All you need is FAITH, HOPE and LOVE to live pleasing to God. 7 times it's repeated. Prophecy, tongues & words of knowledge have passed away

the term for the charismatic/pentacostal movement of tongues, prophecy and word of knowledge not being ceased as it is written clearly in scripture is called CONTINUATIONISM.

it is a cult and it is satanic.

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Continuists also believe that the Scriptures alone do not enable Christians to reach perfection and that such a state would be when they are in their glorified bodies in heaven. The completed canon does not give to them perfect or complete knowledge since only God can possess that.

Word of knowledge and revelation from God go hand in hand!

You have the Holy Spirit living inside of you, the omnipotent God. And you don't think he can give you a word for someone?

Last Sunday I had a man with immense back pain, couldn't even stand up straight and could barely walk come up to me at the end of our morning service asking for prayer. I commanded healing in the name of Jesus and he started jumping and dancing around! The Holy Spirit still heals. And then I gave him a word from God that spoke to his heart and brought him to tears. God is good and still works today. Open your heart to the holy spirit and just ask for it.

Words of knowledge and prophecy are satanic? How can something evil and from satan be used to edify and strengthen the church? once again that makes no sense.

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Question 9. Why would God allow Dedicated Christians to experience the sign and revelatory gifts if they are not from Him?

Many evangelical churches have lapsed into cold, lifeless formalism. They may be doctrinally right, but they have lost their fervent love and zeal for God. If a charismatic church has a high regard for the Bible, prayer, soul winning zeal and a willingness to attempt great things for God, then this fills a void left by dead Churches. Among these good things there resides a deceiving cancer that undermines the good that is being done. This cancer is the matter of new revelations from God of tongues, prophecy, words of knowledge, visions or dreams.

Neil Babcox, a former charismatic pastor left the charismatic church becaue of this issue. He says

"When a prophet said "Thus saith the Lord", he meant that the very Word of God was being proclaimed, with infallibility, purity and divine authority. The prophecies that I had spoken and heard others speak paled and diminished to the point of nothingness compare with the Bible.

Ezekiel protested, "Thus saith the Lord God, "Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!" Ezekiel 13:3.

Isn't that what we were - "prophets who had seen nothing?"

When the genuine prophets of God spoke, they spoke with certainty regarding every word. This finds no parallel today. The Bible's prophets knew with 100% certainty that they were speaking the very words of God.

"The spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me." Ezekiel 2:2

Many who prophesy and claim to speak new revelations from God today know in their own hearts that they don't have the certainty of the Bible prophets, yet they continue to speak "new" revelations.

"Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination and a thing of nought, and the decit of their heart". Jeremiah 14:14.

"I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name....they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart". Jeremiah 23:25,26.

It is no small thing to claim to speak new revelation from God, given the deception of Mormon prophecy.

This emphasis on new revelation undermines the authority of Scripture. Dave Hunt rebukes the positive and possibility thinking of Paul Yonggi Cho and Robert Schuller with their occultish visualisation techniques, temptation to power and deification of man which is invading the church.

Charismatics teach that a proper understanding of Scripture does not come through correct interpretation, but through revelation (only to certain leaders), and that these new revelations supplement the Bible, and that these must be accepted as a "great move of God".

Charismatics often say: "...we have revelation knowledge as God continues to speak to His people". This sounds really spiritual, but it is adding to Scripture.

Because the Scriptures are perfect, we cannot add to them.

John Wimber states: "rational control (of the mind) must be forfeited for tongues speaking to occur, for ecstatic worship, for messages from God to be received directly into the mind, and for miraculous healings to happen".

Charismatics Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin's heresies were exposed in "The Agony of Deceit".

Kenneth Copeland claimed that Jesus spoke new revelation to him, saying: "Jesus did not come to earth as God , but only as a man; Jesus never claimed to be God during his earthly ministry."

John White, a famous author, claims that Jesus Christ personally appeared to him on three occasions to give new revelation that would become part of Scripture.

Question 10: Why would God allow dedicated Christians to experience and give in to influences that are not from Him?

Answer: Every moment of his life, the Christian must battle spiritually with the world, the flesh and the devil. This is part of the maturing process. All believers are tempted with pride, worry, fear, sin and disobedience. Does God allow believers to sin? Yes, of course.

"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation, for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him". James 1:12.

The Lord allows us to test every experience by Scripture, or to go by our feelings. God will allow us to be tempted in all forms. This includes the temptation to depart from Scripture by believing false revelations. Signs and wonders can have sources other than God (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; II Thessalonians 2:9,10; Revelation 13:13,14; Matthew 24:24).

