
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I agree^^^....it's the spirit within that's praying to God for us...not the person. Though I believe some people can get the "wrong spirit"in them if they are not sincere. The bible says "these signs shall follow them"....it's a sign, combined with faith to believers he is with us. Only after we are in heaven will these gifts cease. That's why people are still being healed, and also why I can pray in tongues and focus on other things at the same time, it's spirit praying. And after praying in tongues it's cleansing and gives clarity. Something demonic would not leave us feeling so at peace and close to God afterwards. Before I spoke in tongues, I felt the same way as OP. That I was 'looked over" or maybe not good enough in God's eyes to have that gift. I just had to ask and trust.
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i never said ALL spiritual gifts have ceased and i never said that the Holy Spirit has ceased guiding us into all truth and interceding for us in prayer.

i said that tongues, prophecy and "word of knowledge" have ceased.

do not replace an emotional experience with an experience of God.

talking in gibberish or glosolalia is not a spiritual gift. it is NOT from God.

you might feel good afterward, but that has nothing to do with God.

i have no desire to have a gift that is not from God. i neither desire it nor feel led in anyway to pursue it because i know it is no longer used in the body. it has CEASED.
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not personal messages. public messages.
 Quoting: Salt


Oh you mean like this?

Thread: Man receives vision from the LORD about Canary Islands Tsunami to hit the East Coast between AUG. 20th and AUG. 31st. 2012 (VIDEO)

I don't believe in these either. I believe it's simply a matter of user-error when it comes to perception.

cool2
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Another massive ERROR! Bill DID NOT put a year on that prophecy, the person that made the thread did!

He even said in that video, "I don't know the year".

Please people, atleast be honest and fair. Bill gave no year on that prophecy.

Adding things to others visions is dishonest. Will that prophecy happen? I don't know! I believe it will, but don't know when. I don't like the sound of a tsunami anymore then the next person, in fact it stresses me out! But, judgement is coming to the earth, God said so. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with God Himself. WOE to that person.

Judgment IS coming! It's coming soon because of the evil that is running rampant in the earth and the increase of sin and no repentance!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


as well as any open ended prophecy that either contradicts the Word or doesn't come true.


 Quoting: Salt


These prophets are speaking about the coming judgement of God. How is that contradicting the Word? Maybe you and I are reading a different Bible because mine says that judgement is coming and going to destroy the wicked and the earth, and that's what Jesus said too.

The wrath of God is coming! All who say it's not are in fact the real deceivers and the real false prophets because they tell people that there is no problem, there is no hell, there is no wrath, these aren't the end times, no such thing as sin, God won't hold anyone accountable, no punishment, and everything is fine and dandy. Peace and security.

Those are the people you should spend your time preaching against, not the messengers of God that call for repentance and holiness.

Come on sister, I thought you were smarter then this. I really did. I'm flabbergasted!

Maybe we shouldn't even discuss this further because I feel really upset by this because I considered you a friend. I'm just going to leave at that. I won't be back here again.

Peace.
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We are told Jesus will not be appearing to anyone on earth before the Second Coming. Until then he sends the Holy Ghost.
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the soul is the mind, the will, and the emotions.

point to your head. say, "this is my soul"
 Quoting: Salt


Aye. However it is by faith, not works, that we are saved from ourselves. Praise be to our heavenly father for he is the greatest good.

Romans 12:2 KJV

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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faith without works is dead.
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This is actually a play on words in the Greek which will not translate accurately into English. The closest I can come is: "Faith without works doesn't work."

Personally, I gain much understanding from "Faith that is not expressed in something [works] is a faith that is unresponsive to God [dead]."

And the opposite is true, too:

Works with out faith is equally dead, equally unresponsive to God.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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the soul is the mind, the will, and the emotions.

point to your head. say, "this is my soul"
 Quoting: Salt


Aye. However it is by faith, not works, that we are saved from ourselves. Praise be to our heavenly father for he is the greatest good.

