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Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...

 
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I don't understand why there isn't more coverage of these incidents. Since the beginning of the year, there have been all kinds of mass animal deaths, but we are no closer to finding out the cause than before. Of course, there are plenty of people who scoff at it and marginalize the importance, as if this happens every year.
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you seriously don't understand?
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Fear of what it means and pride that "our way of life" could be killing us all.

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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
you'd think if there were thousands of them there would be a photo somewhere...
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I don't understand why there isn't more coverage of these incidents. Since the beginning of the year, there have been all kinds of mass animal deaths, but we are no closer to finding out the cause than before. Of course, there are plenty of people who scoff at it and marginalize the importance, as if this happens every year.
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you seriously don't understand?
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It is just hard to believe that the mainstream media and TPTB can ignore something so obviously wrong. At a certain point, ignorance becomes intentional.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I don't understand why there isn't more coverage of these incidents. Since the beginning of the year, there have been all kinds of mass animal deaths, but we are no closer to finding out the cause than before. Of course, there are plenty of people who scoff at it and marginalize the importance, as if this happens every year.
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The problem is people are geting normalized to this kind of thing to the point its no big deal anymore. The problem is its far from normal.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
This is truly disheartening. How many ways can the planet tell us something is very wrong before we take notice? How many fish makes a catastrophe? How many birds makes an epidemic? This is ridiculous.
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There are so many to deal with I quit listing deaths under 100 unless it is really out of the ordinary. At times there are 100's of thousands in a single kill off. In the extreme cases the numbers are in the millions.

This has to be impacting the food chain on a massive level.

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Here is a list of fish and animal die offs.
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Posted: 09/05/2012
Last Updated: 4 hours and 27 minutes ago
By: Colin McDermott, newsnet5.com
CLEVELAND - The mystery deepens, as several agencies not only look for the reason why tens of thousands of fish washed up dead along the northern shores of Lake Erie, but seagulls as well.
Rick Nicholls, Member of Provincial Parliament for the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario, is an elected official who oversees part of the shore community where the fish washed up.
On Wednesday afternoon, Nicholls said that dead seagulls were also among the thousands of dead fish along the Canada shore.


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Janet Napolitano was sited swimming there earlier in the week. She may have let a methane emission and killed off the fish.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
There are so many to deal with I quit listing deaths under 100 unless it is really out of the ordinary. At times there are 100's of thousands in a single kill off. In the extreme cases the numbers are in the millions.

This has to be impacting the food chain on a massive level.

Diakonos
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I agree. Either those looking into what is killing these animals are lying (because they're ashamed of the answer) or they honestly don't know. I haven't heard a legitimate, scientific explanation yet, just a lot of downplaying.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I live in Ohio and there has been a lot of problems related to zebra mussels that were brought in a while back. The mussels are spreading and taking all the food away from the native species.

Don't know how that would affect seagulls though.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I live in Ohio and there has been a lot of problems related to zebra mussels that were brought in a while back. The mussels are spreading and taking all the food away from the native species.

Don't know how that would affect seagulls though.
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I can see how mussels would affect bottom feeders or shallow water fish, but I don't know how they could cause this amount of disruption. Do you remember what the circumstances were surrounding them bringing the Zebra Mussels in?
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
It's still Erie. The dirty polluted lake. We Lake Ontarions don't even consider Erie a Great Lake.
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And we care what you think because ????
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Has anyone wondered if the fish got some horrible, contagious disease and then the birds picked them up and had a nibble and they too, got sick? I mean, think about it. They reported that there were dead seagulls but not thousands. Which leads me to believe the birds stopped when they saw others in the flock dying. OR...maybe there was some kind of methane in the air that they only got affected once they were in the middle of the lake. Hmmmm...
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I don't understand why there isn't more coverage of these incidents. Since the beginning of the year, there have been all kinds of mass animal deaths, but we are no closer to finding out the cause than before. Of course, there are plenty of people who scoff at it and marginalize the importance, as if this happens every year.
 Quoting: Rising Son


you seriously don't understand?
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It is just hard to believe that the mainstream media and TPTB can ignore something so obviously wrong. At a certain point, ignorance becomes intentional.
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you get a cookie
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I don't understand why there isn't more coverage of these incidents. Since the beginning of the year, there have been all kinds of mass animal deaths, but we are no closer to finding out the cause than before. Of course, there are plenty of people who scoff at it and marginalize the importance, as if this happens every year.
 Quoting: Rising Son


you seriously don't understand?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22740902


It is just hard to believe that the mainstream media and TPTB can ignore something so obviously wrong. At a certain point, ignorance becomes intentional.
 Quoting: Rising Son


you get a cookie
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hf
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
weren't there leaks from that Perry (?) nuclear plant earlier this year? perhaps that would cause some grief.

I am originally from Ohio, fished Mosquito lake reservoir every year for Crappies. Been on Erie a few times.

Those fish that die in masses every spring in those lakes is called "Chad" or "Shad" or something like that but not in the fall like now. Sea galls can eat garbage and not die. hmmmm

Back in 1985 or 86 there was a 4.0 EQ out in Lake Erie, 1st news reports were that Cleveland was gone, over exaggerated apparently.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I had a client in Cleveland - there were always dead fish in Lake Erie. The air quality in the summer was awful.....