Jesus warns four times of deception at the end of the Church age in Matthew 24.

If a Christian swaps the sword of the Spirit, and takes up feelings or human reasoning, he opens himself up to satan's deception.

Many Christians in dead churches know very little scripture. In daily struggles with sin and temptation, believers are most vulnerable to the attraction of false instant spirituality. Rather than live by the Word of God for victory, one may seek the apparent short cut of tongues, prophecy, power evangelism, healing, etc as the answer to his problems.

Charismatic leaders who criticise Bible teachers who urge careful study of the Bible, are hence criticising the legitimate spiritual gift of teaching. They urge charismatics to follow them without questioning their interpretation. They oppose non-charismatics by asking: "Who did God use, the educated Pharisees or the simple apostles?" They thus forget II Timothy 2:15

"Study to show thyself approved unto God...rightly dividing the word of truth".

Along the way we all have difficult times, as seen by Elijah under the Juniper tree (I Kings 19:4,5), David fleeing from Saul, Paul's beatings, etc. Don't seek a quick fix to gain instant spirituality. The devil offered Jesus a short cut to earth's kingdoms by avoiding the cross. The devil will offer us many short cuts seeming to easily solve our problems. We must stick to the basics: study the Word, pray, confess sin, yield to Christ, abide in Christ, and take up the cross daily. These require work, watching and warfare.

Don't swap the Word of God for an experience.

The main damaging side effect of charismaticism is the welcoming and accepting of heretics, apostates, nominal Christians and Roman Catholics into the Church. A person can pray to Mary, then speak in tongues, thus being accepted into many charismatic fellowships. Charismatics emphasis unity at the expense of doctrine.

Question 11: Why would God allow dedicated Christians to continue in error and deception to their hurt or spiritual detriment?

Answer: I Kings 13 reveals that even a dedicated and fearless prophet of God must suffer the consequences when he chooses deception over the clear revelation of God.

An unnamed man of God (v.1) was sent to Bethel "by the Word of the Lord" to prophesy against King Jeroboam and his idolatry (v.1-3). When the King tried to arrest the prophet, the King's hand withered (v.4,5). He begged the man of God to intercede to God to restore his hand. (v.6). The man of God showed mercy, prayed to God and Jeroboam's hand was restored. Then King Jeroboam offered him a reward (v.7) but the man of God refused (v3-10).

Why? He refused to stop for food because the clear revelation of God forbad him from receiving food or drink or retracing his steps (v.9). So far he had walked in complete obedience to the Word of God. He had passed the tests of:

1. Fear because he had boldly carried out his job of proclaiming God's Word to the King.

2. Compassion/Mercy. He had not allowed the King's threats to dry up his mercy. He willingly, lovingly prayed for Jeroboam's hand to be restored without revenge.

3. The test of faithfulness to God over human favour had been overcome, because he turned down the King's offer of hospitality and reward .

4. The test of deception, was the final test which he sadly failed.

Why? God had clearly told him not to receive hospitality, but he rejected the clear revelation of the Word of God for a new revelation, and it cost him his life.

There was an old prophet living nearby who heard about his faithful stand. The old prophet had lived in compromise at Bethel and invited the man of God home to dine with him (v.11-15).

The man of God refused saying that he was under strict orders from God not to eat, drink or retrace his steps (v.16.17). The old prophet replied in v.18

"I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the Lord, saying, bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him."

Why did he lie" We are not told.

a) Maybe he was envious at seeing a true prophet faithfully discharge his duties, when he had lived in compromise.

b) Maybe he resented the man of God and had a convicted conscience.

The old prophet claimed a new revelation from God. The man of God had to decide:

a) Would he accept at face value the new revelation, or

b) Would he continue to cling to God's previous revelation?

Sadly, the once fearless and faithful prophet succumbed to deception. And God allowed this to happen to a dedicated man of God. Why? Because in our pilgrimage on earth, there will always be the choice to follow the clear teaching of God's Word, or to replace it with the shallow promises, prophecies and deceptions of man.

The man of God retraced his steps back to the home of the old prophet and ate with him (v.19). Over the meal, the old prophet revealed that because the man of God had disobeyed the Word of God, he would die (v.20-22).

And that is exactly what happened (V.23-26) because a lion slew him in the way.

From this we see that if God allowed a dedicated prophet of God to choose between the clear teaching of the Lord and deception, surely the Lord will let us have this choice today. Many Christians suffer poor spiritual lives because they give up the Word of God, and embrace teachers who prophesy or give new revelations of their own spirit.

