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If Vaccines don't cause Autism why is it a side effect listed on the package insert with the FDA!

 
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Has everyone you know got autism? Or even a majority.
They've all had vaccines and mercury fillings so by your logic they should have.
I mean, that's the double whammy isn't it?

I'm hoping your last sentence was an attempt at sarcasm.
 Quoting: Cahill



The point was that mercury is so pervasive in our country that everyone would have an opportunity to sue if some study showed it caused all these horrific things - because we weren't adequately warned when we were given the vaccines or the fillings in our teeth. No, everyone I know does not have autism. The reason everyone doesn't get poisoned from mercury is because the elemental mercury in fillings and vaccines is normally detoxified by the body. But in some people, the elemental form of mercury is converted into the much more dangerous methyl mercury form and it is this that is causing some people to have problems. Some people may also have a problem excreting mercury properly and promptly. Not everyone gets sick because not everyone has a problem with yeast and bacteria, like a case of dysbiosis, or with their own body's detoxification ability by their liver and kidneys. These are the risk factors that will determine if someone is going to get sick or not, baby or adult.

Most people don't understand mercury challenge tests because the chemistry is over their heads. That includes most doctors because they aren't familiar with the test. They think if they test the blood or urine for mercury, that some will be there if there's a problem. One reason mercury is so dangerous is that it binds with body tissues and interferes with enzyme systems by binding chemically. That means it "sticks" inside the body. So it won't be floating around in the blood. A challenge test uses a chelator that binds strongly to mercury to grab it away from body tissues so it ends up in the blood to be removed. Then you measure the mercury as it comes out in the urine. The Quackwatch idiot describes this as "articially raising" the levels of mercury in these tests to rip people off. That's how ignorant he is about basic chemistry. Any scientist who knows anything about mercury can tell you it binds and gets stuck inside the body because of its chemical nature.

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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Reinforcing the hypothesis that the majority of injuries caused by methylmercury (MeHg) in the central nervous system are related to its ability to increase reactive oxygen species, Zhang et al. (2009) [20] reported that after pretreatment of bovine cells with pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ), an antioxidant, the cytotoxicity induced by MeHg is significantly attenuated. PQQ reduces the percentage of apoptotic cells, decreased significantly ROS production, suppressed lipid peroxidation, and increased antioxidant enzyme activity in cells exposed to MeHg. Furthermore, the protective effects elicited by an antioxidant (ebselen) strengthen the idea that seleno-organic compounds represent promising approaches to neutralize MeHg-induced neurotoxicity [19].

Studies also demonstrate that mercury has the ability to reduce the number of neuron and cytoarchitecture in individuals with prenatal exposure to mercury [76, 77]. In animal models, some of these symptoms are reproduced. Low-dose prenatal exposure to methylmercury during 10 gestational days impairs motor and mnemonic function in adult mice [23]. This hypothesis is supported by studies that describe methylmercury inhibition of cell division and migration both “in vivo” and “in vitro” [76–78].

In addition, because of its high affinity for sulfhydryl groups in tubulin, methylmercury inhibits the organization of microtubules that are important in CNS development [79–81]. The binding to SH groups also interferes with the intracellular signaling of multiple receptors (e.g., muscarinic, nicotinic, and dopaminergic) and promotes the blockade of Ca++ channels in neurons [82, 83]. In addition, inorganic mercury has the ability to increase the permeability of chloride channels of GABA A receptors in the dorsal root ganglion, which is associated with neuronal hyperpolarization [84].

Corroborating these findings, the study conducted by Maia et al., (2010) [21] demonstrates that the poisoning by methylmercury changes the nitrergic activities of adult mice, and the predominance of alterations may be related to different locations. Besides increasing the nitrergic activity methylmercury and mercuric chloride also have the ability to increase the release of neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. Similar findings have also been reported to be a mechanism implicated in the effects of methylmercury and HgCl2 on the central nervous system function [85–89].