Romans 12:2 KJV

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 Quoting: strategicdiscernment


faith without works is dead.
 Quoting: Salt


This is actually a play on words in the Greek which will not translate accurately into English. The closest I can come is: "Faith without works doesn't work."

Personally, I gain much understanding from "Faith that is not expressed in something [works] is a faith that is unresponsive to God [dead]."

And the opposite is true, too:

Works with out faith is equally dead, equally unresponsive to God.
 Quoting: Life and Love


hf
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The Epistle to the Romans, often shortened to Romans, is the sixth book in the New Testament.

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
 Quoting: Romans 12 (King James Version)


that says everyone prophecy according to your station (natural ability)

does it not?
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thanks!
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The Epistle to the Romans, often shortened to Romans, is the sixth book in the New Testament.

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
 Quoting: Romans 12 (King James Version)


that says everyone prophecy according to your station (natural ability)

does it not?
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natural ability, no. utilizing the gifts God gave them in specific capacities for the early church formation, yes.
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people lack understanding on what it meant to form the early church. and, people don't understand the significance of the completion of it AND of scripture. it all has meaning, significance, importance, purpose.
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"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."
Amos 3:7 (KJV)

For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:14-16 (KJV)

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:28 (KJV)

"But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth..."
Daniel 10:21a (KJV)

"...yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:"
Isaiah 30:20 (KJV)

"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading."
Nehemiah 8:8 (KJV)

"And they that understand among the people shall instruct many..."
Daniel 11:33 (KJV)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."
Amos 3:7 (KJV)

For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:14-16 (KJV)

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:28 (KJV)

"But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth..."
Daniel 10:21a (KJV)

"...yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:"
Isaiah 30:20 (KJV)

"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading."
Nehemiah 8:8 (KJV)

"And they that understand among the people shall instruct many..."
Daniel 11:33 (KJV)
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yep, but all of that has ceased when the church was formed and scripture was completed. notice that all of those scriptures are from old testament books.
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people lack understanding on what it meant to form the early church. and, people don't understand the significance of the completion of it AND of scripture. it all has meaning, significance, importance, purpose.
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... and when the 6th seal is opened, thy cups shall be shorted with thee carbonated spirits and the fury will burn within the scorned hearts of men! - Revelation 9:16



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hf

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Sorry sister, but you're wrong. I HAVE heard personally from Jesus, several times. He is my shepherd and I know His voice. ..His VOICE. It is actually heard, not just occasionally read in the Book. When I don't know something, I ask questions. We're allowed to ask you know.
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i didn't say it. scripture did. so what you mean is that scripture is in error.

you say scripture is in error and that you are special to have heard from Jesus personally, even though we are taught that scripture is complete and perfect and there are no more prophets.

yeah...ok
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You see through the glass darkly as do all. Debating scripture can be very tedious and unproductive. I disagree with your interpretation. Why don't you just ask God. That will settle it.
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the scriptures are plain to see. i did ask God, and this is where i was led. God speaks to us thru His word. period.
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Scripture is God breathed.

You will need the help of the Holy Spirit to understand it......but God promises wisdom to those who ask for it in faith (James Chp 1)


And the Word become flesh.....and dwelt amongst us.


For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are One.
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regarding Lisa's thread on Chuck Youngbrandt, the false prophet - she denies that he dates his prophecies and i have shown her numerous documents where he most certainly dated his prophecies and they have failed. he covers his own ass by saying that "prayer can prevent any of these coming judgments from God."

yeah...ok...

here are some more from the Wilcox Report/June 2005:

