If Vaccines don't cause Autism why is it a side effect listed on the package insert with the FDA!

Just to be clear, I'm not convinced that vaccines and autism are linked.

I'm also not convinced that you actually know what you're talking about

If you did, you wouldn't rely on deflection, ad hominem insults, condescension, etc

It seems to me that you have a little bit of experience in the medical field, so you throw your weight around and pretend to know more than you do, counting on the fact that a lot of GLP readers might not have that same experience, so you can BS your way through an argument with relative confidence. However, when someone is clearly knowledgeable about a subject and your patronizing vitriol no longer holds water, you dismiss their knowledge as "Internet medicine" (God forbid the scientific community actually post their findings on the quickest and most efficient form of communication on earth).

If you really do know what you're talking about and actually care about dispelling myths and urban legends, you should probably start by respecting others, and understanding that there is compelling evidence on both sides of the argument, and just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them "ignorant" or an "idiot". In other words, if you want anyone to take you seriously, stop being such a self-righteous prick

Or you can just keep doing what you're doing. Doesn't matter to me, it's your keyboard crusade, not mine

Boom!!!! cahill just got served

I didn’t sensationalize anything the vaccine packet insert had Autism listed as well as other things as an adverse effect. Now here is where it gets sensational it’s the simple fact its there because according to the vaccine makers and the so called experts in the vaccine fields of research and ever onward was “Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism” if you say other wise you are a crackpot anti vaccine nutcase like they always like to say.

Big pharma has thrown a ton of money into destroying any link no matter how small, they have brought out the big guns to silence any talk of a link. But there it is written on a vaccine insert as a side effect but yet vaccines don’t cause Autism remember?

So whys it there? its alright you saying what you have above but again if vaccines don't cause Autism then it should not even be there even if it is reported just like on VAERS website, there are more than a few reports tagged with Autism yet none of the vaccines carries it on the insert.

hmmmmm

Once again you seem to be confusing me with a physician.
And again I have absolutely no dispute with you about the toxicity of mercury.
What I will dispute with you is the link you suggest with your posts for mercury and autism. They certainly confirm the toxicity of it as Ive already agreed with but in none of them I can see a definitive link. I'm also not entirely convinced of your random access theory at all. That doesn't sit right with me at all.
Then you try and qualify what you're posting with the old nugget that conventional medicine only treats symptoms...come on, you can do better than that.

And for your finale you mention chelation.
Sorry mate but that has really closed your book with me.
It can be valid in cases of serious mercury poisoning but in cases where there is minimal evidence of poisoning, if any or at all (eg in autism) it's downright dangerous and should not be performed at all unless you have a death-wish.
I'm aghast that you would even hint at such a thing.

It's not an adverse effect it's a reported event.
There's a huge difference.

An adverse effect is one that has been documented and linked to a particular drug.
A reported event is just that, an event that was reported after taking a drug. This may or may not be connected.
The fact that you started a thread about it would say you were sensationalising it.

The FDA, WHO, CDC & other government agencies who push vaccines know this but they know that lawsuits would result in billions being paid out to families that have vaccine injured children.

If it doesn't matter to you then why comment?

It seems now you're just trying to give the run around based on semantics. Give it up. The whole deal about health information like this is how well a person can connect the dots without having to hear it said out loud on CNN. Some people will figure it out sooner and some people will always have it go over their heads and need to wait for CNN. I'm trying to says things here that most people will understand and be able to wrap their heads around. So I say things like "it sticks in the body" rather than all the technical stuff. I understand all too well the "stickiness" of mercury. I am doing chelation to get rid of it. I haven't felt this kind of relief for the past ten years. Not only can I feel it working, I can watch its progress with the challenge tests that Quackwatch says are bogus. He doesn't explain how chelation will lower mercury levels over time on these tests. Maybe he thinks it's some huge conspiracy, like the fake chelation doctor calls the fake lab and tells them how much chelation I've had done and to tone down my mercury levels a bit with each passing test. Then they all giggle helplessly at my stupidity for believing all of it. That still doesn't explain my relief from the hell I've been through. I guess the Quackwatch idiot would call it a placebo effect as a last resort. I hear his lawsuit with one of the "fake labs" isn't going so well. Too bad.

Why do you say once again I am confusing you with a physician? You were the one that said "my knowledge comes from my experience in working in medicine for over a quarter of a century" but I didn't assume you were a physician. ??? And what's with the "random access theory"? I just pointed out the obvious - that nobody knows where mercury is going to go and settle in the body and what particular enzyme system or tissue or organ it's going to damage or disrupt. How could it? If you don't think poisons circulate randomly throughout the body then how do you think they circulate? Is there some sort of poison molecular strategy that I'm unaware of?