Question 12: But why doesn't God step in and chasten His children to woo them back to obedience? (Hebrews 12).

Answer: The Holy Spirit and the Word of God continually call the believer to faithfulness and obedience (Phil.2:12,13). Deception and impoverishment are the bitter fruits of turning away from the Word of God. Sometimes God will allow His children to remain deceived as a chastisement until they turn again in submission to the Word of God. Their salvation in Christ is secure through Christ's blood sacrifice. They may serve the Lord faithfully in other areas and even be used successfully by God, but they will miss god's best blessings on earth and they will lose rewards in heaven.

God will allow believers to choose whether to glorify Christ through submission and obeying scripture or to rebel. For dedicated servants of God who put aside the clear revelation of God and embrace new revelations, in this life they will be deceived and impoverished, and in the next life they will suffer loss of rewards at the judgment seat of Christ (II Corinthians 5-10).

Examples of charismatic deception are tongues, false healings, new revelations, words of knowledge spoken about other people, slaying in the "spirit", "Toronto" experience, etc. Consider briefly these two examples:

Slaying People in the Spirit is a Charismatic invention whereby hands are laid on a person's head and they lose consciousness, causing them to fall backwards onto the floor. THIS IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, so forget it. Laying hands on people is well known in the occult as a means of transferring demons. It is more likely demonically influenced and all the more reason why we should avoid this movement.

Surrender of Mind and Emotions to Group Pressure. On entering a Charismatic meeting, we meet many people dancing, throwing arms in the air, speaking in tongues, on an emotional high and appearing very happy. The average Christian realises that he is not always like this, nor is the church from which he has come (which is made to appear dead and lifeless in comparison). He and his church are made to feel inferior and below what God expects. He has always had thoughts that his Christian life hasn't always been as good as it ought to have been. He immediately concludes that these people have a one-shot-sure-fire-answer to spirituality when they ask him if he has been baptised in the Holy Spirit or spoken in tongues. If he is not careful, he will assume that these people are right, without studying the Bible or without praying the issue through. He may then agree to speak in tongues, which makes the Charismatics very happy. He feels much love, acceptance and unity as a result, all because of an experience that he has had. He then begins his Christian life by making his experience the authority on which he determines spiritual truth, and not the Bible. He then defends his decision logically by saying what wonderful love and unity these people have and "power" (false albeit). He asks, "how can they be wrong when they show such qualities?"

if it is false, it doesnt edify the church.

it may seem right now, but over time and in the big picture, it is false and glorifies satan.

remember, in the last days of the church there will be major deception. deception is not easy to spot. its extremely tricky. thats the whole point.

This is just Hebrew vs Greek thought man. Taste and see that the Lord is good.

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haha, um...no.

good try tho. but, sadly, no cigar for you.

Bro, God has a million-billion good things to say about you and I think I can guess one of them.

experience vs knowledge

Hebrew vs Greek

Hold on a second... Are you a Jo-ho?

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LIST OF GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT (the ones in red are ceased):

**NOTE: "Word of Knowledge" is not in this list.**

The Gifts in Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12, and Ephesians 4

1. Prophecy (Rom. 12:6; 1 Cor. 12:10, 28-29; 14:1-40; Eph. 4:11)--The ability to receive and proclaim a message from God. This could involve the foretelling of future events, though its primary purpose as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:3 is forthtelling: one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouragement, and consolation. This gift provides a word from God to a specific group, not the normative Word of God to all believers. Some maintain that prophecy is still operative in this sense today, while others say that the nearest current equivalent is Spirit-empowered preaching.

2. Service (Rom. 12:7)--The ability to identify and care for the physical needs of the body through a variety of means. The Greek word for this gift is the same as that for ministry or deacon, but the gift should not be confused with the office.

3. Teaching (Rom. 12:7; 1 Cor. 12:28-29; Eph. 4:11)--The ability to clearly explain and effectively apply the truths of God's Word so that others will learn. This requires the capacity to accurately interpret Scripture, engage in necessary research, and organize the results in a way that is easily communicated.

4. Exhortation (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to motivate others to respond to the truth by providing timely words of counsel, encouragement, and consolation. When this gift is exercised, believers are challenged to stimulate their faith by putting God's truth to the test in their lives.

5. Giving (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to contribute material resources with generosity and cheerfulness for the benefit of others and the glory of God. Christians with this spiritual gift need not be wealthy.

6. Leadership (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to discern God's purpose for a group, set and communicate appropriate goals, and motivate others to work together to fulfill them in the service of God. A person with this gift is effective at delegating tasks to followers without manipulation or coercion.