Same with Lake Michigan near the city of Chicago. There are always dead fish washing ashore - why is this a story now? The dead seagulls? Are the dead fish outside an urban area?
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A few dead fish....yes. Tens of thousands of dead fish....not so normal. I have family in Erie that lives across the street from Lake Erie. I've been on the lake many times. I have never seen thousands of dead fish and I've never seen any dead birds there.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Could be Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS). I live near Erie, PA and a few smaller lakes have tons fish with this disease. I've seen carp covered with sores. Every so often, there are a lot of fish that wash up dead on Erie Peninsula beaches. I don't know about tens of thousands though. I remember as a kid going to the beaches and they were everywhere dead. It's quite alarming.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Could be Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS). I live near Erie, PA and a few smaller lakes have tons fish with this disease. I've seen carp covered with sores. Every so often, there are a lot of fish that wash up dead on Erie Peninsula beaches. I don't know about tens of thousands though. I remember as a kid going to the beaches and they were everywhere dead. It's quite alarming.
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Spoke too soon. Yes, VHS is a problem for Lake Erie. Here's some links:

[link to www.independentcollegian.com]

[link to www.lakescientist.com]

[link to www.dec.ny.gov]


2006 saw mass die-offs from VHS in Lake Erie, the St. Clair River, the Detroit River, and the St. Lawrence River, which connects the Great Lakes to the Atlantic Ocean.[17] VHS was further detected in the Niagara River, which connects Lake Erie to Lake Ontario.[25] It was also found in a walleye die-off in the landlocked inland Conesus Lake, the westernmost of the Finger Lakes in western New York state.[26] This was the first case in the region outside waters contiguously connected to the Great Lakes.
Wikipedia:
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Could be Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS). I live near Erie, PA and a few smaller lakes have tons fish with this disease. I've seen carp covered with sores. Every so often, there are a lot of fish that wash up dead on Erie Peninsula beaches. I don't know about tens of thousands though. I remember as a kid going to the beaches and they were everywhere dead. It's quite alarming.
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Spoke too soon. Yes, VHS is a problem for Lake Erie. Here's some links:

[link to www.independentcollegian.com]

[link to www.lakescientist.com]

[link to www.dec.ny.gov]


2006 saw mass die-offs from VHS in Lake Erie, the St. Clair River, the Detroit River, and the St. Lawrence River, which connects the Great Lakes to the Atlantic Ocean.[17] VHS was further detected in the Niagara River, which connects Lake Erie to Lake Ontario.[25] It was also found in a walleye die-off in the landlocked inland Conesus Lake, the westernmost of the Finger Lakes in western New York state.[26] This was the first case in the region outside waters contiguously connected to the Great Lakes.
Wikipedia:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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That doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside...
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Dunno how many more of these incidents have to occur before we admit that something is seriously wrong with mother earth.

Scotland, Florida, Lake Erie? Come on, two sides of the atlantic, and one a near land-locked body of water?

Magnetics are screwed, and something is seriously wrong
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Dunno how many more of these incidents have to occur before we admit that something is seriously wrong with mother earth.

Scotland, Florida, Lake Erie? Come on, two sides of the atlantic, and one a near land-locked body of water?

Magnetics are screwed, and something is seriously wrong
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This feels like the Wizard of Oz: "Pay no attention to that man there behind the curtain..."
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I had heard that the newspaper said they were reintroducing water snakes into lake Erie after their numbers had dwindled. I was down there at Put-in-bay island 2 weeks ago and we didn't spot any but my mother in law claimed they were everywhere (like when you look over a bridge with more stagnant water)only a month before. May not be related- but I thought I would mention it.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
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I live near that shore and I was camping there a couple years ago around this time and there were dead minnows everywhere on the beach, so many it looked like a carpet was laid across the sand and rocks.

I eat perch and pickerel out of that lake sometimes too.

I hope the inversion theory is right.
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
I live in Cleveland and Lake Erie is cleaner than it has been in decades--the industry has left the shores here, and the population is down.

The only really strange thing here has been a truly unusually hot summer--like the hottest on record. I would have to guess the temp of the lake is warmer than it has ever been--lake Erie is very shallow.

The higher temps could allow disease and things to grow that haven't before....there is always a reason--something caused it.

Birds use radar to navigate--I'd also suspect some Earth changes in the magnetosphere.
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It looks like the water level has dropped drastically too
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Posted: 09/05/2012
Last Updated: 4 hours and 27 minutes ago
By: Colin McDermott, newsnet5.com
CLEVELAND - The mystery deepens, as several agencies not only look for the reason why tens of thousands of fish washed up dead along the northern shores of Lake Erie, but seagulls as well.
Rick Nicholls, Member of Provincial Parliament for the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario, is an elected official who oversees part of the shore community where the fish washed up.
On Wednesday afternoon, Nicholls said that dead seagulls were also among the thousands of dead fish along the Canada shore.


Read more: [link to www.newsnet5.com]
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. . . fracking . . . ?

I think i have seen fracking crews going West past my house?
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Oh no some birds and fish died quick ill cry and hug a tree
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Oh no some birds and fish died quick ill cry and hug a tree
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. . . soooooo beef is the only thing on your menu . . . ?
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Re: Mystery deepens after thousands of fish and birds wash up dead on the Canada shore of Lake Erie...
Wasn't there a nuclear incident near one of the great lakes after Fuku?
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Did you see the thread on Putin and how he gets on an ultralight plane and leads the flocks in the right direction? Funny
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