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'British' family shot in France were Iraqi,..

 
Conrach

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the guy was afraid of something or someone and could have been 'lured' to the remote area in france to meet with the person/persons

perhaps he was meeting with someone and perhaps he was 'selling' information, was blackmailed and could not get out of the situation

they lured him there under false pretences, then finished him off
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Why he bring granny to such a thing? Everybody knows grannies will tattle.

Also his wife and the kids.
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But the older lady isn't the granny! The prosecuter d'Annecy has said they haven't been able to identify her.

I don't know if this has been confirmed....That the Swedish passport belonged to a lady that was alive and well and in Sweden!! I have read this in a few news sources and online forums but it didn't come from the French police. Can anyone confirm or deny???
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Could this have anything too do with that RQ-170 sentinel that was hacked down in Iran,ive heard on this site he made a trip too Iran or was in communication with them, so im not sure whether this point is valid,what did this guy do in the satelite communications industry anyways.
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So when is the movie coming out?
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I don't know if this has been confirmed....That the Swedish passport belonged to a lady that was alive and well and in Sweden!! I have read this in a few news sources and online forums but it didn't come from the French police. Can anyone confirm or deny???
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This is sounding an awful lot like that Mossad hit against that Hezbollah leader in Saudi Hotel, all of the KILL TEAM on faked passports.

Hmm,...
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So when is the movie coming out?
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Bourne 5 (or Outcome 2) might deal with the infiltration of Mossad? The Erik Van Lustbader post-Bourne1,2,3 book franchise certainly does...
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Prefessional hit. Now, who goes around the world assassinating people
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I bit to high profile for the Mossad. If thats where ya are going..but ya never know and we wont know the truth either...News headline from Friday: "British family commits suicide"..
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your right, much too sloppy for mossad.
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maybe the family was "escaping" to sweden
swedish lady was to guide them into country
random killed biker was also to go

all for protection

raf biker: spying on them, or spotter for shooters

trajectory of bullets would be interesting

were the shooters snipers and ground force combined?

bump and suggest pin
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maybe the family was "escaping" to sweden
swedish lady was to guide them into country
random killed biker was also to go

all for protection

raf biker: spying on them, or spotter for shooters

trajectory of bullets would be interesting

were the shooters snipers and ground force combined?

bump and suggest pin
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great logic....
I would love these questions answered...
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FINALLY, A PIN!

Woohoo!

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maybe the family was "escaping" to sweden
swedish lady was to guide them into country
random killed biker was also to go

all for protection

raf biker: spying on them, or spotter for shooters

trajectory of bullets would be interesting

were the shooters snipers and ground force combined?

bump and suggest pin
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great logic....
I would love these questions answered...
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I don't think those questions will be answered any time soon. Certainly not by the Gendarmerie anyway...Rightly so too!!
They are keeping their info very close to their chest much to the annoyance of the British press who are now speculating loads with their "experts" who know as little as we do.

2 things we do know and I have mentioned in this thread and were never picked up on.
1.)Letter Rogatory/Rogatory interviews infamously take weeks though in most cases months to process, even in high profile cases. This case took 24 hours. Why did the French request it so quickly and why did the British grant permission so quickly?

2.)The day after the intial forensic search of the Al-Hilli home the firearms specialists did a search with armed officers..why? What was found yesterday? I know we can only speculate but I think this is important!

I think the almost un-precedented speed that the French were given permission to search the victims home is very important in this.
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good that this was PIN'd - pity it took so long

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The 4 year old is out of the coma, breaking on French TV
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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Updated news:

-There was more than one killer, they know the number of weapons used and the type.

-The cyclist was shot 7 times

-The 7 year old was already outside the car when it started.

[link to www.theweek.co.uk]

The rest of the article is speculation from John O'Connor and a few others but the above 3 points are FACT from the French investigators.
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is it not obvious that he was there to meet the cyclist????

thats why they were both killed ... the information had already been passed over?
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Cyclist shot 7 times, cyclist is the key to the mystery
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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Updated news:

-There was more than one killer, they know the number of weapons used and the type.

