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Anonymous Coward
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It looks like they took a page from this book:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Right down to the convenient patsy.
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Yes, perhaps you are reading the other forum we are posting on, Sandra Barr brought up this fact.
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General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) has been flown from Paris to Chambery Airport according to Press TV. Chambrey is only a short drive from the site of the killing. He was 20 minutes on the tarmac before he left with three extra passengers. The helicopter flew on to Geneva
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Quelle surprise!?!?! So the Kidon team comprised three. Pretty much as I thought.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Head of SIBAT, the Israeli Defense Ministry's developing countries defense assistance division. Is France a developing country? Not.
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We need to be careful of this news, I did NOT find any mention of this article on PressTV
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It looks like they took a page from this book:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Right down to the convenient patsy.
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Yes, perhaps you are reading the other forum we are posting on, Sandra Barr brought up this fact.
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No, I haven't been to another forum. My own perception only. Remarkably similar: the alps, the family including children, the camping.
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General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) has been flown from Paris to Chambery Airport according to Press TV. Chambrey is only a short drive from the site of the killing. He was 20 minutes on the tarmac before he left with three extra passengers. The helicopter flew on to Geneva
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22864183




Quelle surprise!?!?! So the Kidon team comprised three. Pretty much as I thought.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Head of SIBAT, the Israeli Defense Ministry's developing countries defense assistance division. Is France a developing country? Not.
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Nice one mate!
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General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) has been flown from Paris to Chambery Airport according to Press TV. Chambrey is only a short drive from the site of the killing. He was 20 minutes on the tarmac before he left with three extra passengers. The helicopter flew on to Geneva
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22864183




Quelle surprise!?!?! So the Kidon team comprised three. Pretty much as I thought.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Head of SIBAT, the Israeli Defense Ministry's developing countries defense assistance division. Is France a developing country? Not.
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We need to be careful of this news, I did NOT find any mention of this article on PressTV
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Indeed. Misinformation? Suppression? No link provided by OP.
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It looks like they took a page from this book:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Right down to the convenient patsy.
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Yes, perhaps you are reading the other forum we are posting on, Sandra Barr brought up this fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21335503


No, I haven't been to another forum. My own perception only. Remarkably similar: the alps, the family including children, the camping.
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I'll quote the dialogue between myself and Sandra Barr: glp does not like the forum, but if u google some words u may find the thread.

Great work Anders!


Thanks Sandra! Coming from a seasoned expert like you, that has made my day! Obviously I am the same anders that sometimes posts to your blog/s. I think you should do one on this, the story like Edeilweiss Pirate says is potentially huge, like the Kelly one.


I might do a blog on this one, the first thing I thought of was Jack Drummond and his family, on aug 4/5 1952, Jack his wife and daughter were murdered at near enough the same place.


Now isn't THAT a coincidence??!!??


There has been speculation this years that it was a professional hit. Drummond was a scientist and for years he had been voicing concerns about how dangerous pesticides were.

He was a much respected and decorated scientist, at the time of his death he was "Apparently" working for Boots, and was researching cures for tropical diseases, whatever he was working on, Boots scrapped the project after his murder.

I read the book "the Vitamin Murders" about the killing years ago, a French peasant was set up for the murders. Drummond invented the word vitamin, it was he who first really documented the various nutritional benefits of various foods, and for years he was scathing in condemning pesticides as dangerous to human health, and destroying the nutrition of the food.


