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Resister User ID: 669410 United States 09/07/2012 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nothing the UN does is going to end US gun ownership and if the criminals in DC violate that aspect of the constitution that badly, either all hell will break loose or the new treaty will be applied like the speed limit laws that nobody pays attention to either. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once more for the slow learners! ................ Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522 THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO SHIT TO US ! Doesn't stop them from continually hacking away at our few remaining liberties. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17478519 United States 09/07/2012 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the article states, it still requires ratification by the Senate, and to do that, you need a two thirds majority. With 47 GOP senators (not to mention a handful of Dems in rural states), its not going to happen anytime soon. In fact, according to the NRA, 58 Senators have signed a statement to the administration that they will oppose any treaty that limits civilian firearms ownership. This treaty has no chance of ratification. |
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TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the article states, it still requires ratification by the Senate, and to do that, you need a two thirds majority. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17478519 With 47 GOP senators (not to mention a handful of Dems in rural states), its not going to happen anytime soon. In fact, according to the NRA, 58 Senators have signed a statement to the administration that they will oppose any treaty that limits civilian firearms ownership. This treaty has no chance of ratification. I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time. I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent? Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Suggest and Pin! This UN conference ends TODAY and could threaten our 2nd Amendment. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17478519 United States 09/07/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time. Quoting: TechRaider I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent? I've heard similar, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. There are several problems with it. One, why are they trying this with other agreements like Kyoto and the Law of the Sea treaty? If it were that easy, they could. Second, Reid would have to contend with 13 Democrat senators who've also signed letters in strict opposition, as well as his home state voters who would strongly oppose it. Third, the Dems are likely to lose their majority this year. Nah, I'm not overly concerned about this one. |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time. Quoting: TechRaider I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent? I've heard similar, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. There are several problems with it. One, why are they trying this with other agreements like Kyoto and the Law of the Sea treaty? If it were that easy, they could. Second, Reid would have to contend with 13 Democrat senators who've also signed letters in strict opposition, as well as his home state voters who would strongly oppose it. Third, the Dems are likely to lose their majority this year. Nah, I'm not overly concerned about this one. Hope you're right! Reid can block anything from coming to the floor for a vote, especially if it would go against the administration. At his age being end of the road, he may not care what Nevadans oppose or any other Americans. Think Obamacare. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1513486 United States 09/07/2012 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nothing the UN does is going to end US gun ownership and if the criminals in DC violate that aspect of the constitution that badly, either all hell will break loose or the new treaty will be applied like the speed limit laws that nobody pays attention to either. Quoting: Resister the storm from this will be his undoing... |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If someone catches the UN release today stating the outcome, please post immediately. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From UN website: (snip] [link to www.un.org] Small Arms Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists - they can all multiply their force through the use of unlawfully acquired firepower. The illicit circulation of small arms, light weapons and their ammunition destabilizes communities, and impacts security and development in all regions of the world. Programme of Action Implementation Support System: PoA-ISS Website of the 2012 Review Conference on the Progress of the PoA UN Meetings on small arms Secretary-General's report on small arms (2011) Secretary-General's report on small arms (2008) A worldwide scourge The illicit trade in small arms, light weapons and ammunition wreaks havoc everywhere. Mobs terrorizing a neighbourhood. Rebels attacking civilians or peacekeepers. Drug lords randomly killing law enforcers or anyone else interfering with their illegal businesses. Bandits hijacking humanitarian aid convoys. In all continents, uncontrolled small arms form a persisting problem. Weapons of choice Small arms are cheap, light, and easy to handle, transport and conceal. A build-up of small arms alone may not create the conflicts in which they are used, but their excessive accumulation and wide availability aggravates the tension. The violence becomes more lethal and lasts longer, and a sense of insecurity grows, which in turn lead to a greater demand for weapons. Most present-day conflicts are fought mainly with small arms, which are broadly used in inter-State conflict. They are the weapons of choice in civil wars and for terrorism, organized crime and gang warfare. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COMBATTING THE ILLICIT TRADE IN SMALL ARMS The Programme of Action on Small Arms recommended starting negotiations on a separate instrument on tracing illicit small arms. In 2005, the International Tracing Instrument (ITI) was adopted by the UN General Assembly. If weapons can be traced back to their last legal owner, they need to have been marked, and a record should be kept. In the ITI, governments have committed to do just that. International Tracing Instrument [link to www.poa-iss.org] Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Marking and tracing If national law enforcement officials were able to trace small arms back to their last legitimate owner, who might then be held accountable, this would form an effective measure against illicit trade and diversion. For that purpose, it is essential that the weapon be marked upon production and import, and that appropriate records be kept. Existing stocks should also be marked. Although many weapons are marked upon production and import, international cooperation in marking and tracing of small arms is in its infancy. [link to www.un.org] Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [snip] 7. To put in place, where they do not exist, adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the production of small arms and light weapons within their areas of jurisdiction and over the export, import, transit or retransfer of such weapons, including by strengthening the national system of export and import licensing and authorization, in order to prevent illegal manufacture of and illicit trafficking in small arms and light weapons, including their diversion to unauthorized recipients. Here is the Document! Revised draft outcome document (CRP3 rev.2: Sep 7) [link to www.poa-iss.org] Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
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TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 18. We renew our pledge to rid the world of the scourge brought upon it by the illicit manufacture, transfer and circulation of small arms and light weapons and their excessive accumulation and uncontrolled spread in many parts of the world. We commit to mobilizing the necessary political will and resources to implement the Programme of Action and the International Tracing Instrument. Taking into account national and regional circumstances, we aim to achieve clear and tangible results over the next six years that will improve the security, safety and livelihoods of our people by undertaking the measures in the accompanying implementation plans. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Illicit Trade, to the UN= Unregistered A. Preventing, combating and eradicating the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects at the national level In implementing the Programme of Action at the national level, States, where they have not yet done so, undertake: 1. To reaffirm the undertakings made in the Programme of Action at the national level, including those contained in section II, paragraph 15. 2. To support the development and implementation of adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, including diversion of small arms and light weapons to unauthorized recipients. 3. To establish or strengthen, as appropriate, national coordination mechanisms to improve coordination among governmental agencies, in particular among law enforcement, national border control and customs agencies, and arms transfer licensing authorities, to implement the Programme of Action. This should include aspects of the illicit manufacture, control, trafficking, circulation, brokering and trade, as well as tracing, finance, collection and destruction of small arms and light weapons. 4. To establish, designate or strengthen, as appropriate, a national point of contact to act as liaison between States on matters relating to the implementation of the Programme of Action and to share and update this information regularly. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Katrina? 8. To implement effective disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes, particularly in post-conflict situations, including peace agreements and peacekeeping operations. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOMEN??? 10. To facilitate the participation and representation of women in small arms policymaking, taking into account relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, and to explore means to eliminate the negative impact of the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons on women. How about the positive impact of small arms on women to protect themselves? Sorry no participation and representation! Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1421478 United States 09/07/2012 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gun-tards continuing to whine about their precious weapons and how they will defend their god given right to keep and bear arms...all those who possess firearms will be prevented from holding jobs, collecting any federal or state benefits and other assorted measures to drive home the message that seems to escape the gun-tards. You always say that we can have your weapons when we pry your cold, dead fingers off of said weapon. Its time to put that belief system to the test. Quoting: Obama Reelection Team 23291827 It will be grand to join the neo-Einsatzgruppen and dispatch you to hell, Commie. |
TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gun-tards continuing to whine about their precious weapons and how they will defend their god given right to keep and bear arms...all those who possess firearms will be prevented from holding jobs, collecting any federal or state benefits and other assorted measures to drive home the message that seems to escape the gun-tards. You always say that we can have your weapons when we pry your cold, dead fingers off of said weapon. Its time to put that belief system to the test. Quoting: Obama Reelection Team 23291827 This? To address the special needs of guntards affected by armed conflict, in particular the reunification with their family, their reintegration into civil society, and their appropriate rehabilitation. II.A.11 Last Edited by Hard Eight on 09/07/2012 01:07 PM Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
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TechRaider (OP) User ID: 8668963 United States 09/07/2012 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To encourage subregional and regional organizations, including the United Nations regional centres for peace and disarmament, to assist States, upon request, in building national capacity to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, including through enhanced cooperation and the exchange of information and good practices. II.B.17 Humm. Sounds familiar Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19206781 United States 09/07/2012 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have an idea lets get all the skin heads, kkk members, gang members, militias and every gun toting MF together start a website for all to join. To let the government know go ahead and try it. They think America came together after 9/11 they haven't see shit yet. Try to take our guns and see what happens. They would get their WW3 alright. |