One lead-in event is believed to be a major earthquake (7-8 Magnitude) striking LOS ANGELES, California on October 7tlt. This will be followed two years later by:
* Major hurricane slamming into the Southeastern U.S. in the month of September (likely September 9th)
* Major earthquake in St. Louis (effects Chicago on a Sept. 19th)
* Major 7 to 8+ magnitude earthquake striking San Francisco on October 23rd
* Accidental nuclear exchange happens following the October 23rd earthquake and will come in the month of December (likely December 14th destroying Lexington, KY; Richmond, VA; Columbia, SC; and heavily damaging New York, NY
* Iran attacks U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia
* Red China attacking and invading Taiwan
* North Korea launching a full-fledged invasion of South Korea
* 3 volcanoes exploding like a string of firecrackers on the West Coast of the U.S.
* The Philippines turning blood red (suggesting a great slaughter)
* Japan was seen trembling, but it seemed more to do with "fear" of a rising and aggressive Red Chinese military power

The above noted judgment events will precede a two year count down to the Full Judgment Phase.

EARTHQUAKE MIDWEST - ST. LOUIS. MISSOURI/CHICAGO, ILLINOIS The hurricane in Corpus Christi is a clear warning that the Midwest U.S.A is next for a major earthquake that can (based on what JESUS revealed to Chuck-JOHNEL in 1980) kill upwards of 50,000 in the St. Louis, Missouri, area alone. This killer quake will cause massive destruction in St. Louis and Chicago (estimated to be either a 6.7 or 7.6 Richter intensity earthquake). It is known that this major Midwest earthquake is expected to strike on September 19th, probably in 2008. When the major earthquake hits the Midwest on September 19th, this will signal that the 2-year countdown to Nuclear World War III is on. It will also signal that the 'accidental nuclear exchange' between Russia and the U.S. will happen in this same year (in the month of December, believed to be December 14th).

THE TINY STAR VISIONS (At this time, this is a vision yet to be fulfilled, and intercessory prayers and prayer warriors are much needed.) From 1979 through to 19911994 the Lord JESUS has revealed that an object from outer space (an asteroid or comet) of size was headed for earth (on a collision course). Unless there was prayer to divert it away from the earth, it will impact North America with terrible force, killing hundreds of millions world wide and leaving civilizations ruined. This object appears to be 'extra judgments' meaning something added to the judgment picture that can also be removed through prayer (if 1,000 intercessors are found within a year's time of when the book "JESUS. HIS ANGEL AND ME" is published). If the TINY STAR hits the earth, it is likely to hit towards the end of the PRELUDE JUDGMENTS and before the FULL JUDGMENTS. It would not stop Nuclear World War III; rather it would only add to the suffering and death of man worldwide.

VISIONS OF 1983 Chuck-JOHNEL had the following vision on October 14, 1983:

He saw US. fleets in the Arabian Sea and US. troops pouring into the Persian Gulf region and into Saudi Arabia. Chuck-JOHNEL then saw a missile fired from Iran which streaked over the Persian Gulf and hit Darahan, Saudi Arabia, where the U.S. keeps its' military equipment and where US. troops would stage for a war in this area. The heart of the U.S. Military and its' equipment will be destroyed in one nuclear blast. Our army will go over and not come back.

Chuck-JOHNEL also saw Russia invading Iran in this year (2005).

North Korea is seen attacking and invading South Korea.

Red China attacks and then invades Taiwan.

Japan shakes. This is either an earthquake or representative of fear over the resurgence of Red China as a major military power and threat to them.

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Lisa is going ape-shit on me when i put this proof in her thread.

love ya Lisa, but i am going to get this out there one way or the other.
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Stan Johnson and the Great Prophetic Oil Stock Scam

[link to www.apostasywatch.com]

Stan Johnson is the founder and director of The Prophecy Club, a radio program and speakers bureau which he claims is dedicated to providing "information and products with a prophetic warning message to win souls to Jesus, and call people to repentance" Only a brief listen to the Prophecy Club warnings will confirm they do offer a great many products. As for preaching the gospel to the lost, well, not so much.