7. Mercy (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to deeply empathize and engage in compassionate acts on behalf of people who are suffering physical, mental, or emotional distress. Those with this gift manifest concern and kindness to people who are often overlooked.

8. Wisdom (1 Cor. 12:8)--The ability to apply the principles of the Word of God in a practical way to specific situations and to recommend the best course of action at the best time. The exercise of this gift skillfully distills insight and discernment into excellent advice.

9. Knowledge (1 Cor. 12:8)--The ability to discover, analyze, and systematize truth for the benefit of others. With this gift, one speaks with understanding and penetration. Some also associate supernatural perception with this gift.

10. Faith (1 Cor. 12:9)--The ability to have a vision for what God wants to be done and to confidently believe that it will be accomplished in spite of circumstances and appearances to the contrary. The gift of faith transforms vision into reality.

11. Healing (1 Cor. 12:9, 28, 30)--The ability to serve as a human instrument through whom God supernaturally cures illnesses and restores health. The possessor of this gift is not the source of power, but a vessel who can only heal those diseases the Lord chooses to heal. Inner healing, or healing of memories is sometimes associated as another manifestation of this gift.

12. Miracles (1 Cor. 12:10, 28, 29)--The ability to serve as an instrument through whom God accomplishes acts that manifest supernatural power. Miracles bear witness to the presence of God and the truth of His proclaimed Word, and appear to occur most frequently in association with missionary activity.

13. Distinguishing of spirits (1 Cor. 12:10)--The ability to clearly discern the spirit of truth and the spirit of error (cf. 1 John 4:6). With this gift, one can distinguish reality versus counterfeits, the divine versus the demonic, true versus false teaching, and in some cases, spiritual versus carnal motives.

14. Tongues (1 Cor. 12:10, 28, 30; 14:1-40)--The ability to receive and impart a spiritual message in a language the recipient never learned. For other members of the body to be edified, this message must be interpreted either by the recipient (1 Cor. 14:13) or by another person with the gift of interpretation (1 Cor. 14:26-28).

Because of the controversial nature of this gift, here are several observations:

a. Paul qualified the public use of this gift, stating that in a meeting of the church, two or at

the most three could speak in a tongue, it must be done in turn, and a person with the

gift of interpretation must be present so that the body would be edified (1 Cor. 14:26-

28).

b. There are a number of differences between the manifestation of tongues at Pentecost

(Acts 2:1-13) and its use in Corinth (1 Cor. 14), and these differences suggest that

the two are not identical (see J. Oswald Sanders, The Holy Spirit and His Gifts, p. 125).

c. In his list of spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:28, Paul spoke of kinds of tongues.

This, coupled with the statements in 1 Corinthians 14:2, 4, 14-15, 28 has led many to

distinguish a private use of tongues, often called a prayer language (1 Cor. 14:14-15),

from the public use of tongues which must be interpreted. Paul wrote that if there is no

interpreter, he should be silent in the church. Let him speak to himself and to God (1

Cor. 14:28).

d. This gift is easily counterfeited and often abused. It can be a source of spiritual pride,

excessive preoccupation, and divisiveness.

e. Contrary to some teaching, tongues are not the only sign of the filling of the Spirit, and

not all believers are to manifest this gift (1 Cor. 12:17-19,30).

15. Interpretation of tongues (1 Cor. 12:10, 30; 14:5, 13, 26-28)--The ability to translate into the vernacular a message publicly uttered in a tongue. This gift may be combined with the gift of tongues (1 Cor. 14:13), or it can operate separately (1 Cor. 14:26-28).

16. Apostleship (1 Cor. 12:28,29; Eph. 4:11)--In the New Testament, the apostles were not limited to the Twelve, but included Paul, Barnabas, Andronicus, Junias, and others as well (Acts 14:14; Rom. 16:7; 1 Cor. 15:5,7; 1 Thess. 2:6). If the requirement for the office of apostle includes having seen the resurrected Jesus (Acts 1:22; 1 Cor. 9:1), this office ceased to exist by the second century. However, many believe that the gift of apostleship continues to be given. As a spiritual gift, this is the ability to begin and/or to oversee new churches and Christian ministries with a spontaneously recognized authority.

17. Helps (1 Cor. 12:28)--The ability to enhance the effectiveness of the ministry of other members of the body. This is the only usage of this word in the New Testament, and it appears to be distinct from the gift of service. Some suggest that while the gift of service is more group-oriented, the gift of helps is more person-oriented.