-The cyclist was shot 7 times

-The 7 year old was already outside the car when it started.

[link to www.theweek.co.uk]

The rest of the article is speculation from John O'Connor and a few others but the above 3 points are FACT from the French investigators.
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lots of sevens beginning to appear
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Cyclist shot 7 times, cyclist is the key to the mystery
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is it not obvious that he was there to meet the cyclist????

thats why they were both killed ... the information had already been passed over?
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Cyclist shot 7 times, cyclist is the key to the mystery
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is it not obvious that he was there to meet the cyclist????

thats why they were both killed ... the information had already been passed over?
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He was the one who got the most attention (7 shots), he was the one who could not live to be a witness.

he worked for Areva (nuclear Fuel), Al Hilli for Space and Drone technology, an Iranian link?

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Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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French police have just released the identity of the 'British' man driving the car where the family were shot in France.

I googled the man's name, Saad Al-Hilli, who was born in Iraq, and it turns out he runs an aerial surveillance business based in Wiltshire (where there's a huge military base) in the UK.

Police have said that the hit looked professional, 'like an assassination'. It was carried out with a semi-automatic. Doesn't sound like a straightforward car-jacking to me!
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It's French intelligence's revenge for failed assassination of Quebec's newly elected PM:

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English terrorists tried and failed thanks God. Unfortunately they killed an innocent person.

You won't see it on CNN network of lies. Underground WWIII has just began. And the players are in for a huge surprise. lol
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The 4 year old is out of the coma, breaking on French TV
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7 year old out of coma called zainab, 4 year old zena back in UK,

Now mass killings in Iraq, is there a link. Even MSM saying it could well be work related, too many variables, lets see what the 7 year old says.
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The 4 year old is out of the coma, breaking on French TV
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7 year old out of coma called zainab, 4 year old zena back in UK,

Now mass killings in Iraq, is there a link. Even MSM saying it could well be work related, too many variables, lets see what the 7 year old says.
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Affirmative, my mistake
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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A neighbour is saying that saad was concerned about documents he had hidden in his house, he was stressed about something. This is so fustrating and a real mystery, wish we had more answers.
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The 4 year old is out of the coma, breaking on French TV
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7 year old out of coma called zainab, 4 year old zena back in UK,

Now mass killings in Iraq, is there a link. Even MSM saying it could well be work related, too many variables, lets see what the 7 year old says.
 Quoting: THE DOGS BOLLOCKS


Affirmative, my mistake
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No worries friend, there so much to this case hard to keep track of it all.
Its a dog-eat-dog world and I got bigger teeth than you.

There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. - Sun Tzu

Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? - Sun Tzu

One should not interpret the word “Revolution” in its literal sense. Various meanings and significances are attributed to this word, according to the interests of those who use or misuse it. For the established agencies of exploitation it conjures up a feeling of blood stained horror. To the revolutionaries it is a sacred phrase. - Bhagat Singh
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From France 24. [link to www.france24.com]

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Investigators, however, have so far declined to reveal the results of ballistic tests on the 25 bullets fired in the attack, for fear it may jeopardise their inquiry.

Annecy’s state prosecutor Eric Maillaud has a team of forty officers working around the clock as pressure grows to catch those responsible.

In a press conference on Saturday, Maillaud flatly refused to answer many questions from the media but vowed to catch those responsible for the shootings.

Earlier Maillaud told FRANCE 24 that “the explanation for these murders presumably lies in Britain”. His colleague working with Surrey police in the UK, Colonel Marc de Tarle, said the investigation was likely to be "long and complex".


-Detectives are trying to trace a motorbike and dark-coloured 4x4 vehicle seen by a witness driving on the road near the scene of the crime shortly after the murders.

Local Annecy newspaper Le Dauphiné Liberé reported on Sunday that a female driver claimed she had been threatened by a hooded man, holding a handgun, who was travelling in a dark coloured 4x4. The incident reportedly happened Thursday night, the day after the murders.


