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'British' family shot in France were Iraqi,..

 
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09/08/2012 09:48 AM
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Slight aside, but zircaloy has had some corrosion issues.

[link to www.antinternational.com]

Newer alloys seem to be coming into favor. Chalk River CRUD mentioned in article above. Brings to mind the work of another deceased scientist:

[link to neutrons.ornl.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11634244


Great work, it would then mean that the French cyclist's death was not a random act either...
 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


ok i have a theory!

the dead cyclist was meeting the guy in the car to discuss or trade nuc data. the dead cyclist was being tailed by the "ex-raf" guy. another agency was interested in stopping the meeting and sending a message. bad timing.

- unless mr.raf did it.
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Why bother admitting to him being RAF at all if it was something important?
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09/08/2012 10:00 AM
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The one concession I will give to a conspiracy is the position of the car and that someone knew they planned to visit the lake.

Still family members would also know their patterns.
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09/08/2012 10:13 AM
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Saad Al Hilli's work with the Iraqi nuclear program was under duress as a result of Saddam's Husseins threats against his family, there is no evidence he did it willingly.

 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


I guess you missed, that his father left Iraq to Britain in the early 70s and if he was now 50 he probably was about 10 years old - would have been a genious working in any nuclear program around this age...
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09/08/2012 02:28 PM
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The RAF man took them out.
Called it in, now its being covered up.
Misinformation about the brother, inheritance, blah blah blah blah blah.

Why they were taken out, we will never know.

The brutality that was used with the beating and torture of the young girl is beyond belief, this wasn't some random nut job killing, this was brutal clean professional.
To think there are so called "men" who are capable of acts of violence to this capacity living and walking amongst us sickens me.

Who ever was responsible I hope he/they/it suffers a long slow brutal painful agonizing death.
Sick son of a bitch.
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09/08/2012 02:30 PM
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they we're hit with 2 bullets in the head. Classical hit job. Portuguese media is covering this: [link to www.tvi24.iol.pt]

They all say the same: hit job.
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09/08/2012 03:17 PM
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As long as they are muzzies it's ok...
 Quoting: BRIEF


LOL.. You one of those guys who believes in religion? The elites set it up as a divider noob.
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When anyone calls for the death of my family and myself then they deserve death themselves...simple as that.
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monsanto in your kids food and floride in your kids water who you gonna kill???
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09/08/2012 03:59 PM
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The RAF man took them out.
Called it in, now its being covered up.
Misinformation about the brother, inheritance, blah blah blah blah blah.

Why they were taken out, we will never know.

The brutality that was used with the beating and torture of the young girl is beyond belief, this wasn't some random nut job killing, this was brutal clean professional.
To think there are so called "men" who are capable of acts of violence to this capacity living and walking amongst us sickens me.

Who ever was responsible I hope he/they/it suffers a long slow brutal painful agonizing death.
Sick son of a bitch.
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Rubbish, if RAFman did it, no need to call anything in at all, that would be the last thing a hit man would do.
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09/08/2012 04:01 PM
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they we're hit with 2 bullets in the head. Classical hit job. Portuguese media is covering this: [link to www.tvi24.iol.pt]

They all say the same: hit job.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23359497


And yet the hitman failed to take enough ammo to prevent him having to try and finish off the daughter with a blunt instrument?

Nah that's a botched job.
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09/08/2012 04:04 PM
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ffs,

seriously, is Al Hilli the guy who shat the Iraq WMD story to the west?

I can't think what search terms to find his name.
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As long as they are muzzies it's ok...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Fuckface they shot kids you fucking dumb son of a bitch! Do us a favor and drink some bleach . I bet you hate yourself and got assraped. Cant believe this fucking ignorance ass fuckrat
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09/08/2012 05:15 PM
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Just now on French's Itele

"Father recently visited Iraq"

Another question: who is the older Swedish woman that was killed, I mean, they found her passport, didn't they, so why no word?
 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


Ok this is strange, they are saying the older woman was Iqbal al-hilli's mother. but i'm sure the french prosecutor said yesterday that the 4 year old did not know who the older woman was and had only met her a few times.

Did anyone else see the press confrence? was I mistaken? I'm pretty sure thats what he said.
 Quoting: THE DOGS BOLLOCKS


Thats correct. He emphasised this point, that the little girl said she had been on holidays with her parents and she didn't know who the older woman was. I also found it strange that the Prosecuter d'Annecy again emphasised the point that they haven't established the relationship of the older lady to the family nor have they managed to identify her identity despite having a Swedish passport.(false passport)

Another British family (at the campsite) reported the Al-Hilli's missing. Were they travelling with them? Did they know the know the older lady? Was the older lady staying in the campsite with them? Didn't appear so, if the 4 year old was unaware of who she is. I wonder if she is the key to all this and the 2 cyclists were just 2 unfortunates--one witness and one who happened upon them.

Also it is a well known fact that Rogatory interviews/inquiries take weeks to arrange....this one took 24 hours!!
There was no messing about on either the French/British side.
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Re: 'British' family shot in France were Iraqi,..
they we're hit with 2 bullets in the head. Classical hit job. Portuguese media is covering this: [link to www.tvi24.iol.pt]

They all say the same: hit job.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23359497


And yet the hitman failed to take enough ammo to prevent him having to try and finish off the daughter with a blunt instrument?

