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Wow.. Just wow..
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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I thought you were dead, Karl.
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Good ideas never die.
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20 million died in the USSR for this idea you love that didn't work.

40 to 70 million died in China for it.

3 million in Cambodia died for it.

An unknown number have died in Cuba for it.

IOW, your Marxist idea isn't a good idea - in fact it is a terrible idea that killed more people than any other idea in known history.
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Actually I have read Marx...have you read Adam Smith?..and that is not what happens under capitalism..you have an opportunity to get ahead..under socialism that opportunity does not exist for the individual.

fuckhead.
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Yes, I've read Adam Smith. Capitalism produces a highly stratified society, with the many have-nots working for the few haves. If your claim about socialism were true, then why do several northern European countries have a higher level of social mobility than the U.S.? We actually have the lowest level of socialism in the industrialized west, and the lowest social mobility.
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Those societies aren't exactly multi-cultural now are they?
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Of course they are, Europe is more diverse than the U.S.
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And the people don't like it.


Anytime you want to explain why when Adolf Hitler absolutely CRUSHED Marxism with an iron fist and rejected everything thing about it unemployment was eliminated, prices remained stable, private property was respected, national health was never better, and technological advancements were beyond anything Communism, Marxism, Anarchism, or Social Democratic Capitalism [Capitalism is Left Wing, shit head, and always has been] have ever produced.
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Some here obviously favor this idea.

SImply put, no profits means no jobs ---- ever.

No profits means no private businesses because no one would ever invest in them. Those who did would only hire family to keep whatever money is made in the home.

No ownership of land or homes also means everything gets trashed because no one feels responsible for it.

Of course, if there are no jobs, then there is nothing to tax so there would be no more "free" benefits because there would be no one to pay for those benefits.

Two fine examples of no profits is N. Korea where people regularly starve to death each winter altho no one really has a good count of just how many. The other is Castro's Cuba living in a 1950's time warp and where the people vote with their feet and get on anything that floats to get away from there.

And you just can't beat the old Soviet Union for dismal, worker housing units that are comparable to the housing projects that most cities in the USA have been getting rid of.

Even China, as devoted to communism and totalitarianism as the government is, recognizes that profits are what has gotten at least half of their massive population out of starvation level poverty and is making the other half quite well off.
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Yes, I've read Adam Smith. Capitalism produces a highly stratified society, with the many have-nots working for the few haves. If your claim about socialism were true, then why do several northern European countries have a higher level of social mobility than the U.S.? We actually have the lowest level of socialism in the industrialized west, and the lowest social mobility.
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Those societies aren't exactly multi-cultural now are they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14093481


Of course they are, Europe is more diverse than the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


And the people don't like it.


Anytime you want to explain why when Adolf Hitler absolutely CRUSHED Marxism with an iron fist and rejected everything thing about it unemployment was eliminated, prices remained stable, private property was respected, national health was never better, and technological advancements were beyond anything Communism, Marxism, Anarchism, or Social Democratic Capitalism [Capitalism is Left Wing, shit head, and always has been] have ever produced.
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if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

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"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Gary Allen

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY
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if EVERYONE could earn 1 billion $ and EVERYONE could afford to have a Rolls-Royce - there's no problem in it.

but only if EVERYONE gets it, equal distribution. If it's NOT that way (not equal) - NOONE should get it.
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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Hi Karl. How's hell treating you?
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"Hell" is being forced to sell one's labor to capitalists simply to survive.
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Then don't karl, go on welfare or work for yourself as countless others do.
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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I thought you were dead, Karl.
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Good ideas never die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


20 million died in the USSR for this idea you love that didn't work.

40 to 70 million died in China for it.

3 million in Cambodia died for it.

An unknown number have died in Cuba for it.

IOW, your Marxist idea isn't a good idea - in fact it is a terrible idea that killed more people than any other idea in known history.
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Shhh....
You are trying to explain FACTS to a gullible fool.
Every wanna-be tyrant needs useful idiots.
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if EVERYONE could earn 1 billion $ and EVERYONE could afford to have a Rolls-Royce - there's no problem in it.

but only if EVERYONE gets it, equal distribution. If it's NOT that way (not equal) - NOONE should get it.
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If "Everyone" made $1 Billion, then the Rolls would cost you $550, Billion.

