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Breaking Today!!! - U.N. Treaty Could End U.S. Gun Ownership/International Registration

 
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The Second Review Conference of the UN Programme of Action (PoA) to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects, is due to run from 27th August to 7th September at UN Headquarters in New York.

More than a decade has passed since the adoption of the PoA in 2001, which has laid the foundation for action at the national, regional and global levels. [link to www.iansa.org]

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, on behalf of the Obama Administration has redesigned the old football end around play. Built on deception while the other team (citizens) look the other way a United Nations treaty is under consideration that if passed would ultimately end private ownership of firearms. Unlike laws that can be changed, treaties are essentially irreversible.
The U.N. met in July to consider the treaty. Disguised as the “International Arms Control Treaty” and advertised to fight terrorism, insurgency, and international crime. At this time the wording of the treaty has been kept under wraps and not released for review. Previous versions of the treaty would lead one to expect something similar and likely will include: A) Tougher licensing requirements just to own a firearm. B) An International gun registry. C) Ban trade, sale and ownership of any semiautomatic firearm. D) Confiscate and destroy all civilian firearms deemed as “unauthorized.”
Treaties only need to be ratified by the U.S. Senate. Unfortunately with the political make-up of the Senate at present, this vote could be the end of private ownership of firearms in the United States.
[link to www.lohud.com]

Once the ATT is signed and ratified our own government, under the supervision of the thugs of the United Nations, will start to "regulate" and, soon thereafter, start to "confiscate." Don't take our word for it. Former UN ambassador John Bolton, says that the UN "is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control."
[link to www.gopusa.com]

LINK TO THE .pdf
[link to www.poa-iss.org]

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Come and take them. Time to get the party started!
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Once more for the slow learners! ................


THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO SHIT TO US !
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Nothing the UN does is going to end US gun ownership and if the criminals in DC violate that aspect of the constitution that badly, either all hell will break loose or the new treaty will be applied like the speed limit laws that nobody pays attention to either.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Not going to happen...
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan.
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Once more for the slow learners! ................


THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO SHIT TO US !
 Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522


Doesn't stop them from continually hacking away at our few remaining liberties.
Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
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As the article states, it still requires ratification by the Senate, and to do that, you need a two thirds majority.

With 47 GOP senators (not to mention a handful of Dems in rural states), its not going to happen anytime soon. In fact, according to the NRA, 58 Senators have signed a statement to the administration that they will oppose any treaty that limits civilian firearms ownership.

This treaty has no chance of ratification.
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Let them try, Then see how many of their people come up with lead poisoning
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Not going to happen...
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I agree. What a stupid move that would be...
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As the article states, it still requires ratification by the Senate, and to do that, you need a two thirds majority.

With 47 GOP senators (not to mention a handful of Dems in rural states), its not going to happen anytime soon. In fact, according to the NRA, 58 Senators have signed a statement to the administration that they will oppose any treaty that limits civilian firearms ownership.

This treaty has no chance of ratification.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17478519


I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time.
I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent?
Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
Thomas Jefferson

If you don't read the newspaper   
you are uninformed, if you do   
read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
and keys to teenage boys.   
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Suggest bump and Pin! This UN conference ends TODAY and could threaten our 2nd Amendment.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
Thomas Jefferson

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read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
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I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time.
I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent?
 Quoting: TechRaider


I've heard similar, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. There are several problems with it. One, why are they trying this with other agreements like Kyoto and the Law of the Sea treaty? If it were that easy, they could. Second, Reid would have to contend with 13 Democrat senators who've also signed letters in strict opposition, as well as his home state voters who would strongly oppose it. Third, the Dems are likely to lose their majority this year.

