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Quite simply, our opinions differ on this point. For the time being.

You say the RAF man was on a protection mission. Being English, I know how thick British 'intelligence' actually is. It's more likely this guy is just one contact point in a ruse to pull off a very elaborate media deception (i.e. an intelligence operation, because that's what most intelligence operations are - media deceptions).

At this stage, nobody can be too confident that their perspective is 100% correct. We don't know enough.
I don't say anything, I hoovered up all the info I could before the D notice kicked in. Many sites are complying, some aren't. It is in the public's interest to know these drum beats of war.

I'm English too and have far more experience than you, going by your stance (dead wrong) on this thread.

Now surprise surprise you're changing your tune...
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06-09-2012, 11:29 AM   #122
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According to you nothing is real.

Whilst there are indeed grand psyops like 911 and 77 this is not one of them.
Bradstones not real! He's just a figment of your imagination!
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06-09-2012, 11:37 AM   #123
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Bradstones not real! He's just a figment of your imagination!
Shut it Sherlock!

From another forum:

British ex-airforce guy on his mountain bike is overtaken on a road by a local Frenchman on his mountain bike.

Later on, British ex-airforce guy arrives at a car that's shot to shit. Sees the local cyclist who'd passed him earlier.

In the shot to shit car, man, woman and older woman (we're not sure they're the same family, we're not sure of their IDs) are all shot THROUGH THE CENTRE OF THEIR HEADS.

Nobody finds the girl (hidden under one of the female adults skirts) for EIGHT HOURS.

You really can't write this shit any worse than this shit.
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06-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #124
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Details coming out slowly...

Male shot dead in the car was a "British resident, born in Baghdad".

French Police earlier quoted as saying the lack of bullet casings etc is "Consistent with an assassination"
Oh fuck then they deffo shot him cos he was English man
 
06-09-2012, 11:52 AM   #125
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Oh fuck then they deffo shot him cos he was English man
Early reports say 15 bullets and an automatic, a Uzi??? Does not sound like 3 taps to 3 foreheads. What happened to the double tap? I feel dreadfully sorry for the two girls, especially the youngest at only 4. She will have suffered tremendous trauma.

A British cyclist discovered the massacre after he spotted Zainab about to faint in the middle of the remote road.

After calling the emergency services, the man discovered cyclist Mr Mollier lying dead near to the family’s car.

The man broke the window of the BMW 4x4, the engine of which was still running, and found the three victims shot dead.

Zainab was taken to hospital with a fractured skull where she was put into a medically induced coma.

Public prosecutor Eric Maillaud said her sister Zeena was "terrorised, immobile, in the midst of the bodies".


Crime scene: Police at the French Alpine village of Chevaline, France

Eastern France: The shootings took place in a wooded area near the village of Chevaline

Picturesque: Lake Annecy in the Chevaline area of eastern France

Help: Fire rescue vehicles search the remote path to the car park in the French Alps forest

Aerial view: The Solitaire du lac campsite where the British family were staying

Family caravan: The British family were staying in this mobile home

Awning inspection: Police scour the campsite

Forensic search: French police stand guard near the family's caravan

Camping holiday: Families from all over Europe enjoy a break at the popular site

Press conference: Public prosecutor Eric Maillaud at the crime scene

Sad scene: Hearses drive past police in the village of Chevaline

Police briefing: Mr Maillaud gave more details of the shootings at lunchtime

Police Q&A: Lt Col. Benoit Vinneman answers questions during a press conference

Surrey home: This is believed to be the property of the family gunned down in France

Flower tribute: A police officer lays flowers at the home in Claygate, Surrey
 

 
He said: "As soon as the first forensics began, we were able to open the vehicle, and it was at that moment we discovered the little girl, around four years old, that nobody had seen, because she hadn't moved, completely in shock and completely frozen.

"It was very moving. She started smiling when she was in the arms of the gendarme who rescued her.

"She spoke a little in English. She asked where her parents were.

"This is a little girl who chattered away at first then, little by little, started to realise that when she called for her mum, Mummy just wasn't there."
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06-09-2012, 12:04 PM   #126
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He worked with Satellites-heavy duty ,not erecting folks-something much bigger here
 
06-09-2012, 12:12 PM   #127
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And it's stories like this that make me glad I'm a member of this forum*.
anders7777, you might not like me, but you've really done a fantastic job on this thread. The "D Notice" is seriously fishy. You've done a great job getting the facts.
I've got nothing more to say on this. It's not "I've got no opinions and go along with the flow". It's more "Well I thought it was a robbery gone wrong, until I learned of the D Notice and learned of the poor unfortunate's career history".