And a Big Mac would be around $4 million dollars
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bringing Hitler as an argument is a gross illustration how far to the "right" can Reps go...

it's no surprise Dems are "instinctively left-wing" (''communists'', if you will) - why would common people vote against their interests, since they are not part of the "1%"?!

most common people would be "instinctively left", if you ask them about definite steps and policies not names, -isms or ideologies. it has been so everywhere and in all times - no man in their right mind would support the rulers, "masters". if they do - theyre either a shill, or theyre fooled ito believing the "master's" tale (like many Americans are) and Ukrainians too btw).
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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I thought you were dead, Karl.
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Good ideas never die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


20 million died in the USSR for this idea you love that didn't work.

40 to 70 million died in China for it.

3 million in Cambodia died for it.

An unknown number have died in Cuba for it.

IOW, your Marxist idea isn't a good idea - in fact it is a terrible idea that killed more people than any other idea in known history.
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Just to emphasize the point, these millions of people were murdered by the communist regimes. By their own government. Communists murder,starve and destroy people's lives, individuality and hope.

That is and always will be the ievitable result of this "good idea".
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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How are workers exploited if they VOLUNTARILY agree to work for what employers are willing to pay them for?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." I happen to be good at math, does that mean I should be forced into being an actuary? Also, how do we determine who needs what more? And how do we decide who gets things first? Do we not distribute consumer goods until there is enough of them for everyone? What if we mass produced an automobile that gets 20 MPG and, by the time we make enough automobiles for everyone, better technology allowed us to produce an automobile that gets 100 MPG? Do we simply destroy all the automobiles that get 20 MPG and begin building enough automobiles that get 100 MPG for everybody?

If we're all equal, in every possible way, then no one should be allowed to access what others can not access. People who are crippled can not swim. Does that mean we should not allow anyone to swim? How is it fair that some of us can go swimming, while others can not?

Private ownership, in general, will always lead to things being better cared for than if they were owned by the public. For example, did you ever draw on a desk or make scribbles in a textbook? It's not your desk or textbook, what do you care? Do you think most individuals would damage those desks or textbooks if those desks and textbooks were their own, which they had to work to pay for?
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The workers only receive a fraction of the value their labor creates. The capitalist keeps the lion's share. This is exploitation. Labor creates all of the material wealth in society, while capital creates nothing by itself. Of course not all property should be held in common, only the property used to generate goods and services for commerce.
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Of course the "capitalist" keeps the lion's share. It was the capitalist's idea to produce a certain product or service that society demands. Think about Bill Gates. Because of Bill Gates, and a few others like him, we can now talk to people from anywhere in the world. Commerce can now be conducted more efficiently and less costly. Bill Gates was only able to get wealthy because his invention was something that billions of people on the globe wanted. His technological advancements have benefitted mankind much greater than any monetary donation he's ever made to charity (obviously donating to charity is very noble). For his great ideas, Bill Gates does deserve to be handsomely rewarded. We want to encourage people to shoot for the stars, not be content with mediocrity.
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Good answer
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if EVERYONE could earn 1 billion $ and EVERYONE could afford to have a Rolls-Royce - there's no problem in it.

but only if EVERYONE gets it, equal distribution. If it's NOT that way (not equal) - NOONE should get it.
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If "Everyone" made $1 Billion, then the Rolls would cost you $550, Billion.

And a Big Mac would be around $4 million dollars
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isnt money supposed to represent all value existing and created in society?

then why there is scarcity of money? why isnt there enough money for everyone?

obviously, there IS enough water and food and place for everyone in this world. this planet could support even more than it currently does. but something artificial that people created for means of easier exchange - money - is somehow scarce...

