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Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?

 
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Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Just a hypothetical question...I have read that IR flashlights can cause difficulty detecting a human using infra-red or Flir. Any truth to this or is it BS?
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09/06/2012 12:20 AM
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
From a Technical point of view yes - but you still need to hold your flashligh or place your flair, so by logic you are near. You are better of with a big golf umbrella ;)
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
From a Technical point of view yes - but you still need to hold your flashligh or place your flair, so by logic you are near. You are better of with a big golf umbrella ;)
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a big foil umbrella with an additional fabric layer should do for IR but for most drones have more than one electrooptic modality, so that what may be a thermal screen will be a bright reflector for starlight technologies.

The proper countermeasure for gummint drones is control of the gummint and control of the money they get to spy on the citizens while ignoring the wets, not some whizbang gimmic that can be countermeasured
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
dur dur dur....POTATOE!
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Also read in another thread about 12ga shotgun shells that fire small entanglement nets. I can't any information on these. They could come in useful for home defense or hunting, not just drones.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Also read in another thread about 12ga shotgun shells that fire small entanglement nets. I can't any information on these. They could come in useful for home defense or hunting, not just drones.
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how big a net can you fit into a 12 ga hull, and how high can it go and how accurate can it be?

Do you not have any real life experience?
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09/06/2012 12:50 AM
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
From a Technical point of view yes - but you still need to hold your flashligh or place your flair, so by logic you are near. You are better of with a big golf umbrella ;)
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a big foil umbrella with an additional fabric layer should do for IR but for most drones have more than one electrooptic modality, so that what may be a thermal screen will be a bright reflector for starlight technologies.

The proper countermeasure for gummint drones is control of the gummint and control of the money they get to spy on the citizens while ignoring the wets, not some whizbang gimmic that can be countermeasured
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that's what the hearsay is anyway
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Also read in another thread about 12ga shotgun shells that fire small entanglement nets. I can't any information on these. They could come in useful for home defense or hunting, not just drones.
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how big a net can you fit into a 12 ga hull, and how high can it go and how accurate can it be?

Do you not have any real life experience?
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I am simply asking if it exists. There is no need to get your panties in a bundle, son.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!

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98 degrees
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Also read in another thread about 12ga shotgun shells that fire small entanglement nets. I can't any information on these. They could come in useful for home defense or hunting, not just drones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205298


how big a net can you fit into a 12 ga hull, and how high can it go and how accurate can it be?

Do you not have any real life experience?
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I am simply asking if it exists. There is no need to get your panties in a bundle, son.
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'son'?
No mature adult of any stature imagines they can shoot down a military drone with a magic spidey net from a fowling piece.
one may well ask if there is a 12bore heliocoptor, or a 12 bore velicipede or velociraptor or somesuch, the clear nonsense of the question boggles the mind.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!

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Good point, so the road flares thing is BS.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Also read in another thread about 12ga shotgun shells that fire small entanglement nets. I can't any information on these. They could come in useful for home defense or hunting, not just drones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205298


how big a net can you fit into a 12 ga hull, and how high can it go and how accurate can it be?

Do you not have any real life experience?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11132818


I am simply asking if it exists. There is no need to get your panties in a bundle, son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205298


'son'?
No mature adult of any stature imagines they can shoot down a military drone with a magic spidey net from a fowling piece.
one may well ask if there is a 12bore heliocoptor, or a 12 bore velicipede or velociraptor or somesuch, the clear nonsense of the question boggles the mind.
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I didn't imagine it, someone else on another thread did.

If you want to answer my questions, I would greatly appreciate your input.

If you want to insult me, I can insult you too, but that's not very productive.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!

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Good point, so the road flares thing is BS.
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Yes, and the drone has more than FLIR.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!

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specifically what you would be attempting to achieve is an overload of the sensor, often called 'blooming' so that the area affected is obscured to some degree. To affect sensors on gov.mil equiptment you may need to place that flare on top of 25 or so pounds of high explosive and it should work for up to 10 seconds after the initial explosion.

pretty much not much a civilian can do against an mil drone but to stay in the sewers under a foot or more of soil.

now if you are talking about smaller portable targeting scopes, then IR lazer countermeasures or IR strobes may be able to interfere with the ABC circuitry and keep you from collecting a bullet, but dont count on it to work more than once
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
road flares burn at 3,000 degrees, Humans are 198 degrees.

You will stick out like a sore thumb!