Halbach et al. [90] studied a correlation in Iraqi children between the level of maternal exposure to methylmercury during pregnancy and psychomotor retardation. Sandborgh-Englund et al. [91] corroborated this finding in children from the Faroe Islands; they found that children exposed to mercury in the prenatal period had defects in attention, memory, language, and motor function. In addition, exposure to methylmercury in pregnant women or early childhood leads to changes in the CNS development of the fetus or child, respectively [50, 92, 93]. Thereupon, changes caused by mercury poisoning result in significant clinical deficit in motor skills, coordination, and general activity rate of cognitive and psychological disorders [23]."


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[link to www.chemistryexplained.com]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


[link to www.toxicteeth.org]

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Sarcasm? You're the one that mentioned growing an extra arm. I'm hoping YOU were being sarcastic. Where do you get your info from? Is it all from Quackwatch and the FDA?
 Quoting: Catseye

I fully agree about the dangers of mercury poisoning. It's truly nasty stuff, particularly mercury vapour which is one of the reasons you can't get a mercury filled thermometer these days.
Methyl mercury poisoned fish is certainly a no-no for expectant mothers and the such like. I doubt if I'd eat them either.

However, your second paragraph starts off with a very familiar patronising stance. "The chemistry is over their heads" and certainly in my eyes that's where your argument starts to disintegrate.
If mercury combines chemically with enzymes please explain then how it "sticks" inside the body.
If it's not floating around in the body are these enzymes it has combined with stuck somewhere too? Does the mercury seek out these enzymes or vice versa?


I'm guessing your chemistry (it's biochemistry by the way) has been gleaned from the world renowned Dr Mercola or his ilk which would speak volumes. I'm also guessing that you would promote mercury chelation techniques for autistic children too?

Just a point of interest where did you copy and paste your post from as it plain that it's a regurgitant.

And for your information my knowledge comes from my experience in working in medicine for over a quarter of a century.
That's REAL medicine by the way, not Internet "medicine".
 Quoting: Cahill


Woah Chief, you need to back up a few posts before we continue further.

The AC above never said that mercury chemically bound itself to enzymes... anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry could tell you this can't happen. He said that mercury interferes with enzyme systems, which is definitely plausible. Hypothetically speaking, if mercury were to destroy or disable, for example a bacteria-eating enzyme, it would have catastrophic effects on the body.

Plenty of shit gets stuck in our bodies in substance called FAT. When you burn the fat that has shit stored in it, you release said shit into your bloodstream, where it has its negative effects.
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Actually, it should be "she said" and probably a better way to say it regarding enzymes is how pubmed puts it regarding the adrenal enzyme system:

directly caused a defect in adrenal steroid biosynthesis by inhibiting the activity of 21 alpha-hydroxylase

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]



The broad enzyme inhibition and the influence on the combining of hormones by their receptors, which seem due to its avid binding to sulphydryl, may account for the primary mechanism. The interference with intracellular calcium metabolism, and peroxidation may also be involved.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


And I forgot to answer the real medicine guy's question about chelation for autism. It took me 5 years to figure out I had a mercury issue because nobody diagnosed it. Then it took another 5 years of preparing for chelation and doing the chelation. I would only want someone to do chelation for their autistic child if they knew enough about it. Clearly, most people don't, including medical doctors. I happen to be near an excellent toxicologist. Chelation can get quite complicated and there are tricks to minimizing the side effects. It's way too much to get into here, I'll eventually do a post about it.
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Just to be clear, I'm not convinced that vaccines and autism are linked.

I'm also not convinced that you actually know what you're talking about

If you did, you wouldn't rely on deflection, ad hominem insults, condescension, etc

It seems to me that you have a little bit of experience in the medical field, so you throw your weight around and pretend to know more than you do, counting on the fact that a lot of GLP readers might not have that same experience, so you can BS your way through an argument with relative confidence. However, when someone is clearly knowledgeable about a subject and your patronizing vitriol no longer holds water, you dismiss their knowledge as "Internet medicine" (God forbid the scientific community actually post their findings on the quickest and most efficient form of communication on earth).