Johnsons Prophecy Club almost went under after Y2K failed to produce the collapse of America that Johnson had been predicting for years. From about 1997 Johnson hosted a seemingly unending stream of false prophets and doomsayers claiming that the end was nigh and Y2K would be the catalyst for everything from a stock market collapse, a nuclear attack on America, and even Armageddon itself. So sure was he of impending doom that Johnson helpfully allowed his listeners to purchase Y2K survival supplies directly from the Prophecy Club. Supplies by the way which he was buying from a well known online survival gear company. All Johnson did was mark up the products and offer them to his listeners at inflated prices in order to line his own pockets.

When the dreaded date passed without causing so much as a dead flashlight battery, many listeners abandoned the Prophecy Club, rightly concluding that Johnson was a false prophet and a promoter of false prophets.
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Demons can whispher in your ear.....in a very nice way.

People assume that they are special.....and that these messages are coming from God.


And they do not want to insult God......by thinking that the special messages are not from Him.


Once you depart from the Scriptures which God has given us........it is very easy to be tossed about.......and distracted into areas that interfere with your growth.....and things which can even bring offense to the cross.


Just one error......and it is not coming from God. You are a false prophet. The punishment for this during the time of the Old Covenant was very severe.


Christ Himself gave the Revelation for the church.....a glimpse into end time events. He is not the author of confusion. He will help you to understand it.... if you ask Him.


It begins with several chapters of very stern warnings to the church.......so take note.
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the soul is the mind, the will, and the emotions.

point to your head. say, "this is my soul"
 Quoting: Salt


Aye. However it is by faith, not works, that we are saved from ourselves. Praise be to our heavenly father for he is the greatest good.

Romans 12:2 KJV

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 Quoting: strategicdiscernment


faith without works is dead.
 Quoting: Salt


This is actually a play on words in the Greek which will not translate accurately into English. The closest I can come is: "Faith without works doesn't work."

Personally, I gain much understanding from "Faith that is not expressed in something [works] is a faith that is unresponsive to God [dead]."

And the opposite is true, too:

Works with out faith is equally dead, equally unresponsive to God.
 Quoting: Life and Love


There is no such thing as faith without works.

However,

There is a such thing as no faith, and therefore no works.

Where there is one whom surrenders completely to faith, works always follow.
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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The Prophecy Club has had problems since the beginning with their long and distinguished list of false prophets with failed prophecies. not to mention their money grubbing and false doctrine that's going on.


anybody who listens to that show is seriously deluding themselves.

[link to www.seekgod.ca]
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Demons can whispher in your ear.....in a very nice way.

People assume that they are special.....and that these messages are coming from God.


And they do not want to insult God......by thinking that the special messages are not from Him.


Once you depart from the Scriptures which God has given us........it is very easy to be tossed about.......and distracted into areas that interfere with your growth.....and things which can even bring offense to the cross.


Just one error......and it is not coming from God. You are a false prophet. The punishment for this during the time of the Old Covenant was very severe.


Christ Himself gave the Revelation for the church.....a glimpse into end time events. He is not the author of confusion. He will help you to understand it.... if you ask Him.


It begins with several chapters of very stern warnings to the church.......so take note.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23257613


the punishment is still severe. not to mention it is glorifying satan and giving him a serious foothold and wide/broad territory for him to tread.
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The Prophecy Club has had problems since the beginning with their long and distinguished list of false prophets with failed prophecies. not to mention their money grubbing and false doctrine that's going on.


anybody who listens to that show is seriously deluding themselves.

[link to www.seekgod.ca]
 Quoting: Salt


"Every false prophecy, every false prophet, failed prediction or vision done as a presentation of ' Biblical prophecy' or 'thus saith the Lord', every failed date setting on prophecy to be fulfilled, the inexcusably errant scholarship with claims of proficiency, every denial of the person of Jesus Christ and every rejection of the authenticity of the Scriptures (as with Michael Rood), every promotion of false doctrine and so on brings harm and shame to the Body of Christ. Promotion of false prophets is not Biblical. And that is the bottom line."

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