18. Administration (1 Cor. 12:28)--This word, like helps, appears only one time in the New Testament, and it is used outside of Scripture of a helmsman who steers a ship to its destination. This suggests that the spiritual gift of administration is the ability to steer a church or Christian organization toward the fulfillment of its goals by managing its affairs and implementing necessary plans. A person may have the gift of leadership without the gift of administration.

19. Evangelism (Eph. 4:11)--The ability to be an unusually effective instrument in leading unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Christ. Some with this gift are most effective in personal evangelism, while others may be used by God in group evangelism or cross-cultural evangelism.

20. Shepherd or pastor (Eph. 4:11)--Peter was commissioned by Christ to shepherd His sheep (John 21:16), and Peter exhorted the elders in the churches of Asia Minor to do the same (1 Pet. 5:2; cf. Acts 20:28). A person with this spiritual gift has the ability to personally lead, nourish, protect, and care for the needs of a flock of believers. Not all people with the office of pastor (elder, overseer) have or need the gift of pastoring or shepherding, and many with this gift do not have or need the office.

what's a jo-ho?

if you are suggesting i am a je w for Jesus, you are wrong.

Jehovah's Witness. Sorry.

no i am not a Jehovah's Witness.
They are part of the false prophet movement/cult.
i strongly advocate against them.

In addition to problems with flimsy financial prophets I have issues with those who follow Chuck Youngbrandt and any prophet who points to the current time frame are as follows.

First Chuck is saying exactly what the psychics are saying about “safe zones” and the safe zone are in the same areas. When “Psychics” and “money makers” say the same thing I can’t trust that because if the natural and satanist can discern it, then its not a word of the L-rd. When any prophet lists a “day” or an “hour” he is a false prophet. Yeshua said we can’t know the day or the hour. Youngbrandt has also been shown to be a false prophet. Some of his prophecies haven’t come to pass. If anyone says anything in the L-rds name and it doesn’t come to pass then they are a false prophet. G-d speaks first to His prophets not first to psychics and charlatans.

Anyone pointing to May 21, 2011 or Oct 21, 2011 are false prophets. Those are dates on the Mayan calendar leading up to December 21, 2011. Note the 21st. After the failed Y2K scare at the end of the second Millenium CE people feel the pressure to push towards an End Time count down. Much like many who around 1,000 common area sold all and quit their jobs thinking it was going to be the beginning of the millennial reign. It wasn’t and 2011 and 2012 won’t be. There a lot of people who believe and are convinced by the movies and TV shows that are pushing this illuminati agenda.

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Oh no! Someone abused something and used it for their own gain so therefore it makes it moot? That makes no sense.

The liberation theologists and other fatimites who want to 'build god's kingdom on earth' as a greater threat. Anyone can be wrong about the Bible or their other beliefs, it is when they are organized & active with some sort of agenda (other than just lining their pockets) that this becomes a problem for us all. They want to take over and convert everyone else or ethnic cleanse them and have been doing so.

Thread: God is preparing non-Catholic Christians for the Great Warning

Just curious, who told you about this "Ininite Consciousness" that we're all pleasing to?

good question

Found something we agree on!

yes, but i am sure that our definitions of "soul" are two different things.

Cult and Satanic??? Then every little or large group can be considered a cult, and as far as anything being satanic - nonsence...

The way of the galaxy is polarity... The lightsiders gain their strength and purpose from being lightsiders...

The darksiders gain their strength and purpose from being darksiders...

Both polarity's think they are correct in their stance, and will war with each other constantly to bolster their position...

Well, welcome to the eternal loop, if you participate... In the big picture, neither polarity defeats the other...

So, go ahead, take up your sword and be a warrior for jesus, god whatever... Spew lot's of rhetoric... You cannot win, because you are simply strengthening the other polarity...

Remember, for every action, there is a re-action, and for every re-action, there is an action, and on and on and on and on and on and on >>>>>>>>>

Shhh, don't ruin a good thing! : P

Plus I'm not even sure what my definition of a soul is.

This is a lie, the very same taught by the serpent in the garden of eden. "You will become as gods." and the new agers teach this very same nonsense.

God does not come from 'within man', but from without. Only through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.











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This is a really good question for everyone...

Just what is the/your definition of soul...

The many safeguards instilled by those who are programmed by religion is astounding...

Going within, is the only way to gain ground in understanding who you are...

I notice you did not watch any of the movies since it only took you a few minutes to post. Typical, you only want to hear people who are agreeable... as is with most of those who are of man and of this world.

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