Nah, I'm not overly concerned about this one.
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I read that POTUS has discretion to enforce treaty provisions pending Senate approval and this has been done in the past. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could sit on the treaty, and POTUS could enact through EO or other schemes. Don't think it would be the first time.
I don't trust the SOB's. Camel's nose under the tent?
 Quoting: TechRaider


I've heard similar, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. There are several problems with it. One, why are they trying this with other agreements like Kyoto and the Law of the Sea treaty? If it were that easy, they could. Second, Reid would have to contend with 13 Democrat senators who've also signed letters in strict opposition, as well as his home state voters who would strongly oppose it. Third, the Dems are likely to lose their majority this year.

Nah, I'm not overly concerned about this one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17478519


Hope you're right! Reid can block anything from coming to the floor for a vote, especially if it would go against the administration. At his age being end of the road, he may not care what Nevadans oppose or any other Americans. Think Obamacare.
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misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
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Nothing the UN does is going to end US gun ownership and if the criminals in DC violate that aspect of the constitution that badly, either all hell will break loose or the new treaty will be applied like the speed limit laws that nobody pays attention to either.
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the storm from this will be his undoing...
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If someone catches the UN release today stating the outcome, please post immediately.
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From UN website:

(snip] [link to www.un.org]

Small Arms

Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists - they can all multiply their force through the use of unlawfully acquired firepower. The illicit circulation of small arms, light weapons and their ammunition destabilizes communities, and impacts security and development in all regions of the world.

Programme of Action Implementation Support System: PoA-ISS

Website of the 2012 Review Conference on the Progress of the PoA

UN Meetings on small arms

Secretary-General's report on small arms (2011)

Secretary-General's report on small arms (2008)
A worldwide scourge

The illicit trade in small arms, light weapons and ammunition wreaks havoc everywhere. Mobs terrorizing a neighbourhood. Rebels attacking civilians or peacekeepers. Drug lords randomly killing law enforcers or anyone else interfering with their illegal businesses. Bandits hijacking humanitarian aid convoys. In all continents, uncontrolled small arms form a persisting problem.
Weapons of choice

Small arms are cheap, light, and easy to handle, transport and conceal. A build-up of small arms alone may not create the conflicts in which they are used, but their excessive accumulation and wide availability aggravates the tension. The violence becomes more lethal and lasts longer, and a sense of insecurity grows, which in turn lead to a greater demand for weapons.

Most present-day conflicts are fought mainly with small arms, which are broadly used in inter-State conflict. They are the weapons of choice in civil wars and for terrorism, organized crime and gang warfare.
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read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
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COMBATTING THE ILLICIT TRADE IN SMALL ARMS

The Programme of Action on Small Arms recommended starting negotiations on a separate instrument on tracing illicit small arms. In 2005, the International Tracing Instrument (ITI) was adopted by the UN General Assembly.
If weapons can be traced back to their last legal owner, they need to have been marked, and a record should be kept. In the ITI, governments have committed to do just that.
International Tracing Instrument

[link to www.poa-iss.org]
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read the newspaper you are   
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Marking and tracing

If national law enforcement officials were able to trace small arms back to their last legitimate owner, who might then be held accountable, this would form an effective measure against illicit trade and diversion. For that purpose, it is essential that the weapon be marked upon production and import, and that appropriate records be kept. Existing stocks should also be marked. Although many weapons are marked upon production and import, international cooperation in marking and tracing of small arms is in its infancy.
[link to www.un.org]
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read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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[snip]

7. To put in place, where they do not exist, adequate laws, regulations and
administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the production of small arms
and light weapons within their areas of jurisdiction and over the export, import, transit or
retransfer of such weapons, including by strengthening the national system of export and
import licensing and authorization,
in order to prevent illegal manufacture of and illicit
trafficking in small arms and light weapons, including their diversion to unauthorized
recipients.

Here is the Document!