No harm to the lady and I am sure she had a frightening experience but I am sure the shooters weren't hanging about to threaten random females.
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i think they were in the wrong place at the wrong time saw the ciclist geting shot and they were the witneses and tryed to turn around and drive away but as they were backing up to turn round they were hit,the girl must have got out of the car and ran for her life then returned after the shooter had gone to see her parents and the other ciclist then saw her and phoned for help.they were on a regular family holiday with there kids an ordinary family,
i think they have nothing to do with this and were wittneses to the other bloke on bike being shot.if this irac bloke was the target they would have waited till he was alone not when he was with the whole family.
poor poor children i feel so sorry for them especialy the 4 year old girl as she was apparently very clingy and all her mom,now it must be very scary and sad for her, children that age dont understand death properly.its very very sad.
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Prefessional hit. Now, who goes around the world assassinating people
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the united states sorry to say
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From France 24. [link to www.france24.com]

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Investigators, however, have so far declined to reveal the results of ballistic tests on the 25 bullets fired in the attack, for fear it may jeopardise their inquiry.

Annecy’s state prosecutor Eric Maillaud has a team of forty officers working around the clock as pressure grows to catch those responsible.

In a press conference on Saturday, Maillaud flatly refused to answer many questions from the media but vowed to catch those responsible for the shootings.

Earlier Maillaud told FRANCE 24 that “the explanation for these murders presumably lies in Britain”. His colleague working with Surrey police in the UK, Colonel Marc de Tarle, said the investigation was likely to be "long and complex".


-Detectives are trying to trace a motorbike and dark-coloured 4x4 vehicle seen by a witness driving on the road near the scene of the crime shortly after the murders.

Local Annecy newspaper Le Dauphiné Liberé reported on Sunday that a female driver claimed she had been threatened by a hooded man, holding a handgun, who was travelling in a dark coloured 4x4. The incident reportedly happened Thursday night, the day after the murders.


No harm to the lady and I am sure she had a frightening experience but I am sure the shooters weren't hanging about to threaten random females.
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Totally agree, only a idiot would stay in the area after killing so many people.
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One should not interpret the word “Revolution” in its literal sense. Various meanings and significances are attributed to this word, according to the interests of those who use or misuse it. For the established agencies of exploitation it conjures up a feeling of blood stained horror. To the revolutionaries it is a sacred phrase. - Bhagat Singh
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French journalist say that there is a "secret defence" notice on 75% of the information regarding this case.
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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French police have just released the identity of the 'British' man driving the car where the family were shot in France.

I googled the man's name, Saad Al-Hilli, who was born in Iraq, and it turns out he runs an aerial surveillance business based in Wiltshire (where there's a huge military base) in the UK.

Police have said that the hit looked professional, 'like an assassination'. It was carried out with a semi-automatic. Doesn't sound like a straightforward car-jacking to me!
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it was an pro assassination, most likely the other competition paid for the French plot


The Police should should first look at all competition within 50 miles, when they gather them, look into their banking information, for large sums of money being deposited out of the bank account.


thats what i would've done, it seems local competition paid for the assassination, the Assassin probably is moving through the unstable parts of Europe

Like Albania,Kosovo and Malta to Italy
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French police have just released the identity of the 'British' man driving the car where the family were shot in France.

I googled the man's name, Saad Al-Hilli, who was born in Iraq, and it turns out he runs an aerial surveillance business based in Wiltshire (where there's a huge military base) in the UK.

Police have said that the hit looked professional, 'like an assassination'. It was carried out with a semi-automatic. Doesn't sound like a straightforward car-jacking to me!
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it was an pro assassination, most likely the other competition paid for the French plot


The Police should should first look at all competition within 50 miles, when they gather them, look into their banking information, for large sums of money being deposited out of the bank account.


thats what i would've done, it seems local competition paid for the assassination, the Assassin probably is moving through the unstable parts of Europe

Like Albania,Kosovo and Malta to Italy
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and...monitor all mobile phone calls made prior, during and after the shooting, within first close range to the killing, then further on

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Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.

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