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Good point, so the road flares thing is BS.
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Yes, and the drone has more than FLIR.
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blimey! good point!
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Space blanket padding.....or heat shield type outfit....look up collumbia wear <---- that's close to your body.
1 to 2 feet from you ....umbrella in a shape of local brush, bush, same deal ..facing you space blanket heat reflective material...out side foliage to blend : with ambient temperature, to scramble shape recognition.
Learn to move wo exposing HOT body parts, some software does landscape comps for sudden changes in images...move slowly.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Space blanket padding.....or heat shield type outfit....look up collumbia wear <---- that's close to your body.
1 to 2 feet from you ....umbrella in a shape of local brush, bush, same deal ..facing you space blanket heat reflective material...out side foliage to blend : with ambient temperature, to scramble shape recognition.
Learn to move wo exposing HOT body parts, some software does landscape comps for sudden changes in images...move slowly.
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some people dont have time to read the entire thread, and in so doing simply waste everyones time by sticking to their own, very limited understanding of what the question was really about.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Space blanket padding.....or heat shield type outfit....look up collumbia wear <---- that's close to your body.
1 to 2 feet from you ....umbrella in a shape of local brush, bush, same deal ..facing you space blanket heat reflective material...out side foliage to blend : with ambient temperature, to scramble shape recognition.
Learn to move wo exposing HOT body parts, some software does landscape comps for sudden changes in images...move slowly.
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I have heard elsewhere that the space blankets are not effective. Not sure on that one.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
No...
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Just a hypothetical question...I have read that IR flashlights can cause difficulty detecting a human using infra-red or Flir. Any truth to this or is it BS?
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Space blanket padding.....or heat shield type outfit....look up collumbia wear <---- that's close to your body.
1 to 2 feet from you ....umbrella in a shape of local brush, bush, same deal ..facing you space blanket heat reflective material...out side foliage to blend : with ambient temperature, to scramble shape recognition.
Learn to move wo exposing HOT body parts, some software does landscape comps for sudden changes in images...move slowly.
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98.6. Is body temp where the fuck do you live........lol
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Space blanket padding.....or heat shield type outfit....look up collumbia wear <---- that's close to your body.
1 to 2 feet from you ....umbrella in a shape of local brush, bush, same deal ..facing you space blanket heat reflective material...out side foliage to blend : with ambient temperature, to scramble shape recognition.
Learn to move wo exposing HOT body parts, some software does landscape comps for sudden changes in images...move slowly.
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I have heard elsewhere that the space blankets are not effective. Not sure on that one.
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If...it have EMF and/or MRI type sensors ...good luck
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
the real question is this:

"what gimmick can I imagine to fool a despotic government bent on destroying me and my nation for it's own profit, so I dont have to do anything strenuous or take any risks?"

That's the real question, innit, how to survive evil while doing nowt to prevent any damn thing.
dont you think that those that imagined systems to kill your from a few thousand meters altitude would have made sure that the ignorant and lazy NASCARoids would not simply wave their beer cans and bongs and hide safely behind them?


The cure is PREVENTION, that's the only thing that works every time
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
do you really think all those cameras the forestry department put out there are really for 'watching/tracking' the animals?????

don't forget sound as well.....how you walk, if you talk....
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
funny, innit? you lot wondering what to do with nothing, alone, while on the run and targeted from a despotic gummint, while you sit with all your resources, time and potential to do something, and yet do nothing.

If you dont have the time or inclination to do anything now, when youre rested, well fed and cozy in your nest, how will it be easier or successful when the hammer comes down?
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Micro wave transmitter. Almost every house hold has one.

focused and directed can created some interesting results.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Just a hypothetical question...I have read that IR flashlights can cause difficulty detecting a human using infra-red or Flir. Any truth to this or is it BS?
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ir LASERS from old CD drives do the trick with the care not to blind anyone..
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Just a hypothetical question...I have read that IR flashlights can cause difficulty detecting a human using infra-red or Flir. Any truth to this or is it BS?
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from your link:


"Hiding one’s heat signature is difficult, but not impossible. The key, as David learned through military sniper training manuals and combat analysis, was to match his IR signature with that of his surrounding as much as possible.

He fashioned a hooded cloak using a material that would block much of his initial warmth, then lined the inside of it with emergency space blanket material, which reflects back around 90% body heat. The cloak design worked well because he could easily take down the hood and unwrap himself when not in immediate danger, allowing the material to cool as he walked.

Then David attached local vegetation to the material to help match its IR Emissivity to the surrounding foliage. This combination reduced his thermal signature drastically. Overhead drones could not identify him clearly as a human, if they were able to see him at all. Ground forces were a greater threat, but the element of surprise was still possible for the insurgents with cloaks."
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Intercept the drone with an RC plane and ram it. So long as the RC is in your sight you can fly it a considerable distance and altitude.

You'd need a live feed wireless camera on it so you could actually hit the drone, I imagine.
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Re: Are IR flashlights and road flares effective thermal countermeasures against drones?
Snipers and others often put acetate over windows. It blocks thermals and can be seen through clearly enough to take a long shot through.

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