weird, isnt it?
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I read Marx (Capital and its works of sociology and philosophy). Li E Smith (The Wealth of Nations and The Theory of Moral Sentiments). Too many other economic and social thinkers. I love the ideas of the utilitarians. And my opinion is: we are selfish animals and no matter what kind of social organization. We always do the wrong thing. We need to ban religions and deliver the human ability to assert themselves. Develop the intellectual capacity and not perpetuate ignorance that makes us so stupid to the point of not divide what we have in excess. And how can anyone be happy being a millionaire knowing that 90% of the world population lives in poverty. Lack common sense. Sporting luxury and wealth in our world is a clear sign of ignorance and stupidity. Lack clarity and a greater sense of community. If Mandeville was right, then we admit our inability to be better than what we are.
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if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Modern day Capitalism, or Neo-Liberalism, working in concert with Marxists is directly responsible for the open borders situation we have in the Western World -- because above all it is focused on the free flow of goods, labor, and capital without regard for the State, Nation, or People. In other words, Marx's dream of eliminating the State and National Identity is just fine with Capitalists. Why wouldn't it be? It makes them money without having to do any actual work.

The main economic tenets of National Socialism/Fascism revolve around business's need to directly serve the NATIONAL interest and the elimination of debt-bearing currency to serve these National interests. It doesn't eliminate different classes because it doesn't seek the wholesale confiscation of property of accumulated wealth, but rather de-emphasizes the class struggle through the most logical means -- guaranteeing worker's rights. If you don't understand the basic concept of making sure worker's are treated fairly just so problems don't arise, you're out to lunch.
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if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Modern day Capitalism, or Neo-Liberalism, working in concert with Marxists is directly responsible for the open borders situation we have in the Western World -- because above all it is focused on the free flow of goods, labor, and capital without regard for the State, Nation, or People. In other words, Marx's dream of eliminating the State and National Identity is just fine with Capitalists. Why wouldn't it be? It makes them money without having to do any actual work.

The main economic tenets of National Socialism/Fascism revolve around business's need to directly serve the NATIONAL interest and the elimination of debt-bearing currency to serve these National interests. It doesn't eliminate different classes because it doesn't seek the wholesale confiscation of property of accumulated wealth, but rather de-emphasizes the class struggle through the most logical means -- guaranteeing worker's rights. If you don't understand the basic concept of making sure worker's are treated fairly just so problems don't arise, you're out to lunch.
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re: no state, no borders, free flow - OK, let's close all borders so that you cannot leave the USA, and everyone else in the world is a prisoner of his government in a cage with borders called state.

re: Fascism - this only proves Hitler had nothing to do with Socialism whatsoever. German Democratic Republic or Congo also called themselves a democracy. were they truely democratic?
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WTF are these supporters insane!!! they all drinking the kool aid so fkng comatose
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The problem is most people in America now are so stupid. This would work the exact same way if they did this the other way around at a RNC.

"Would you support banning unions, repealing minimum wage, removing anti-trust laws and allowing corporations to house and feed their 'employees'. They will get even more profit and that will be good for the economy"

You would get the same stupid herd following at an RNC.
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if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Modern day Capitalism, or Neo-Liberalism, working in concert with Marxists is directly responsible for the open borders situation we have in the Western World -- because above all it is focused on the free flow of goods, labor, and capital without regard for the State, Nation, or People. In other words, Marx's dream of eliminating the State and National Identity is just fine with Capitalists. Why wouldn't it be? It makes them money without having to do any actual work.

The main economic tenets of National Socialism/Fascism revolve around business's need to directly serve the NATIONAL interest and the elimination of debt-bearing currency to serve these National interests. It doesn't eliminate different classes because it doesn't seek the wholesale confiscation of property of accumulated wealth, but rather de-emphasizes the class struggle through the most logical means -- guaranteeing worker's rights. If you don't understand the basic concept of making sure worker's are treated fairly just so problems don't arise, you're out to lunch.
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you're all over the place in your replies. On Phens thread about the exact subject you said

So.. the local sandwich shop is going to make my sandwich for free?

Can some of you local union guys come on over and do some work on my house, sans profit?
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so do you support capitalism or not?

and..you seem to be claiming that libtards don't believe in diversity
"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Gary Allen

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY
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[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]
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Profits should be capped, damn straight. Tax them, because DC is obviously running a DEFICIT... Restricting profits levels the playing field for everyone, reduces waste and inefficiency. It will put a stop to consumerism and a lot of pollution, too.