If you really do know what you're talking about and actually care about dispelling myths and urban legends, you should probably start by respecting others, and understanding that there is compelling evidence on both sides of the argument, and just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them "ignorant" or an "idiot". In other words, if you want anyone to take you seriously, stop being such a self-righteous prick

Or you can just keep doing what you're doing. Doesn't matter to me, it's your keyboard crusade, not mine
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Say my name 3 times and I will duly appear...

The problem with the first post is the omission of quite an important part of the FDA sheet.

I'll c & p the paragraphs which are paraphrased above and highlight the important part.

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
Reporting of Adverse Events
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, established by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, requires physicians and other health-care providers who administer vaccines to maintain permanent vaccination records of the manufacturer and lot number of the vaccine administered in the vaccine recipient’s permanent medical record along with the date of administration of the vaccine and the name, address and title of the person administering the vaccine. The Act (or statute) further requires the health-care professional to report to the Secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, the occurrence following immunization of any events set forth in the statute or the Vaccine Injury Table, including anaphylaxis or anaphylactic shock within 7 days; encephalopathy or encephalitis within 7 days, brachial neuritis within 28 days; or an acute complication or sequelae (including death) of an illness, disability, injury, or condition referred to above, or any events that would contraindicate further doses of vaccine, according to this Tripedia vaccine package insert.38,39
Reporting by parents or guardians of all adverse events after vaccine administration should be encouraged. Adverse events following immunization with vaccines should be reported by health-care providers to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).



Regardless of whether or not an event is actually connected to a drug it should be reported. This is encouraged. These events also have to be recorded in the drug sheet as seen above.

But feel free just to sensationalise the parts which just fill your agenda.
Tell you one thing, you are good at selective reporting.
 Quoting: Cahill


I didn’t sensationalize anything the vaccine packet insert had Autism listed as well as other things as an adverse effect. Now here is where it gets sensational it’s the simple fact its there because according to the vaccine makers and the so called experts in the vaccine fields of research and ever onward was “Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism” if you say other wise you are a crackpot anti vaccine nutcase like they always like to say.

Big pharma has thrown a ton of money into destroying any link no matter how small, they have brought out the big guns to silence any talk of a link. But there it is written on a vaccine insert as a side effect but yet vaccines don’t cause Autism remember?

So whys it there? its alright you saying what you have above but again if vaccines don't cause Autism then it should not even be there even if it is reported just like on VAERS website, there are more than a few reports tagged with Autism yet none of the vaccines carries it on the insert.

hmmmmm
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Once again you seem to be confusing me with a physician.
And again I have absolutely no dispute with you about the toxicity of mercury.
What I will dispute with you is the link you suggest with your posts for mercury and autism. They certainly confirm the toxicity of it as Ive already agreed with but in none of them I can see a definitive link. I'm also not entirely convinced of your random access theory at all. That doesn't sit right with me at all.
Then you try and qualify what you're posting with the old nugget that conventional medicine only treats symptoms...come on, you can do better than that.

And for your finale you mention chelation.
Sorry mate but that has really closed your book with me.
It can be valid in cases of serious mercury poisoning but in cases where there is minimal evidence of poisoning, if any or at all (eg in autism) it's downright dangerous and should not be performed at all unless you have a death-wish.
I'm aghast that you would even hint at such a thing.
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Say my name 3 times and I will duly appear...

The problem with the first post is the omission of quite an important part of the FDA sheet.

I'll c & p the paragraphs which are paraphrased above and highlight the important part.