Revised draft outcome document (CRP3 rev.2: Sep 7)

[link to www.poa-iss.org]
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I wonder how many millions of loaded shotguns sit next to the bed at night. No more rack the slide, those days are over. Everyone I know keeps a round chambered.
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18. We renew our pledge to rid the world of the scourge brought upon it by the illicit
manufacture, transfer and circulation of small arms and light weapons and their excessive
accumulation and uncontrolled spread in many parts of the world. We commit to
mobilizing the necessary political will and resources to implement the Programme of
Action and the International Tracing Instrument.
Taking into account national and
regional circumstances, we aim to achieve clear and tangible results over the next six
years that will improve the security, safety and livelihoods of our people by undertaking
the measures in the accompanying implementation plans.
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Illicit Trade, to the UN= Unregistered


A. Preventing, combating and eradicating the illicit trade in small arms and
light weapons in all its aspects at the national level
In implementing the Programme of Action at the national level, States, where they have
not yet done so,
undertake:
1. To reaffirm the undertakings made in the Programme of Action at the national
level, including those contained in section II, paragraph 15.
2. To support the development and implementation of adequate laws, regulations
and administrative procedures to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small
arms and light weapons in all its aspects, including diversion of small arms and light
weapons to unauthorized recipients.

3. To establish or strengthen, as appropriate, national coordination mechanisms to
improve coordination among governmental agencies, in particular among law
enforcement, national border control and customs agencies, and arms transfer licensing
authorities, to implement the Programme of Action. This should include aspects of the illicit manufacture, control, trafficking, circulation, brokering and trade, as well as
tracing, finance, collection and destruction of small arms and light weapons.

4. To establish, designate or strengthen, as appropriate, a national point of contact to
act as liaison between States on matters relating to the implementation of the Programme
of Action and to share and update this information regularly.
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Katrina?

8. To implement effective disarmament, demobilization and reintegration
programmes, particularly in post-conflict situations, including peace agreements and
peacekeeping operations.
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read the newspaper you are   
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WOMEN???


10. To facilitate the participation and representation of women in small arms
policymaking, taking into account relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the
General Assembly, and to explore means to eliminate the negative impact of the illicit
trade in small arms and light weapons on women.


How about the positive impact of small arms on women to protect themselves? Sorry no participation and representation!
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Gun-tards continuing to whine about their precious weapons and how they will defend their god given right to keep and bear arms...all those who possess firearms will be prevented from holding jobs, collecting any federal or state benefits and other assorted measures to drive home the message that seems to escape the gun-tards. You always say that we can have your weapons when we pry your cold, dead fingers off of said weapon. Its time to put that belief system to the test.
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Gun-tards continuing to whine about their precious weapons and how they will defend their god given right to keep and bear arms...all those who possess firearms will be prevented from holding jobs, collecting any federal or state benefits and other assorted measures to drive home the message that seems to escape the gun-tards. You always say that we can have your weapons when we pry your cold, dead fingers off of said weapon. Its time to put that belief system to the test.
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It will be grand to join the neo-Einsatzgruppen and dispatch you to hell, Commie.
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Gun-tards continuing to whine about their precious weapons and how they will defend their god given right to keep and bear arms...all those who possess firearms will be prevented from holding jobs, collecting any federal or state benefits and other assorted measures to drive home the message that seems to escape the gun-tards. You always say that we can have your weapons when we pry your cold, dead fingers off of said weapon. Its time to put that belief system to the test.
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This?
To address the special needs of guntards affected by armed conflict, in particular the reunification with their family, their reintegration into civil society, and their
appropriate rehabilitation.

II.A.11

Last Edited by Hard Eight on 09/07/2012 01:07 PM
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Once more for the slow learners! ................


THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO SHIT TO US !
 Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522


The Russians and Chinese are already here and are prepped to do this, they have more than enough.
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To encourage subregional and regional organizations, including the United
Nations regional centres for peace and disarmament, to assist States, upon request, in
building national capacity to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms
and light weapons
in all its aspects, including through enhanced cooperation and the
exchange of information and good practices. II.B.17

Humm. Sounds familiar
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government is like giving whiskey   
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I have an idea lets get all the skin heads, kkk members, gang members, militias and every gun toting MF together start a website for all to join. To let the government know go ahead and try it. They think America came together after 9/11 they haven't see shit yet. Try to take our guns and see what happens. They would get their WW3 alright.





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