Better yet: ABOLISH CORPORATISM. The US Constitution, Bill of Rights, is for Individuals, not corporations. That would reduce government and bureaucracy, all of which is mostly in support of corporations. Then, lobbyists and politicians will have to actually ~work for a living.
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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Yeah that worked out REAL great for the USSR.

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Restricting profits and/or abolishing Corporatism would also END MOST WARS, because our entire corporate economy is based mainly on warfare.

Restricting profits and/or abolishing Corporatism would also create nearly 100% employment, because everyone would have EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES under the Law.
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I think these videos about Democratic Communism that are coming out are great. It really illustrates what these people believe and marginalizes their support. Most Americans are still appalled by Communist.

Great Job Peter S and others who are making these vids.
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Almost none of those people who were interviewed were qualified to answer. Most of them didn't even understand what the word profit means.

A few advocated for CAPS, which really isn't a completely obscene idea. If you think about how non-profits work, what is wrong with that model. I'm not in any way in favor of outright caps, but as in the non-profit model, The CEO can only make a certain multiple of the lowest paid person. I think THAT is a good idea. They have to bring up the bottom with them.

That would actually drive even more innovation because then there would be more competition in the labor pool to get into the successful companies.
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if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Modern day Capitalism, or Neo-Liberalism, working in concert with Marxists is directly responsible for the open borders situation we have in the Western World -- because above all it is focused on the free flow of goods, labor, and capital without regard for the State, Nation, or People. In other words, Marx's dream of eliminating the State and National Identity is just fine with Capitalists. Why wouldn't it be? It makes them money without having to do any actual work.

The main economic tenets of National Socialism/Fascism revolve around business's need to directly serve the NATIONAL interest and the elimination of debt-bearing currency to serve these National interests. It doesn't eliminate different classes because it doesn't seek the wholesale confiscation of property of accumulated wealth, but rather de-emphasizes the class struggle through the most logical means -- guaranteeing worker's rights. If you don't understand the basic concept of making sure worker's are treated fairly just so problems don't arise, you're out to lunch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1421478


re: no state, no borders, free flow - OK, let's close all borders so that you cannot leave the USA, and everyone else in the world is a prisoner of his government in a cage with borders called state.

re: Fascism - this only proves Hitler had nothing to do with Socialism whatsoever. German Democratic Republic or Congo also called themselves a democracy. were they truely democratic?
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It has nothing to do with being a "prisoner" of your country. Lots of Germans traveled abroad during the Third Reich and plenty of foreigners visited Germany during that time. But borders are militarized, as they should be. They are patrolled, as they should be. You do need permission to enter the country, as it should be.

I like how you didn't even try to refute the argument I put forward this time, re. capitalism being left wing. Because it is. The goals of Marxists and Capitalists are the same and always have been -- the concentration of all global resources into their precious few hands, distributed according to their vision.

They don't like National Socialism because it eliminates their ponzi scheme debt system, it respects private property [those capitalists sure do like to use eminent domain when it works for them, don't they?], it creates self-sufficient Nations who look to meet all National needs at home before looking abroad for trade and material.

As for whether or not certain government are democratic or not, I don't really care. I don't like democracy and it isn't a desirable aspect of a nation. It never works, it always creates division, and in case you haven't noticed nobody in any "Democracy" ever votes on anything that matters. When's the last time a Western Democracy got to vote on whether or not it wanted it's country full of third world immigrants? When's the last time a Western Democracy got to vote on whether it was going to be part of the Capitalist/Communist wet dream that is NAFTA?
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Did Jesus believe in business profits?
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He sure did.
In fact he is the first capitalist.
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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Yeah that worked out REAL great for the USSR.