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
Reporting of Adverse Events
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, established by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, requires physicians and other health-care providers who administer vaccines to maintain permanent vaccination records of the manufacturer and lot number of the vaccine administered in the vaccine recipient’s permanent medical record along with the date of administration of the vaccine and the name, address and title of the person administering the vaccine. The Act (or statute) further requires the health-care professional to report to the Secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, the occurrence following immunization of any events set forth in the statute or the Vaccine Injury Table, including anaphylaxis or anaphylactic shock within 7 days; encephalopathy or encephalitis within 7 days, brachial neuritis within 28 days; or an acute complication or sequelae (including death) of an illness, disability, injury, or condition referred to above, or any events that would contraindicate further doses of vaccine, according to this Tripedia vaccine package insert.38,39
Reporting by parents or guardians of all adverse events after vaccine administration should be encouraged. Adverse events following immunization with vaccines should be reported by health-care providers to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).



Regardless of whether or not an event is actually connected to a drug it should be reported. This is encouraged. These events also have to be recorded in the drug sheet as seen above.

But feel free just to sensationalise the parts which just fill your agenda.
Tell you one thing, you are good at selective reporting.
 Quoting: Cahill


I didn’t sensationalize anything the vaccine packet insert had Autism listed as well as other things as an adverse effect. Now here is where it gets sensational it’s the simple fact its there because according to the vaccine makers and the so called experts in the vaccine fields of research and ever onward was “Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism” if you say other wise you are a crackpot anti vaccine nutcase like they always like to say.

Big pharma has thrown a ton of money into destroying any link no matter how small, they have brought out the big guns to silence any talk of a link. But there it is written on a vaccine insert as a side effect but yet vaccines don’t cause Autism remember?

So whys it there? its alright you saying what you have above but again if vaccines don't cause Autism then it should not even be there even if it is reported just like on VAERS website, there are more than a few reports tagged with Autism yet none of the vaccines carries it on the insert.

hmmmmm
 Quoting: Fhirinne


It's not an adverse effect it's a reported event.
There's a huge difference.

An adverse effect is one that has been documented and linked to a particular drug.
A reported event is just that, an event that was reported after taking a drug. This may or may not be connected.
The fact that you started a thread about it would say you were sensationalising it.
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UK to give pertussis vaccine to newborns? Autism and SIDS are on the package insert


Here is a clear measure of medical insanity and the threat it represents to the health and life of your children: UK authorities are considering giving the pertussis vaccine to newborns, even though there are no safety studies to support vaccination of newborns.

Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and autism are listed on the pertussis vaccine package insert (filed with the FDA) under serious adverse events reported during post-approval use. ‘Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’

[link to therefusers.com]

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I really could not believe this one so I had to check for myself and low and behold its true!

It's on Page 11...

"Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2"
[link to www.fda.gov]
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The FDA, WHO, CDC & other government agencies who push vaccines know this but they know that lawsuits would result in billions being paid out to families that have vaccine injured children.
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Just to be clear, I'm not convinced that vaccines and autism are linked.

I'm also not convinced that you actually know what you're talking about

If you did, you wouldn't rely on deflection, ad hominem insults, condescension, etc

It seems to me that you have a little bit of experience in the medical field, so you throw your weight around and pretend to know more than you do, counting on the fact that a lot of GLP readers might not have that same experience, so you can BS your way through an argument with relative confidence. However, when someone is clearly knowledgeable about a subject and your patronizing vitriol no longer holds water, you dismiss their knowledge as "Internet medicine" (God forbid the scientific community actually post their findings on the quickest and most efficient form of communication on earth).

If you really do know what you're talking about and actually care about dispelling myths and urban legends, you should probably start by respecting others, and understanding that there is compelling evidence on both sides of the argument, and just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them "ignorant" or an "idiot". In other words, if you want anyone to take you seriously, stop being such a self-righteous prick

Or you can just keep doing what you're doing. Doesn't matter to me, it's your keyboard crusade, not mine
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If it doesn't matter to you then why comment?
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Once again you seem to be confusing me with a physician.
And again I have absolutely no dispute with you about the toxicity of mercury.
What I will dispute with you is the link you suggest with your posts for mercury and autism. They certainly confirm the toxicity of it as Ive already agreed with but in none of them I can see a definitive link. I'm also not entirely convinced of your random access theory at all. That doesn't sit right with me at all.
Then you try and qualify what you're posting with the old nugget that conventional medicine only treats symptoms...come on, you can do better than that.