Nah that's a botched job.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22481746


Not botched

All the others were shot in the head to make sure

The child in the shoulder

She was spared
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bemp
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09/08/2012 10:25 PM
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[link to www.winnipegfreepress.com]

Two rounds to the head of each of the four victims, and undisclosed number of other shots each. Number of rounds fired increased to 25.

Swedish passport belongs to someone living in Sweden. No "absolute" connection made between woman killed and the passport, nor the woman and the family.
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Thanks Canada, check out these comments

[link to www.craigmurray.org.uk]
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Slightly different take on the Swedish connection from Canada (AP reports) Mae Faisal El-Wailly, a childhood friend of the brothers, made available a letter written to her by Saad last year that alluded to a possible inheritance dispute….But El-Wailly added that she did not believe Zaid had anything to do with the killings…..Swedish authorities have confirmed that a passport discovered on the scene corresponds to a Swedish person living in Sweden. But as of yet no absolute connection has been made between the older woman in the car and the passport or between her and the rest of the victims, authorities said.
8 Sept, [link to metronews.ca]
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- unless mr.raf did it.

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Shirley Knot, reporting.

;)
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09/09/2012 03:20 AM
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ironically, prior to all this, I'd just read the book and watched the film KILLER ELITE ... and that opens with a man SPARING THE LIFE OF A CHILD during such an attack on a car.

Everyone killed but the kid.

That was revenge attacks for crimes committed by the SAS in Oman... what's the Iraqi/Iran angle on this story looking like?

Are you convinced?
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Mr Al-Hilli worked on map-making satellites, such as this one, police have discovered that the engineer was working on a secret contract for one of Europe's biggest defence companies

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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Slightly different take on the Swedish connection from Canada (AP reports) Mae Faisal El-Wailly, a childhood friend of the brothers, made available a letter written to her by Saad last year that alluded to a possible inheritance dispute….But El-Wailly added that she did not believe Zaid had anything to do with the killings…..Swedish authorities have confirmed that a passport discovered on the scene corresponds to a Swedish person living in Sweden. But as of yet no absolute connection has been made between the older woman in the car and the passport or between her and the rest of the victims, authorities said.
8 Sept, [link to metronews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21335503


That's bizarre.Why would this woman travel on a day out with her passport? Is that normal and if so why didn't anyone else have their passports with them then?

There's always a random PASSPORT in these kinds of incidents.
Reminds me of the random passport that just happened to be found at the 9/11 site that "just happened" to belong to one of the perps.
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Reminds me of the random passport that just happened to be found at the 9/11 site that "just happened" to belong to one of the perps.
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Yeah, and the ID-information for one of the '7/7 london 2005 bombers' in THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS... ya know ... and the eight shots to the face of the not-puffer-jacket-wearing Jean Charles de Menezes, oh and Dr David Kelly's bloodless suicide in Oxford woods, oh and the HEARLTESSLY BROADCAST PERVERSION(s) i.e. smear campaing against poor body-in-bag GCHQ-hacker Gareth Williams.

Seems the mainstream media's role is just to MUDDY THE WATERS.
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Something else I've only just thought of. The work he did wouldn't make him a millionaire, but he had a good house in Claygate. Claygate's a stockbroker area, multi-million pound houses only. How did he afford this - spying?
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the guy was afraid of something or someone and could have been 'lured' to the remote area in france to meet with the person/persons

perhaps he was meeting with someone and perhaps he was 'selling' information, was blackmailed and could not get out of the situation

they lured him there under false pretences, then finished him off
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According to SKY news at 12 noon.

The Al-Hilli house is being searched by armed officers and by firearms inspectors, yesterday a forensic search was done.
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Said Al Hilli worked for a top secret MI5 "Aerial drone photography reconnaissance program" aimed towards Iran's nuclear facilities.
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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Said Al Hilli worked for a top secret MI5 "Aerial drone photography reconnaissance program" aimed towards Iran's nuclear facilities.
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Yeah it's in today's Daily Mail:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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the guy was afraid of something or someone and could have been 'lured' to the remote area in france to meet with the person/persons

perhaps he was meeting with someone and perhaps he was 'selling' information, was blackmailed and could not get out of the situation

they lured him there under false pretences, then finished him off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20129820


Why he bring granny to such a thing? Everybody knows grannies will tattle.

Also his wife and the kids.
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the guy was afraid of something or someone and could have been 'lured' to the remote area in france to meet with the person/persons

perhaps he was meeting with someone and perhaps he was 'selling' information, was blackmailed and could not get out of the situation

they lured him there under false pretences, then finished him off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20129820


Why he bring granny to such a thing? Everybody knows grannies will tattle.

Also his wife and the kids.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Did the Swedish press talk at all about the identity of the Swedish grandma?
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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If it is a hit then it will be by a country which is friendly with France but not the UK. They could have shot this guy any time in the UK but they waited until he was in France. If they shot the right person that is.

Also everyone is talking about the father but what about the other people killed. Any one of them could have been the target.
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ISRAEL !!!
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The RAF man took them out.
Called it in, now its being covered up.
Misinformation about the brother, inheritance, blah blah blah blah blah.

Why they were taken out, we will never know.

The brutality that was used with the beating and torture of the young girl is beyond belief, this wasn't some random nut job killing, this was brutal clean professional.
To think there are so called "men" who are capable of acts of violence to this capacity living and walking amongst us sickens me.

Who ever was responsible I hope he/they/it suffers a long slow brutal painful agonizing death.
Sick son of a bitch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23352836


Rubbish, if RAFman did it, no need to call anything in at all, that would be the last thing a hit man would do.
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That what they want you to think.

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