I haven't felt this sick in my stomach since Dr David Kelly's murder. Sorry "suicide". I know I'm going to be fighting a losing battle against the support for the Iranian war. Maybe not online, but certainly with the people I meet.

*=And deffo not in a "Yes! Human suffering! Let's listen to the crackpots take!" way.
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06-09-2012, 12:18 PM   #128
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Why is nobody thinking along the lines of a simple hate Killing? " It `s France we are talking about".

I would be interested in what this family were wearing at the time of this terrible Act.

PS. 6 wouldn`t be allocated as security for this guy. If he was really important he just would be told to stay in UK and No Hols allowed .
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06-09-2012, 12:22 PM   #129
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And it's stories like this that make me glad I'm a member of this forum*.
anders7777, you might not like me, but you've really done a fantastic job on this thread. The "D Notice" is seriously fishy. You've done a great job getting the facts.
I've got nothing more to say on this. It's not "I've got no opinions and go along with the flow". It's more "Well I thought it was a robbery gone wrong, until I learned of the D Notice and learned of the poor unfortunate's career history".

I haven't felt this sick in my stomach since Dr David Kelly's murder. Sorry "suicide". I know I'm going to be fighting a losing battle against the support for the Iranian war. Maybe not online, but certainly with the people I meet.

*=And deffo not in a "Yes! Human suffering! Let's listen to the crackpots take!" way.
Nice honest post. We all have our differences, but honestly, this also totally reminds me of the Kelly assassination, Brit against Brit. I feel quite sick right now tbh. These are all pre-war games IMHO.
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Why is nobody thinking along the lines of a simple hate Killing? " It `s France we are talking about".

I would be interested in what this family were wearing at the time of this terrible Act.

PS. 6 wouldn`t be allocated as security for this guy he just would be told to stay in UK and No Hols allowed .
It WAS a hate killing, but a state sponsored one. All the evidence is here. D notices do not go out for a random nut job shooting.
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06-09-2012, 12:25 PM   #131
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And it's stories like this that make me glad I'm a member of this forum*.
anders7777, you might not like me, but you've really done a fantastic job on this thread. The "D Notice" is seriously fishy. You've done a great job getting the facts.
I've got nothing more to say on this. It's not "I've got no opinions and go along with the flow". It's more "Well I thought it was a robbery gone wrong, until I learned of the D Notice and learned of the poor unfortunate's career history".

I haven't felt this sick in my stomach since Dr David Kelly's murder. Sorry "suicide". I know I'm going to be fighting a losing battle against the support for the Iranian war. Maybe not online, but certainly with the people I meet.

*=And deffo not in a "Yes! Human suffering! Let's listen to the crackpots take!" way.
I second that...you're killing in on here Anders....keep going. Incredible research. X
 
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What do we think this guy knew then? Was he on the run with his family?
 
06-09-2012, 12:29 PM   #133
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im sorry to point something out...

if the car was "shot up" why break a window to turn the engine off???

he notices after breaking open the car three bodies.. wouldnt you look inside first

why all 3 be shot in the head but 15 rounds fired

why was the 8 yr old outside the car yet the car was locked from the picture of the car where are the skid marks?

to shoot someone in the head you need to select single shot not semi or full automatic but when the first person..(prob driver) was shot to disable them escaping.. most people cover there heads for protection so harder to get a clean head shot of the other two...

how does a cyclist who does it for a hobby..get overtaken by a 40 yr old local riding from work.. im knacked after work but i guess its not impossible...

if he was only shortly over taken by the poor french chap when no sounds of gun fire or even screams he could only be a few hundred meter behind the other cyclists

if they knew he was taking that route they would know who he was travelling with... that included the 4 yr old.

the fact that so many G men have gone out there to assist the police shows they didntexpect it to me... if everyones a illumanist as some have asserted then it would just get cleaned up..

now if a RAF bloke was riding up the hill and came across a young girl staggering across the road towards a car... wouldnt he say what all militery people call laying someone on there side.. the recovery position..

for me i reckon it could be a devid kelly moment.. maybe he knew they didnt have WMD in iran the same in iraq.. how many people get to use militery aircraft to take photos(friends in high places me thinks)...so they need to plant evidence that they do so the dogs of war can be let loose... again
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06-09-2012, 12:31 PM   #134
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Why is nobody thinking along the lines of a simple hate Killing? " It `s France we are talking about".

