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Message Subject Eye Know the Nobody.
Poster Handle Jonny Blaze
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Interesting. I suppose that is somewhat valid, as they cannot tell the secrets.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

Can a lower class mason flip off the grand master and loudly proclaim 'kiss my fat ass' during the middle of a ritual?

They choose to give up a portion of their free will for the benefit of the 'order'.

Therefore they are fixed within themselves.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

Sure he can. He would probably be voted out, but he still can do it if he wishes.

Same thing with most organizations though. Say something like that to a boss, a teacher, a judge, etc. That is not something that would be singular to masons.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

Sure. Sure. And if he then decides to reveal every secret he knows...what then?

Would they seek to punish him?

You see what I am getting at. It's not order. It's control. It's rewards and punishments.

It's training people to avoid viewing every act as their last battle. It fly's in the face of the very nature of intent.

It is voluntarily surrendering one's intent to the collective intent of the order...an intent that your not allowed to know until you've reached the highest levels...and at that point dedicated your life to it.

That is not spiritual impeccability. Impeccability is treating every act as if it is your last battle on earth...therefore the results don't really matter because you won't be around to see them.

So, in my view, they are directly at odds with my view of spiritual growth.
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