Fascinating, I must check into all that myself. Of course as we all know, Big Pharma would not hesitate to take out anyone who would dent their profits, they are trying to ban vitamins everywhere now via the FDA and Codex whateveritis Alimentarius!
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Sign at entry to dead-end road where the family was found:

Route Forestiere Domaniale de la Combe d'Ire
Dangerous Road
3 km further - Driving Prohibited
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09/07/2012 12:13 PM
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Development planned for the Combe d'Ire:

[link to translate.google.ca]
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Sign at entry to dead-end road where the family was found:

Route Forestiere Domaniale de la Combe d'Ire
Dangerous Road
3 km further - Driving Prohibited
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what were two cyclist doing having a race with each other up a dead end road?

this gets stranger and stranger!

great work from our Canadian friend!
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09/07/2012 12:23 PM
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Sign at entry to dead-end road where the family was found:

Route Forestiere Domaniale de la Combe d'Ire
Dangerous Road
3 km further - Driving Prohibited
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what were two cyclist doing having a race with each other up a dead end road?

this gets stranger and stranger!

great work from our Canadian friend!
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ach! just remembered there is an mtb trail at the end

i heard 2 mtbs

dunno if true but seems likely
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09/07/2012 12:24 PM
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Irony of the word "chevaline", in light of what has happened near Chevaline, France:

[link to www.cnduk.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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09/07/2012 12:28 PM
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Only one person, the little girl that got beat up, was found outside of the car ?

C´mon and according to the photo no blood or little to less (from the beat up girl?) outside of the car and everyone is just sitting inside the car waiting to get shot ? No shots heard? Maybe silencers ? They were just sitting there, not one trying to escape?

If that does not scream professional hit and multiple shooters (highly trained?) I don´t know what does!

The biker must have stumbled across the scene as it was happening and was taken out, no witnesses, maybe if he would not have shown up the little girls would be dead too, he interrupted the hit from it´s completion, maybe the shooters feared he would not have been the only biker, part of a biking group or something and escaped.

No matter what, this is so fishy and stinks to heaven and throws up just more questions over questions.

Btw. Yesterday I heard something on German TV, like "....was working for a space firm" but I probably just misheard that.

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Sounds more and more like a cover-up. There having a news conference at 16:00 GMT, lets see what they add to it.
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Watched the "news conference". More cover up! Sky said earlier that a woman witness had seen a man driving a white Peugeot speeding away, but the policeman got mad when he was asked about this in the press conference and totally denied it, saying someone had seen a green 4x4 but no white car. Right.
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Sign at entry to dead-end road where the family was found:

Route Forestiere Domaniale de la Combe d'Ire
Dangerous Road
3 km further - Driving Prohibited
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11634244


what were two cyclist doing having a race with each other up a dead end road?

this gets stranger and stranger!

great work from our Canadian friend!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21335503


ach! just remembered there is an mtb trail at the end

i heard 2 mtbs

dunno if true but seems likely
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Not such a nice place to ride a bike in 1993:

[link to www.centcols.org]

Broken glass, bad road, but nice view. Doesn't sound like a place to ride a bike at any sort of speed.
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Sounds more and more like a cover-up. There having a news conference at 16:00 GMT, lets see what they add to it.
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Watched the "news conference". More cover up! Sky said earlier that a woman witness had seen a man driving a white Peugeot speeding away, but the policeman got mad when he was asked about this in the press conference and totally denied it, saying someone had seen a green 4x4 but no white car. Right.
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Yeah he got a little testity when asked about the car and the the ammo, weapon types. Do you smell something fishy?
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Sounds more and more like a cover-up. There having a news conference at 16:00 GMT, lets see what they add to it.
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Watched the "news conference". More cover up! Sky said earlier that a woman witness had seen a man driving a white Peugeot speeding away, but the policeman got mad when he was asked about this in the press conference and totally denied it, saying someone had seen a green 4x4 but no white car. Right.
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Yeah he got a little testity when asked about the car and the the ammo, weapon types. Do you smell something fishy?
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That someone is the other bicyclist, the former RAF:

[link to www.independent.ie]

Motorbikes are the new motorbikes. Of course!
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What "information" would he want to get off a 7 to 8 year old?

Is cracking her skull with three blows likely to yield "information" do you think?

A white car was seen racing away from the scene, causing a French woman to swerve on the wrong side of the road, as the white car barely made the bend.