And for your finale you mention chelation.
Sorry mate but that has really closed your book with me.
It can be valid in cases of serious mercury poisoning but in cases where there is minimal evidence of poisoning, if any or at all (eg in autism) it's downright dangerous and should not be performed at all unless you have a death-wish.
I'm aghast that you would even hint at such a thing.
 Quoting: Cahill


It seems now you're just trying to give the run around based on semantics. Give it up. The whole deal about health information like this is how well a person can connect the dots without having to hear it said out loud on CNN. Some people will figure it out sooner and some people will always have it go over their heads and need to wait for CNN. I'm trying to says things here that most people will understand and be able to wrap their heads around. So I say things like "it sticks in the body" rather than all the technical stuff. I understand all too well the "stickiness" of mercury. I am doing chelation to get rid of it. I haven't felt this kind of relief for the past ten years. Not only can I feel it working, I can watch its progress with the challenge tests that Quackwatch says are bogus. He doesn't explain how chelation will lower mercury levels over time on these tests. Maybe he thinks it's some huge conspiracy, like the fake chelation doctor calls the fake lab and tells them how much chelation I've had done and to tone down my mercury levels a bit with each passing test. Then they all giggle helplessly at my stupidity for believing all of it. That still doesn't explain my relief from the hell I've been through. I guess the Quackwatch idiot would call it a placebo effect as a last resort. I hear his lawsuit with one of the "fake labs" isn't going so well. Too bad.

Why do you say once again I am confusing you with a physician? You were the one that said "my knowledge comes from my experience in working in medicine for over a quarter of a century" but I didn't assume you were a physician. ??? And what's with the "random access theory"? I just pointed out the obvious - that nobody knows where mercury is going to go and settle in the body and what particular enzyme system or tissue or organ it's going to damage or disrupt. How could it? If you don't think poisons circulate randomly throughout the body then how do you think they circulate? Is there some sort of poison molecular strategy that I'm unaware of?

You've obviously never done chelation and it's obvious you've only done some amateur googling about it. I speak from over a year's experience with IV chelation, both EDTA and DMPS. I've never had a bad reaction because I've prepared properly and know what to do during chelation to minimize side effects. You are doing exactly what you are accusing others on here of doing - amateur googling - and passing on information without firsthand experience.

So tell me how conventional medicine treats root causes? Can you tell me why dysbiosis, food intolerance and heavy metals are never tested unless the patient has acute symtoms? That's the difference between a chronic illness and a crisis. And why is it whenever I ask a so-called medical professional on a message board about why they don't treat root causes I always get the same kind of flippant comment and they refuse to answer the question? I guess you can't do better than that.

Just because there's a lot of bogus information regarding alternative medicine out there doesn't mean it's all bogus. If you need CNN to tell you what's really going on, then wait for CNN. Meanwhile, some of us will connect the dots and heal ourselves.

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I had a discussion about claims of autism and vaccination with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion that it may be a statistical pros and cons issue. For example, say 2% of people who take Vaccine X will get autism, but you cannot accurately determine who will, or its too expensive to find out. And if you DON'T use the vaccine the consequences for that 98% are dire and far reaching. So what do you do? You use the vaccine and say to hell with the 2%!

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I had a discussion about claims of autism and vaccination with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion that it may be a statistical pros and cons issue. For example, say 2% of people who take Vaccine X will get autism, but you cannot accurately determine who will, or its too expensive to find out. And if you DON'T use the vaccine the consequences for that 98% are dire and far reaching. So what do you do? You use the vaccine and say to hell with the 2%!