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USSR has nothing to do with it. Just admit you'd rather discriminate in favor of the 1% wealthy class. The class which is destroying our entire civilization, along with our habitat. The class which is devouring and/or hoarding most of our natural resources.
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Re: Peter Schiff trolls liberals at the DNC - Democrats agree that business profits should be banned or capped
They really don't have a clue what makes America tick do they?
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Re: Peter Schiff trolls liberals at the DNC - Democrats agree that business profits should be banned or capped
if that's true then why is the Dem platform identical to your heroes?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

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Modern day Capitalism, or Neo-Liberalism, working in concert with Marxists is directly responsible for the open borders situation we have in the Western World -- because above all it is focused on the free flow of goods, labor, and capital without regard for the State, Nation, or People. In other words, Marx's dream of eliminating the State and National Identity is just fine with Capitalists. Why wouldn't it be? It makes them money without having to do any actual work.

The main economic tenets of National Socialism/Fascism revolve around business's need to directly serve the NATIONAL interest and the elimination of debt-bearing currency to serve these National interests. It doesn't eliminate different classes because it doesn't seek the wholesale confiscation of property of accumulated wealth, but rather de-emphasizes the class struggle through the most logical means -- guaranteeing worker's rights. If you don't understand the basic concept of making sure worker's are treated fairly just so problems don't arise, you're out to lunch.
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you're all over the place in your replies. On Phens thread about the exact subject you said

So.. the local sandwich shop is going to make my sandwich for free?

Can some of you local union guys come on over and do some work on my house, sans profit?
Thread: Posing as an anti-business crusader, Peter Schiff found a number of DNC delegates and attendees who support explicitly outlawing profitability
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so do you support capitalism or not?

and..you seem to be claiming that libtards don't believe in diversity
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I support BUSINESS. I recognize that BUSINESS works and supports local communities. Restricting what someone is genuinely earning is immoral, but that doesn't mean I swallow the entire Capitalist agenda -- which, again, is at the highest levels IDENTICAL to Marxism.

Open borders, no State, concentration of wealth in fewer hands. There is no difference in practical application of these specific points between Capitalism and Marxism. They work in harmony to achieve these ends, and have often banded together to make aggressive and genocidal war on countries who would not subscribe to these ends [World War 2].

You'll have to point out to be where I'm claiming "libtards" don't support diversity. I haven't used the phrase the "libtard" at all, and have only mentioned open border immigration to explain how capitalists and marxists both go out of their way to support it and how both love diversity because it erodes the State, it erodes National identity, it erodes the People -- which are ends that both camps work towards feverishly.
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"As for whether or not certain government are democratic or not, I don't really care. I don't like democracy and it isn't a desirable aspect of a nation. It never works, it always creates division, and in case you haven't noticed nobody in any "Democracy" ever votes on anything that matters. When's the last time a Western Democracy got to vote on whether or not it wanted it's country full of third world immigrants? When's the last time a Western Democracy got to vote on whether it was going to be part of the Capitalist/Communist wet dream that is NAFTA?"

There's nothing wrong with Democracy. The problem is Congress legislates unConstitutionally. Probably 90% of our present laws are unConstitutional, thus NULL and VOID of legality. The country of Sweden in its early years of semi-socialist government, had ALL of its law recorded in ONE BOOK. That's what we need.

Examples of unConstitutional legislation (or its byproducts): Congress is OVERPAID, and their terms need to be sharply curtailed: no more career politicians who only represent the 1% wealthy of this country, and who do practically nothing of any use for the common people or for the good of this nation. The President is also OVERPAID and like Congress, represents only the wealthy. The Supreme Court needs to have their asses kicked out of office too: lifetime terms -- that's ILLEGAL, a miscarriage of Justice. That's just a small sampling of how the Federal government has abused their powers, since the very beginning.
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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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Ask those who lived in the [now defunct] U.S.S.R. how employing the above ideology worked for them.

Idiot demonrats!

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The profit motive is exploitation of labor. The private ownership of land and capital is theft of the commons. When the workers collectively own the means of production, they can receive the full benefit of their labor rather than a small fraction for the benefit of the capitalist class.
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Ask those who lived in the [now defunct] U.S.S.R. how employing the above ideology worked for them.

Idiot demonrats!
 Quoting: Biochemky


Only because the USSR fell back on old habits. The status quo doesn't like change, but they're spoiled. BTW, Obama is an agent for the status quo, too (his slogan "change", was pure horseshit).

Not one candidate in this upcoming election, will do anything other than further weaken this nation.

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