Perhaps the RAF/SAS guy was strapped to its roof, or taking a tow?
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He didnt get the information from the girl dumb ass

He tortured her to get her parents to answer questions

Why else would you pistol whip a girl and shoot her in the shoulder

she was torured

you can of course believe the official version where he happened on the scene
decided oh car with engine running I know lets smash a window and shut off the engine when all the other windows are shot to pieces
Then he notices theres a bunch of dead bodies in the car with the smashed window and the engine running
with the dying 7 year old and dead cyclist in the road

Hes not RAF hes SAS and
Hes the trigger man
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He tortured her to get her parents to answer questions

Why else would you pistol whip a girl and shoot her in the shoulder


Seek medical help you moron. You are clearly just a shill here to derail this thread and make us all look like idiots. It was a busy'ish road, and the whole shooting was hurried, you don't "torture" a kid by shooting her and pistol whipping her senseless - if the man needed to be forced to give info there are far easier ways of doing it in the UK - I.e. in his own detached home. SAS my arse!
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whatever
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Saad al-Hilli and his brother had been under surveillance in March 2003, according to a neighbor:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

March 2003 is a key date in this story:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Whoever was behind these murders, Lone wolf nut, Family member, or Spooks, it's impossible to understand how the perpertrator/s see themselves in human society, how it/they can justify in their insectile minds the beating and attempted murder of a child and murder of a family in front of a 4 yr old? How does something like this justify its presence amongst Humanity? This thing, or creature, is out there now, wasting oxygen, sucking up food and sharing space with Humanity after its appalling act, with the screams of the Mother, Father and children still ringing in its repulsive oral receptors; and I'm told it sounds like a beautiful symphony to these accidents of nature, these things that pretend to be fucking people. Yet some of us still see the need to keep them around when they get caught.
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^^^^THIS^^^^^
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I agree with a lot of the comments on here.
This stinks of a professional hit, carried out by multiple shooters, the question as to why they beat the 8 year old, it could be that whoever done this was after something maybe in the possession of the father?
As to the people questioning why they didn't do this in the UK, the UK happens to have more cameras then people, so CCTV would have picked up everything, and if all the cameras were suddenly down would have raised too many questions, so what better then a place in the middle of no where.
After all, it isn't the first time the UK secret service have assassinated people in France.
Remember Diana?
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Another report claims the al-Hilli family's trip to France was sudden, and occurred after Saad went to Iraq to claim back his family's property that had been seized by Saddam Hussein:

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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in german television they said, he worked for an space agency
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Bump
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he worked in high position of
a very well known "international" airport security firm.
So much to the space disinformation.
And it will come still better,
english iraki of ... descent...
triple nationality at least
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this stinking 'family argument over money' fed story sounds as fishy as the 'kinky sex stories' fished out to discredit GCHQ hacker Gareth Williams.

No?
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obviously a spy, taken out by the alfabetty spagettys

and they say cycling is good for you.
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The neighbour who mentioned the supposed family feud Jack Saltman [link to www.imdb.com]
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The neighbour who mentioned the supposed family feud Jack Saltman [link to www.imdb.com]
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The neighbour who mentioned the supposed family feud Jack Saltman [link to www.imdb.com]
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1972-1991 This Week (TV series)
– Guns of Baghdad (1991)
– Gulf 5 (1991)
– Dover Air Base, Delaware - Where the Dead Come Home (1991)
– Rain of Terror (1991)
– At War in the Gulf (1991)
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1988 Waldheim: A Commission of Inquiry (TV documentary) (producer)

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– A Question of Habit (1986) (producer)
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– One Man's Terrorist (1986) (producer)
– The Thin Green Line (1986) (producer)
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WOW

Nice find

Are they one and the same Jack Saltman?
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Neighbour Jack Saltman directs interview with Margaret Thatcher. Not just your average neighbour.

As part of the election coverage an interview with the leader of the Conservative Party, Margaret Thatcher


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