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Actually, you can take precautions against autism while still getting the vaccines. It's known that the mercury is the issue so you just make sure you minimize mercury exposure to the baby. That also means minimizing yeast and bacteria in the mother that can convert the elemental mercury to methyl mercury. So the mother should make sure her diet is good, that she doesn't have dysbiosis (so no yeast or bacteria issues), have any mercury fillings removed and be on the up and up with her vitamins. That's just off the top of my head. There are some informative websites that go into much more detail. It doesn't have to be a crap shoot.
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Why do they put mercury in vaccines anyway? It is poison to the human body, I sincerely don't know why they do it?
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$$$$--mercury works as a preservative so one vial can hold say...vaccinations for many people--like 10 or 20 doses. It keeps the cost of the vaccination down and profits up.

It works as a preservative very well and was "grandfathered" in so was exempt from testing--the old--has been used forever with no problem.

Still being used in multi dose flu shots.
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I had a discussion about claims of autism and vaccination with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion that it may be a statistical pros and cons issue. For example, say 2% of people who take Vaccine X will get autism, but you cannot accurately determine who will, or its too expensive to find out. And if you DON'T use the vaccine the consequences for that 98% are dire and far reaching. So what do you do? You use the vaccine and say to hell with the 2%!

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Actually, you can take precautions against autism while still getting the vaccines. It's known that the mercury is the issue so you just make sure you minimize mercury exposure to the baby. That also means minimizing yeast and bacteria in the mother that can convert the elemental mercury to methyl mercury. So the mother should make sure her diet is good, that she doesn't have dysbiosis (so no yeast or bacteria issues), have any mercury fillings removed and be on the up and up with her vitamins. That's just off the top of my head. There are some informative websites that go into much more detail. It doesn't have to be a crap shoot.
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Aluminum is the danger now since most of the mercury has been removed.

Aluminum like mercury is a neurotoxin & accumulates in the brain.

The Hep B vaccine has 220 mcg of aluminum in it, a toxic dose is 20 mcg.
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I had a discussion about claims of autism and vaccination with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion that it may be a statistical pros and cons issue. For example, say 2% of people who take Vaccine X will get autism, but you cannot accurately determine who will, or its too expensive to find out. And if you DON'T use the vaccine the consequences for that 98% are dire and far reaching. So what do you do? You use the vaccine and say to hell with the 2%!

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Actually, you can take precautions against autism while still getting the vaccines. It's known that the mercury is the issue so you just make sure you minimize mercury exposure to the baby. That also means minimizing yeast and bacteria in the mother that can convert the elemental mercury to methyl mercury. So the mother should make sure her diet is good, that she doesn't have dysbiosis (so no yeast or bacteria issues), have any mercury fillings removed and be on the up and up with her vitamins. That's just off the top of my head. There are some informative websites that go into much more detail. It doesn't have to be a crap shoot.
 Quoting: Catseye

Aluminum is the danger now since most of the mercury has been removed.

Aluminum like mercury is a neurotoxin & accumulates in the brain.

The Hep B vaccine has 220 mcg of aluminum in it, a toxic dose is 20 mcg.
 Quoting: mopar28m



Oh yeah, thanks for mentioning, I was getting kind of sleepy.

I know they're removing mercury from some vaccines but they are still putting mercury in people's mouths. It's such a menace.
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Say my name 3 times and I will duly appear...

The problem with the first post is the omission of quite an important part of the FDA sheet.

I'll c & p the paragraphs which are paraphrased above and highlight the important part.