You've obviously never done chelation and it's obvious you've only done some amateur googling about it. I speak from over a year's experience with IV chelation, both EDTA and DMPS. I've never had a bad reaction because I've prepared properly and know what to do during chelation to minimize side effects. You are doing exactly what you are accusing others on here of doing - amateur googling - and passing on information without firsthand experience.

So tell me how conventional medicine treats root causes? Can you tell me why dysbiosis, food intolerance and heavy metals are never tested unless the patient has acute symtoms? That's the difference between a chronic illness and a crisis. And why is it whenever I ask a so-called medical professional on a message board about why they don't treat root causes I always get the same kind of flippant comment and they refuse to answer the question? I guess you can't do better than that.

Just because there's a lot of bogus information regarding alternative medicine out there doesn't mean it's all bogus. If you need CNN to tell you what's really going on, then wait for CNN. Meanwhile, some of us will connect the dots and heal ourselves.

Last Edited by Catseye on 09/07/2012 09:40 PM

I had a discussion about claims of autism and vaccination with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion that it may be a statistical pros and cons issue. For example, say 2% of people who take Vaccine X will get autism, but you cannot accurately determine who will, or its too expensive to find out. And if you DON'T use the vaccine the consequences for that 98% are dire and far reaching. So what do you do? You use the vaccine and say to hell with the 2%!



Last Edited by T_C on 09/07/2012 10:04 PM

Actually, you can take precautions against autism while still getting the vaccines. It's known that the mercury is the issue so you just make sure you minimize mercury exposure to the baby. That also means minimizing yeast and bacteria in the mother that can convert the elemental mercury to methyl mercury. So the mother should make sure her diet is good, that she doesn't have dysbiosis (so no yeast or bacteria issues), have any mercury fillings removed and be on the up and up with her vitamins. That's just off the top of my head. There are some informative websites that go into much more detail. It doesn't have to be a crap shoot.

double post

Last Edited by Catseye on 09/07/2012 10:16 PM

$$$$--mercury works as a preservative so one vial can hold say...vaccinations for many people--like 10 or 20 doses. It keeps the cost of the vaccination down and profits up.

It works as a preservative very well and was "grandfathered" in so was exempt from testing--the old--has been used forever with no problem.

Still being used in multi dose flu shots.

Aluminum is the danger now since most of the mercury has been removed.

Aluminum like mercury is a neurotoxin & accumulates in the brain.

The Hep B vaccine has 220 mcg of aluminum in it, a toxic dose is 20 mcg.

Oh yeah, thanks for mentioning, I was getting kind of sleepy.

I know they're removing mercury from some vaccines but they are still putting mercury in people's mouths. It's such a menace.

You are still missing the point I am trying to make.

the insert is dated Dec 2005 and yet in Dec 2002 the FDA said this

Ongoing Response to Vaccines and Autism Issues

Statement of
Karen Midthun, M.D.
Director
Office of Vaccine Research and Review,
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Food and Drug Administration
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

before

the House Committee on Government Reform,

December 10, 2002

INTRODUCTION

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I am Dr. Karen Midthun, Director, Office of Vaccines Research and Review (OVRR), Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA or the Agency). CBER regulates the development and licensure of vaccines. We appreciate the opportunity to participate in this hearing on autism and to respond to the Committee’s concerns regarding a potential link between vaccines and autism. It is important to note that to date, the existing data do not demonstrate or even suggest a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. Nevertheless, we want to assure this Committee, the public and, especially the parents that are here today, that FDA takes these concerns very seriously. We want to explain FDA’s ongoing efforts in response to the issue of vaccines and autism.
[link to www.fda.gov]

Last Edited by Fhirinne on 09/08/2012 11:01 AM

Mercury poisoning & autism symptoms are the same -

[link to www.vaccinationnews.com]


Symptoms of aluminum poisoning -

[link to home.earthlink.net]



Enough said.......

Never come across the mercury autism comparison stuff, but reading down it I have to admit I could see more than a few that can be connected to chemicals and contamination in vaccines other than mercury and aluminium that can be connected to autoimmune disorders.

I fell down that rabbit hole last night and to be honest I can't believe they call the links casual to so many negative induced health disorders when it is clear as day.

Last Edited by Fhirinne on 09/08/2012 02:19 PM

Exactly!!!

ARE you from Big-Pharma?

If anyone is getting a vaccine ask to see the insert and give it a read before you have the jab.... For example.... [link to www.fda.gov]

Page 7 onwards gets me pretty worried ?

Last Edited by ParamedicUK on 12/09/2012 05:43 PM

In light of the CA bill.

BUMP