I would be interested in what this family were wearing at the time of this terrible Act.

PS. 6 wouldn`t be allocated as security for this guy. If he was really important he just would be told to stay in UK and No Hols allowed .
I don't get why the RAF spooky type needed to break a window. And with what? I have a window breaker on my Delta ti knife, but who carries a glass breaker? Early reports say 15 bullets were fired from an automatic, an Uzi??? This does not sound like 3 shots to 3 foreheads.
 


Exactly, as with the 15 magic bullets theory, on french news, they just said "All the dead have at least one bullet in the middle of the forehead", with several more bullets in them, this is military commando style, I tell you...
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06-09-2012, 12:33 PM   #135
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First pictures of the bullet ridden car, tell me what's wrong with that picture...

www.mirror.co.uk

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]


I assume you mean the comment made at the end of the story. They've got that covered. The British bicyclist broke "the window". Odd that he would break "the" window, when the front window was already shot out, and bullet holes were in the drive side window. Odd indeed that 15 casings were found, after all that shooting, and how the victims had one bullet shot to the middle of the forehead each. You'd think all that shooting would have caused some random injuries.

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Why did someone back the vehicle up into the embankment?

Why were British and French bicyclists racing to the scene of...nothing?
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06-09-2012, 12:33 PM   #136
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Very dodgy story. Wouldn't know where to begin. The RAF guy on the bike perhaps....... "I just cycled up the road and discovered the car" = Suspect no.1.
 
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I second that...you're killing in on here Anders....keep going. Incredible research. X
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I don't get why the RAF spooky type needed to break a window. And with what? I have a window breaker on my Delta ti knife, but who carries a glass breaker? Early reports say 15 bullets were fired from an automatic, an Uzi??? This does not sound like 3 shots to 3 foreheads.
 


Exactly, as with the 15 magic bullets theory, on french news, they just said "All the dead have at least one bullet in the middle of the forehead", with several more bullets in them, this is military commando style, I tell you...
Clearly a hit...they wanted this guy taken out...sick fucks.
Do we think he was on holiday in this place or on the run?
What do we think he knew that they needed to silence him for?
 
06-09-2012, 12:40 PM   #139
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What do we think this guy knew then? Was he on the run with his family?
I posted earlier that he was maybe eventually on a pilgrimage to Qom. Rumours he may have been a double agent, not after all working for the Brits. Need to double check all that, it's on pages 4-6 somewhere.

From elsewhere, seeing as we were talking about Munich:

Canada, remember that scene with the killer cyclist in Spielberg's "Munich", here, we got two...

There is one killing in the movie which appears to have invaded from a completely different and much sicker movie. A beautiful female operative sets a "honey trap" for Avner, which he evades, but she nets an older member of the team, who is murdered in her hotel room. (We are not informed whether she killed the man herself or simply lured him to his death.) The team tracks her down to a houseboat in Holland, where they find her reading a book in her nightgown. Her first reaction when a stranger appears on her boat is not fear or anger, but a look of pure sexual hunger. A moment later, when she realizes that it is the Israeli team here to kill her, she begins calmly bargaining for her life: You already know how good I am, you should hire me. She exposes her beautiful breasts and asks: Why waste all this talent? (We see her ineffectively groping for a gun in a drawer while she talks, but she never finds it.) The team shoot her twice in the chest, with strange one-shot guns they have assembled from bicycle pumps (Spielberg loves his gadgets). She walks calmly across the room, her nightgown still hanging open, pets her cat, sits down in a chair and starts to die. A third member of the team then uses his own bicycle-pump-gun to shoot her in the head. Avner tries to close her nightgown, and another member of the team angrily makes him leave it open.
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06-09-2012, 12:41 PM   #140
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And the spooks change the story YET AGAIN!!!



Quick revision(ism):

[link to www.thedailybeast.com]

The vehicle was not sprayed with bullets as reported, and the British bicyclist broke the driver's window on the right side of the vehicle.
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