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
Reporting of Adverse Events
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, established by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, requires physicians and other health-care providers who administer vaccines to maintain permanent vaccination records of the manufacturer and lot number of the vaccine administered in the vaccine recipient’s permanent medical record along with the date of administration of the vaccine and the name, address and title of the person administering the vaccine. The Act (or statute) further requires the health-care professional to report to the Secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, the occurrence following immunization of any events set forth in the statute or the Vaccine Injury Table, including anaphylaxis or anaphylactic shock within 7 days; encephalopathy or encephalitis within 7 days, brachial neuritis within 28 days; or an acute complication or sequelae (including death) of an illness, disability, injury, or condition referred to above, or any events that would contraindicate further doses of vaccine, according to this Tripedia vaccine package insert.38,39
Reporting by parents or guardians of all adverse events after vaccine administration should be encouraged. Adverse events following immunization with vaccines should be reported by health-care providers to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).



Regardless of whether or not an event is actually connected to a drug it should be reported. This is encouraged. These events also have to be recorded in the drug sheet as seen above.

But feel free just to sensationalise the parts which just fill your agenda.
Tell you one thing, you are good at selective reporting.
 Quoting: Cahill


I didn’t sensationalize anything the vaccine packet insert had Autism listed as well as other things as an adverse effect. Now here is where it gets sensational it’s the simple fact its there because according to the vaccine makers and the so called experts in the vaccine fields of research and ever onward was “Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism” if you say other wise you are a crackpot anti vaccine nutcase like they always like to say.

Big pharma has thrown a ton of money into destroying any link no matter how small, they have brought out the big guns to silence any talk of a link. But there it is written on a vaccine insert as a side effect but yet vaccines don’t cause Autism remember?

So whys it there? its alright you saying what you have above but again if vaccines don't cause Autism then it should not even be there even if it is reported just like on VAERS website, there are more than a few reports tagged with Autism yet none of the vaccines carries it on the insert.

hmmmmm
 Quoting: Fhirinne


It's not an adverse effect it's a reported event.
There's a huge difference.

An adverse effect is one that has been documented and linked to a particular drug.
A reported event is just that, an event that was reported after taking a drug. This may or may not be connected.
The fact that you started a thread about it would say you were sensationalising it.
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You are still missing the point I am trying to make.

the insert is dated Dec 2005 and yet in Dec 2002 the FDA said this

Ongoing Response to Vaccines and Autism Issues

Statement of
Karen Midthun, M.D.
Director
Office of Vaccine Research and Review,
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Food and Drug Administration
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

before

the House Committee on Government Reform,

December 10, 2002

INTRODUCTION

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I am Dr. Karen Midthun, Director, Office of Vaccines Research and Review (OVRR), Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA or the Agency). CBER regulates the development and licensure of vaccines. We appreciate the opportunity to participate in this hearing on autism and to respond to the Committee’s concerns regarding a potential link between vaccines and autism. It is important to note that to date, the existing data do not demonstrate or even suggest a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. Nevertheless, we want to assure this Committee, the public and, especially the parents that are here today, that FDA takes these concerns very seriously. We want to explain FDA’s ongoing efforts in response to the issue of vaccines and autism.
[link to www.fda.gov]

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Mercury poisoning & autism symptoms are the same -

[link to www.vaccinationnews.com]


Symptoms of aluminum poisoning -

[link to home.earthlink.net]



Enough said.......
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Mercury poisoning & autism symptoms are the same -

[link to www.vaccinationnews.com]


Symptoms of aluminum poisoning -

[link to home.earthlink.net]



Enough said.......
 Quoting: mopar28m


Never come across the mercury autism comparison stuff, but reading down it I have to admit I could see more than a few that can be connected to chemicals and contamination in vaccines other than mercury and aluminium that can be connected to autoimmune disorders.

I fell down that rabbit hole last night and to be honest I can't believe they call the links casual to so many negative induced health disorders when it is clear as day.

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I fell down that rabbit hole last night and to be honest I can't believe they call the links casual to so many negative induced health disorders when it is clear as day.
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Exactly!!!
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bsflag just another stupid internet myth.

You anti-vaxers are clueless
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ARE you from Big-Pharma?
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If anyone is getting a vaccine ask to see the insert and give it a read before you have the jab.... For example.... [link to www.fda.gov]

Page 7 onwards gets me pretty worried ?

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